Was Greg Maddux the most over achieving pitcher in history?

[stockhome]

yea testing.....

lol no

 

[Harry Dresden]

lol no

lol...yes...

 

[stockhome]

lol...yes...

Naive

 

[leftwinger]

Balls moving ("spinners" w/o pitchers blowing out their elbow) are tough to time, locate and hit hard. Looks high and away buttons across the outside black.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Naive

yes you are....

 

[stockhome]

yes you are....

About what?

 

[Harry Dresden]

About what?

oh here we go the stupid game....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[sealybobo]

He never had great stuff, nothing overpowering. He could nail his spot and his mental strategy within the game and meta-game was basically unrivaled as pitchers go.

It's amazing that those Braves teams in the 1990s with all of their success and the most dominant pitching staff for years only won a single WS in the 1990s.

Here are his career stats, for a guy who topped out in the low 90s.

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I wanted so badly to agree with you but then I found this

Maddux was the first pitcher in MLB history to win the Cy Young Award four consecutive years (1992–1995), matched by only one other pitcher, Randy Johnson. During those four seasons, Maddux had a 75–29 record with a 1.98 earned run average (ERA), while allowing fewer than one baserunner per inning.

Widely regarded as one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history, Maddux is the only pitcher in MLB history to win at least 15 games for 17 straight seasons. He also holds the record for most Gold Gloves by any player with 18, and most putouts by a pitcher with 546, including a tied live-ball-era record of 39 putouts in a season (1990, 1991, 1993). A superb control pitcher, Maddux won more games during the 1990s than any other pitcher and is 8th on the all-time career wins list with 355.

He is one of only ten pitchers ever to achieve both 300 wins and 3,000 strikeouts, and is the only pitcher to record more than 300 wins, more than 3,000 strikeouts, and fewer than 1,000 walks

I hated him and

John Smoltz​

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Smoltz

Or was it Tom Glavin or Steve Avery? Atlanta had a lot of great pitchers back then.​

 

[sealybobo]

Balls moving ("spinners" w/o pitchers blowing out their elbow) are tough to time, locate and hit hard. Looks high and away buttons across the outside black.

I could never throw a curve but my fast pitched moved. Not sure how or why. And I was a lefty. Does that hurt right handers batters or help them?

 

[Meathead]

He never had great stuff, nothing overpowering. He could nail his spot and his mental strategy within the game and meta-game was basically unrivaled as pitchers go.

It's amazing that those Braves teams in the 1990s with all of their success and the most dominant pitching staff for years only won a single WS in the 1990s.

Here are his career stats, for a guy who topped out in the low 90s.

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Control is 90% of pitching.

 

[sealybobo]

Control is 90% of pitching.

I never had it in pitching. Wild.

But dick control? I have that. Can hold out till she finishes.

 

[Oddball]

Yes. But damn was I lucky that he played for my Braves.

There was a quote I heard him come up with:

"Hitters don't hit home runs, pitchers throw them."

I admire the f**k out of that quote. He was the ultimate finesse pitcher.

Boy isn't that the truth.

How many closers have thrown the ball 100 mph and been complete failures, because the ball had no movement on it?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Boy isn't that the truth.

How many closers have thrown the ball 100 mph and been complete failures, because the ball had no movement on it?

Speed is one thing. Speed with movement is another.

Change speeds. Even if your stuff isn't fast.

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