Warmest March on record

[CrusaderFrank]

I'd like you to acknowledge that the question has been already answered, but honesty isn't usually the deniers' forte. Showing that CO2 traps radiation is a SIMPLE lab experiment. It's already been done millions of times. More CO2 means more trapped radiation. What more do you need???

But your hypothesis is that de minimus increases in CO2 causes cataclysmic effect on climate, show me one time how this is supposed to happen, show me on lab experiment where you increase the CO2 to 450PPM and cause a measurable increases in temperature as you allege.

You can't!

Because the additional CO2 is an EFFECT and not a CAUSE of warming, that's why Warmers continue to ignore the request.

 

[gslack]

Was the earth's global temperature steady for billions of years, then we pollute for 100 years and it increases?
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No it wasn't, but that's irrelevant. We're concerned about the climate under which humans evolved, relatively cool compared to some earlier times, and would like to keep it that way. Sure the earth will survive and go back to its own ways regardless, but WILL WE? Increased gases trap more solar radiation. More radiation means more heat. The concern of AGW believers is that the ADDED gases that are the result of man will upset the balance under which humans have thrived.

If you are not mature enough to quote people correctly, why should anyone respond to you? Dude I am asking you once more to stop acting like an annoying child and use the dam quote feature...

 

[gslack]

I'd like you to acknowledge that the question has been already answered, but honesty isn't usually the deniers' forte. Showing that CO2 traps radiation is a SIMPLE lab experiment. It's already been done millions of times. More CO2 means more trapped radiation. What more do you need???

I would like you to stop being a little twerp and use the quote feature like a big boy now......

You have the nerve to call others liars after the display by your pal... Any comment on that? Oh thats right honesty isn't part of your forte is it....

You come crying every time someone questions his posts, but suddenly you ignore it... Why is that? Why the hell aren't you defending the algorian this time? Why you haven't even mentioned any of it just kept right rambling trying to change the direction of the thread.....

Well tough I refuse to let this one go..... He was busted flat-out and undeniably lying with no excuse for it. He can't make a semantic little BS excuse this time, he is busted... And you can try to misdirect, confound, or divert to your hearts content. I will just re-post the evidence accordingly...

 

[konradv]

But your hypothesis is that de minimus increases in CO2 causes cataclysmic effect on climate,
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Hardly "de minimus", humans put out much more CO2 in a year than something like volcanic activity. Plus, a small rise in temp due to CO2 can lead to melting and release of even more gas like we're seeing with methane in Siberia.

“Methane Hydrate is 23 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than C02 and represents an unimaginable 10% of the entire biomass of the planet. Much of it buried in the frozen Tundra of Alaska and the Artic lakes region of Siberia, which by itself contains an estimated 70 billion tons of methane. There are countless more giga tons of methane located in the shallow seas around the world like in the Gulf of Mexico and off the coast of Calif. and Louisiana just waiting for warmer temperatures to melt the lattice ice crystals that holds the methane molecules safely in place. Once released, if the disassociation is large enough, it will have an immediate impact on temperature sending it soaring another 3 to 10 degrees higher than the scientists are predicting.

Lost Opportunities at Copenhagen, Life at 3.6 Degrees Warmer

 

[gslack]

But your hypothesis is that de minimus increases in CO2 causes cataclysmic effect on climate,
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Hardly "de minimus", humans put out much more CO2 in a year than something like volcanic activity. Plus, a small rise in temp due to CO2 can lead to melting and release of even more gas like we're seeing with methane in Siberia.

“Methane Hydrate is 23 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than C02 and represents an unimaginable 10% of the entire biomass of the planet. Much of it buried in the frozen Tundra of Alaska and the Artic lakes region of Siberia, which by itself contains an estimated 70 billion tons of methane. There are countless more giga tons of methane located in the shallow seas around the world like in the Gulf of Mexico and off the coast of Calif. and Louisiana just waiting for warmer temperatures to melt the lattice ice crystals that holds the methane molecules safely in place. Once released, if the disassociation is large enough, it will have an immediate impact on temperature sending it soaring another 3 to 10 degrees higher than the scientists are predicting.

Lost Opportunities at Copenhagen, Life at 3.6 Degrees Warmer

Stop changing the point. You made CO2 the point, now defend it before you go and switch to methane. And quote people right ....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

But your hypothesis is that de minimus increases in CO2 causes cataclysmic effect on climate,
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Hardly "de minimus", humans put out much more CO2 in a year than something like volcanic activity. Plus, a small rise in temp due to CO2 can lead to melting and release of even more gas like we're seeing with methane in Siberia.

“Methane Hydrate is 23 times more powerful a greenhouse gas than C02 and represents an unimaginable 10% of the entire biomass of the planet. Much of it buried in the frozen Tundra of Alaska and the Artic lakes region of Siberia, which by itself contains an estimated 70 billion tons of methane. There are countless more giga tons of methane located in the shallow seas around the world like in the Gulf of Mexico and off the coast of Calif. and Louisiana just waiting for warmer temperatures to melt the lattice ice crystals that holds the methane molecules safely in place. Once released, if the disassociation is large enough, it will have an immediate impact on temperature sending it soaring another 3 to 10 degrees higher than the scientists are predicting.

Lost Opportunities at Copenhagen, Life at 3.6 Degrees Warmer

Doc, 250 part per MILLION is a de minimus increase.

In the study you love to site from the mid 1800's they measures in part per ten thousand.

I know you Warmers are full of crap because if you could repeat the effects in a lab I'd never hear the end of it. But since you cannot repeat it you cart out something not at all on point from Civil War days.

Also, you're boring me

 

[gslack]

What about prior to 1880? We have 130 years of temperature records to attempt to prove man-made global warming; but what about the 4.5 billion year life span of our planet? Was the earth's global temperature steady for billions of years, then we pollute for 100 years and it increases?

Layers of snowfall extracted from the arctic provided excellent data for temperature records and CO2 levels over the past 400-500,000 years. They concluded that, during this time, the earth had experienced approximately a dozen warming periods as well as a dozen cooling periods. Strange, considering SUV's, private jets and evil corporations were non-existent then. There is a major difference between global warming and "man-made" global warming. Our global temperature varies. But, it is natural.

Strange that you are so damned ignorant.

The ice core record, from the Antarctic, go back accurately, about 650,000 years. There are cores being studied right now that will extend this a bit further. However, at no time in that period has the CO2 been above 300 ppm, nor CH4 above 1000 ppb. We are above 385 ppm of CO2 right now, with 1800 ppb of CH4. On top of that we have introduced many millions of tons of industrial GHGs, some of which are 10,000 to 20,000 times as effective GHGs as CO2.

We are past the equivelant of 450 ppm of CO2.

Science: CO2 levels haven’t been this high for 15 million years, when it was 5° to 10°F warmer and seas were 75 to 120 feet higher — “We have shown that this dramatic rise in sea level is associated with an increase in CO2 levels

You would have to go back at least 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels on Earth as high as they are today, a UCLA scientist and colleagues report Oct. 8 in the online edition of the journal Science.

“The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today — and were sustained at those levels — global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland,” said the paper’s lead author, Aradhna Tripati, a UCLA assistant professor in the department of Earth and space sciences and the department of atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

OMG!!!!!

Dude twice now in as many days you have been caught red-handed lying about what an article you link to states...... DO you have any excuse at all for this?

Above you said this, either in regards to the article claims or you just wanted to make crap up.....

"We are past the equivelant of 450 ppm of CO2."

Your words... Correct??? Of ocurse they are we can see that just above and in the post in question. You said that and that was your claim....

The article YOU linked to as reference or to give weight to your claim.

Science: CO2 levels haven’t been this high for 15 million years, when it was 5° to 10°F warmer and seas were 75 to 120 feet higher — “We have shown that this dramatic rise in sea level is associated with an increase in CO2 levels

The article says a lot of things and after reading it carefully I found the only mention of that 450 ppm to be here in this statement....

"So we need to keep atmospheric concentrations of CO2 as low as possible — and if we do go above 450 ppm, we need to get back to under 350 ppm as rapidly as possible, preferably by century’s end, though that would be no easy feat."

WTF man? You going to outright lie like that you shameless pig???

The only real reference to today's actual ppm was much later when they said this....

“A slightly shocking finding,” Tripati said, “is that the only time in the last 20 million years that we find evidence for carbon dioxide levels similar to the modern level of 387 parts per million was 15 to 20 million years ago, when the planet was dramatically different.”

Now you lowlife lying little hack! You are a proven and documented liar and completely unethical POS.... YOU deliberately lied again just like before over the qualifications of the AMS certification.

You are going to be remembered by me for this instance for as long as I am a member here. Twice I have caught you lying intentionally to push your BS agenda on people..... Good day to you sir....

* sorry if this is considered spamming but I am going to re-post this to force old socks to respond to it....

 

[Dr Gregg]

Gsuck doesn't know shit about science, so don't even bother. He doesn't think anything has to be supported by scientific data, just spout bullshit on the internet, and that makes it so

 

[gslack]

Gsuck doesn't know shit about science, so don't even bother. He doesn't think anything has to be supported by scientific data, just spout bullshit on the internet, and that makes it so

And you were caught lying too.... So what's that tell us? Two of you sharing the same belief in AGW are known and documented liars... Coincidence? Or a sample of the greater whole?

 

[Skull Pilot]

AWESOME!!!

I've had my heat turned off for weeks.

 

[westwall]

To all the warmists who will never ever believe anyone who disagrees with their preconcieved notions i offer you these words from your very own guru's.

Dr. Pachauri head of the IPCC said on November 23, 2009: "The question is whether the additional time that the world would now have to arrive at an agreement at the next Conference of the Parties in Mexico will give us time and space to look at the larger problem of unsustainable development, of which climate change is at best a symptom. Human society cannot continue to ignore the vital dependence that exists between human welfare and the health of our natural resources."

Peter Tatchell of the UK's Green Party said....'There exists a more serious crisis than the 'CO2 crisis': the oxygen levels are dropping and the human activity has decreased them by 1/3 or ½ - By Peter Tatchell of the UK Green party - UK Guardian - August 13, 2008

Then of course there is the "Nitrogen" problem..... Laughing Gas Knocks Out CO2 - By Doug Hoffman - Oct. 30, 2009 - Excerpt: "In the face of ever mounting evidence that CO2 is incapable of causing the level of global devastation prophesied by climate change catastrophists a new villain is being sought. The leading candidate is nitrous oxide (N2O), better known as laughing gas. A report in Science claims that N2O emissions are currently the single most important cause of ozone depletion and are expected to remain so throughout the 21st century. The IPCC rates N2O as 310 times as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2 on a 100 year time scale. Is this a greenhouse gas bait and switch, or are the global warming alarmists trying to up the ante."

So you see even your own side is turning against the dogma. Why? Becaue they realize that the argument is lost. No one who has a brain and is capable of logical thought believes the BS anymore.
So... to continue to make their money (which is in the end what this is all about) they have to foment another crisis.

Even The Rolling Stone has an excellent article by Matt Taibbi titled “The Great American Bubble Machine” with a subtitle of “From tech stocks to high gas prices, Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression.” His take on Gore and company is particularly telling.... The global warming scam passed by Congress last week. Goldman Sachs is in the middle of it, as usual-- a potential trillion dollar sure thing. He also whacks Former Vice President Al Gore who will profit from the cap-and-trade plan through his company, Generation Investment Management,-- Gore is joined by three former Goldman Sachs heads in their carbon offsets business.

So there you go. Your own folks turning traitor on you. Maybe they have actually read some of the crap that Jones, Mann, Hansen, and the rest of the AGW fraudsters have been pushing and decided they had had enough.

 

[Big Fitz]

Had to start my AC last week. In MN.

 

[westwall]

And I had three inches of snow in Nevada TODAY! What do either have to do with anything?

Had to start my AC last week. In MN.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The science clearly shows that CO2 increases are an effect, not a cause, of Global Warming

 

[konradv]

The science clearly shows that CO2 absorbs infra-red radiation. More CO2, more trapped energy. Where's it going, if not to heat the earth? If warming is actually creating more CO2, that would be a positive feedback loop. Hardly something for the deniers to crow about as it PROVES they've had their heads up their ...es!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The science clearly shows that CO2 absorbs infra-red radiation. More CO2, more trapped energy. Where's it going, if not to heat the earth? If warming is actually creating more CO2, that would be a positive feedback loop. Hardly something for the deniers to crow about as it PROVES they've had their heads up their ...es!!!

Can you demonstrate your hypothesis in a Laboratory Setting?

Can you show any discernible difference in temperature across tanks containing varying CO2 amounts from 280PPM up to 600PPM?

Can ya do that one single time?

 

[gslack]

The science clearly shows that CO2 absorbs infra-red radiation. More CO2, more trapped energy. Where's it going, if not to heat the earth? If warming is actually creating more CO2, that would be a positive feedback loop. Hardly something for the deniers to crow about as it PROVES they've had their heads up their ...es!!!

Oh good the parrot is here.... look Mr. Self-proclaimed lab assistant/expert on climate science, don't try oversimplification ploy... its ignorant and shows your aptitude.

We are talking on the scale your side tries to claim. The fact CO2 is a greenhouse gas or can trap some radiation is not the same as claiming a substance making up 0.0387 estimated percentage of our atmosphere can bring about the kind of warming levels they claim.

Thats the difference, and a lab assistant should be able to comprehend that...

 

[froggy]

Its the most mixed up weather also.

 

[Big Fitz]

The science clearly shows that CO2 absorbs infra-red radiation. More CO2, more trapped energy. Where's it going, if not to heat the earth? If warming is actually creating more CO2, that would be a positive feedback loop. Hardly something for the deniers to crow about as it PROVES they've had their heads up their ...es!!!

About as intelligent as saying, you know... the one factor in all cases of divorce is marriage. If we would ONLY find a way to ban marriage there'd be no more divorce!

BRILLIANT!

And yes, Froggy. I never trust march weather. 2 years ago, it was like January for the middle of the month, but then got back to normal. Wierd stuff happens when the seasons change.

 

[westwall]

I am sorry to tell you this but the actual science does not support this. Below are some papers you can look up that will educate you further on the subject.

R.W. Wood demonstrated that the greenhouse gas effect does not exist and his peer reviewed work was published in 1909 and can be found in the Philosophical magazine (more properly the London, Edinborough and Dublin Philosophical Magazine , 1909, vol 17, p319-320. Cambridge UL shelf mark p340.1.c.95

Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner published a paper in the 2007 International Journal of Modern Physics which (unlike most of the IPCC drivel) was peer reviewed. That article showed that the greenhouse gas effect violated a fundamental law of physics. It was updated in 2009 I believe as the paper "Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 greenhouse effect within the frame of physics"

Dipl-Ing Heinz Thieme also published a report titled "Greenhouse Gas Hypothesis Violates Fundamentals of Physics"

There are plenty of others but that will get you started.

Cheers!

The science clearly shows that CO2 absorbs infra-red radiation. More CO2, more trapped energy. Where's it going, if not to heat the earth? If warming is actually creating more CO2, that would be a positive feedback loop. Hardly something for the deniers to crow about as it PROVES they've had their heads up their ...es!!!