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A 2nd garbage patch: Plastic soup seen in Atlantic



By MIKE MELIA, Associated Press Writer Mike Melia, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 15, 4:35 pm ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Researchers are warning of a new blight at sea: a swirl of confetti-like plastic debris stretching over a remote expanse of the Atlantic Ocean.

The floating garbage — hard to spot from the surface and spun together by a vortex of currents — was documented by two groups of scientists who trawled the sea between scenic Bermuda and Portugal's mid-Atlantic Azores islands.

The studies describe a soup of micro-particles similar to the so-called Great Pacific Garbage Patch, a phenomenon discovered a decade ago between Hawaii and California that researchers say is likely to exist in other places around the globe.

"We found the great Atlantic garbage patch," said Anna Cummins, who collected plastic samples on a sailing voyage in February.

The debris is harmful for fish, sea mammals — and at the top of the food chain, potentially humans — even though much of the plastic has broken into such tiny pieces they are nearly invisible.

Since there is no realistic way of cleaning the oceans, advocates say the key is to keep more plastic out by raising awareness and, wherever possible, challenging a throwaway culture that uses non-biodegradable materials for disposable products.

"Our job now is to let people know that plastic ocean pollution is a global problem — it unfortunately is not confined to a single patch," Cummins said.

The research teams presented their findings in February at the 2010 Oceans Sciences Meeting in Portland, Oregon. While scientists have reported finding plastic in parts of the Atlantic since the 1970s, the researchers say they have taken important steps toward mapping the extent of the pollution.

Cummins and her husband, Marcus Eriksen, of Santa Monica, California, sailed across the Atlantic for their research project. They plan similar studies in the South Atlantic in November and the South Pacific next spring.

On the voyage from Bermuda to the Azores, they crossed the Sargasso Sea, an area bounded by ocean currents including the Gulf Stream. They took samples every 100 miles (160 kilometers) with one interruption caused by a major storm. Each time they pulled up the trawl, it was full of plastic.

A separate study by undergraduates with the Woods Hole, Massachusetts-based Sea Education Association collected more than 6,000 samples on trips between Canada and the Caribbean over two decades. The lead investigator, Kara Lavendar Law, said they found the highest concentrations of plastics between 22 and 38 degrees north latitude, an offshore patch equivalent to the area between roughly Cuba and Washington, D.C.

Long trails of seaweed, mixed with bottles, crates and other flotsam, drift in the still waters of the area, known as the North Atlantic Subtropical Convergence Zone. Cummins' team even netted a Trigger fish trapped alive inside a plastic bucket.

But the most nettlesome trash is nearly invisible: countless specks of plastic, often smaller than pencil erasers, suspended near the surface of the deep blue Atlantic.

"It's shocking to see it firsthand," Cummins said. "Nothing compares to being out there. We've managed to leave our footprint really everywhere."

Still more data are needed to assess the dimensions of the North Atlantic patch.

Charles Moore, an ocean researcher credited with discovering the Pacific garbage patch in 1997, said the Atlantic undoubtedly has comparable amounts of plastic. The east coast of the United States has more people and more rivers to funnel garbage into the sea. But since the Atlantic is stormier, debris there likely is more diffuse, he said.

Whatever the difference between the two regions, plastics are devastating the environment across the world, said Moore, whose Algalita Marine Research Foundation based in Long Beach, California, was among the sponsors for Cummins and Eriksen.

"Humanity's plastic footprint is probably more dangerous than its carbon footprint," he said.

Plastics have entangled birds and turned up in the bellies of fish: A paper cited by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says as many as 100,000 marine mammals could die trash-related deaths each year.

The plastic bits, which can be impossible for fish to distinguish from plankton, are dangerous in part because they sponge up potentially harmful chemicals that are also circulating in the ocean, said Jacqueline Savitz, a marine scientist at Oceana, an ocean conservation group based in Washington.

As much as 80 percent of marine debris comes from land, according to the United Nations Environmental Program.

The U.S. government is concerned the pollution could hurt its vital interests.

"That plastic has the potential to impact our resources and impact our economy," said Lisa DiPinto, acting director of NOAA's marine debris program. "It's great to raise awareness so the public can see the plastics we use can eventually land in the ocean."

DiPinto said the federal agency is co-sponsoring a new voyage this summer by the Sea Education Association to measure plastic pollution southeast of Bermuda. NOAA is also involved in research on the Pacific patch.

"Unfortunately, the kinds of things we use plastic for are the kinds of things we don't dispose of carefully," Savitz said. "We've got to use less of it, and if we're going to use it, we have to make sure we dispose of it well."
 
As much as 80 percent of marine debris comes from land, according to the United Nations Environmental Program.

Well if fish would stop using plastic at least the ocean would be 20% cleaner---it's a start !!
 
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Oops. I see some red font a-coming soon.

Not necessarily.

Maybe tommywho70x is actually Mike Melia from the AP.

nope. my name is really thomas and i hold a B.S. from U Tampa in Marine Biology, so i do have a professional interest of sorts on this subject.

i even have thoughts about cost effective solutions to the problem. i say we should refit all the closed sardine factories with equipment to reprocess the plastics and hire fishing vessels that might be having problems due to depleted stocks and pesky animal lovers to go round up all that trash and turn it back into water bottles so that the swiss (NESTLE) can sucker everybody into paying 5 bucks a gallon for packaged tap water.

being a newbie here, i fail to grok the significance of the red font. would someone care to enlighten me?
 
Oops. I see some red font a-coming soon.

Not necessarily.

Maybe tommywho70x is actually Mike Melia from the AP.

nope. my name is really thomas and i hold a B.S. from U Tampa in Marine Biology, so i do have a professional interest of sorts on this subject.

i even have thoughts about cost effective solutions to the problem. i say we should refit all the closed sardine factories with equipment to reprocess the plastics and hire fishing vessels that might be having problems due to depleted stocks and pesky animal lovers to go round up all that trash and turn it back into water bottles so that the swiss (NESTLE) can sucker everybody into paying 5 bucks a gallon for packaged tap water.

being a newbie here, i fail to grok the significance of the red font. would someone care to enlighten me?

'SOK. There are very few rules here so that's pretty great. But, one should look them over: http://www.usmessageboard.com/announcements-and-feedback/47455-usmb-rules-and-regulations.html

You can edit your OP or eventually a mod will. When they post in an official capacity, they use red font. Otherwise, abuse them as you would any other poster. :)
 
And many still believe that mankind is having and can have no global impact on our planet.
The only place that we are certain that mankind can live.
Plastic has only been in widespread use for how many years?

We are collectively a stupid species.
 
And many still believe that mankind is having and can have no global impact on our planet.
The only place that we are certain that mankind can live.
Plastic has only been in widespread use for how many years?

We are collectively a stupid species.

Where are the people who beleive that mankind is having absolutely NO impact on the planet ? Stretching it ?
 
Oops. I see some red font a-coming soon.

Not necessarily.

Maybe tommywho70x is actually Mike Melia from the AP.

nope. my name is really thomas and i hold a B.S. from U Tampa in Marine Biology, so i do have a professional interest of sorts on this subject.

i even have thoughts about cost effective solutions to the problem. i say we should refit all the closed sardine factories with equipment to reprocess the plastics and hire fishing vessels that might be having problems due to depleted stocks and pesky animal lovers to go round up all that trash and turn it back into water bottles so that the swiss (NESTLE) can sucker everybody into paying 5 bucks a gallon for packaged tap water.

being a newbie here, i fail to grok the significance of the red font. would someone care to enlighten me?

being a newbie here, i fail to grok the significance of the red font. would someone care to enlighten me?

The use of fonts makes you impotent.

Now, about that plastic... Maybe it will benefit sport fishing folks. If you catch a big fish maybe you can save money on having it mounted if it has digested enough plastic. Just catch them and hang them on the wall. Behind every dark cloud is some sunshine. Behind every rainbow is a homosexual.
 
Really big garbage patches in both northern oceans now, waters turning anoxic in places that has not happened before, allmost all fishing stocks seriously depleted, but nothing to worry about. Carry on.
 
A 2nd garbage patch: Plastic soup seen in Atlantic



By MIKE MELIA, Associated Press Writer Mike Melia, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 15, 4:35 pm ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Researchers are warning of a new blight at sea: a swirl of confetti-like plastic debris stretching over a remote expanse of the Atlantic Ocean.

The floating garbage — hard to spot from the surface and spun together by a vortex of currents — was documented by two groups of scientists who trawled the sea between scenic Bermuda and Portugal's mid-Atlantic Azores islands.

The studies describe a soup of micro-particles similar to the so-called Great Pacific Garbage Patch, a phenomenon discovered a decade ago between Hawaii and California that researchers say is likely to exist in other places around the globe.

"We found the great Atlantic garbage patch," said Anna Cummins, who collected plastic samples on a sailing voyage in February.

The debris is harmful for fish, sea mammals — and at the top of the food chain, potentially humans — even though much of the plastic has broken into such tiny pieces they are nearly invisible.

Since there is no realistic way of cleaning the oceans, advocates say the key is to keep more plastic out by raising awareness and, wherever possible, challenging a throwaway culture that uses non-biodegradable materials for disposable products.

"Our job now is to let people know that plastic ocean pollution is a global problem — it unfortunately is not confined to a single patch," Cummins said.

The research teams presented their findings in February at the 2010 Oceans Sciences Meeting in Portland, Oregon. While scientists have reported finding plastic in parts of the Atlantic since the 1970s, the researchers say they have taken important steps toward mapping the extent of the pollution.

Cummins and her husband, Marcus Eriksen, of Santa Monica, California, sailed across the Atlantic for their research project. They plan similar studies in the South Atlantic in November and the South Pacific next spring.

On the voyage from Bermuda to the Azores, they crossed the Sargasso Sea, an area bounded by ocean currents including the Gulf Stream. They took samples every 100 miles (160 kilometers) with one interruption caused by a major storm. Each time they pulled up the trawl, it was full of plastic.

A separate study by undergraduates with the Woods Hole, Massachusetts-based Sea Education Association collected more than 6,000 samples on trips between Canada and the Caribbean over two decades. The lead investigator, Kara Lavendar Law, said they found the highest concentrations of plastics between 22 and 38 degrees north latitude, an offshore patch equivalent to the area between roughly Cuba and Washington, D.C.

Long trails of seaweed, mixed with bottles, crates and other flotsam, drift in the still waters of the area, known as the North Atlantic Subtropical Convergence Zone. Cummins' team even netted a Trigger fish trapped alive inside a plastic bucket.

But the most nettlesome trash is nearly invisible: countless specks of plastic, often smaller than pencil erasers, suspended near the surface of the deep blue Atlantic.

"It's shocking to see it firsthand," Cummins said. "Nothing compares to being out there. We've managed to leave our footprint really everywhere."

Still more data are needed to assess the dimensions of the North Atlantic patch.

Charles Moore, an ocean researcher credited with discovering the Pacific garbage patch in 1997, said the Atlantic undoubtedly has comparable amounts of plastic. The east coast of the United States has more people and more rivers to funnel garbage into the sea. But since the Atlantic is stormier, debris there likely is more diffuse, he said.

Whatever the difference between the two regions, plastics are devastating the environment across the world, said Moore, whose Algalita Marine Research Foundation based in Long Beach, California, was among the sponsors for Cummins and Eriksen.

"Humanity's plastic footprint is probably more dangerous than its carbon footprint," he said.

Plastics have entangled birds and turned up in the bellies of fish: A paper cited by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says as many as 100,000 marine mammals could die trash-related deaths each year.

The plastic bits, which can be impossible for fish to distinguish from plankton, are dangerous in part because they sponge up potentially harmful chemicals that are also circulating in the ocean, said Jacqueline Savitz, a marine scientist at Oceana, an ocean conservation group based in Washington.

As much as 80 percent of marine debris comes from land, according to the United Nations Environmental Program.

The U.S. government is concerned the pollution could hurt its vital interests.

"That plastic has the potential to impact our resources and impact our economy," said Lisa DiPinto, acting director of NOAA's marine debris program. "It's great to raise awareness so the public can see the plastics we use can eventually land in the ocean."

DiPinto said the federal agency is co-sponsoring a new voyage this summer by the Sea Education Association to measure plastic pollution southeast of Bermuda. NOAA is also involved in research on the Pacific patch.

"Unfortunately, the kinds of things we use plastic for are the kinds of things we don't dispose of carefully," Savitz said. "We've got to use less of it, and if we're going to use it, we have to make sure we dispose of it well."

Nice article! Good choice and I like the fact they didn't try and connect it to global warming.

This is the kind of thing that needs attention, Not AGW. This is something that is not based on a theoretical hypothesis backed up by other theories all stemming from the same original premise. This is real world evidence backed up by simply looking at it.

If they wanted to use some tax dollars to assign some ships to salvage this up and clean our own sea lines as the did their regular duties I would be all for it. But they don't, all they want to do is tax us for breathing and pretend its to save the planet.
 
And many still believe that mankind is having and can have no global impact on our planet.
The only place that we are certain that mankind can live.
Plastic has only been in widespread use for how many years?

We are collectively a stupid species.

Where are the people who beleive that mankind is having absolutely NO impact on the planet ? Stretching it ?

Not according to what some of the anti global warmers post.
Here and back on the old board.
some seem to want to do away with all environmental controls as well.

Water quality in most of the rivers in my state have increased dramatically in the past couple of decades due to environmental controls.
Heck it seems that most would just run straight sewer pipes out if allowed.
 
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Not necessarily.

Maybe tommywho70x is actually Mike Melia from the AP.

nope. my name is really thomas and i hold a B.S. from U Tampa in Marine Biology, so i do have a professional interest of sorts on this subject.

i even have thoughts about cost effective solutions to the problem. i say we should refit all the closed sardine factories with equipment to reprocess the plastics and hire fishing vessels that might be having problems due to depleted stocks and pesky animal lovers to go round up all that trash and turn it back into water bottles so that the swiss (NESTLE) can sucker everybody into paying 5 bucks a gallon for packaged tap water.

being a newbie here, i fail to grok the significance of the red font. would someone care to enlighten me?
You can edit your OP or eventually a mod will. When they post in an official capacity, they use red font. Otherwise, abuse them as you would any other poster. :)

okay --- gave it a look over and it appears that i have violated the rule about posting an article in its entirety. i'm not sure that i understand the reasoning for that and it definitely will take a little adjustment on my part for future postings.

i read hundreds of pages daily --- many of them packed with articles and like to deliver ones that i have a personal or fiduciary interest into the appropriate forum for discussion. i usually drop the whole article down with at most a short comment.

pray tell what is the consensus on best practice? just the link? headline and link? the whole article if it is reasonably short like this one?
 
A 2nd garbage patch: Plastic soup seen in Atlantic



By MIKE MELIA, Associated Press Writer Mike Melia, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 15, 4:35 pm ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Researchers are warning of a new blight at sea: a swirl of confetti-like plastic debris stretching over a remote expanse of the Atlantic Ocean.

The floating garbage — hard to spot from the surface and spun together by a vortex of currents — was documented by two groups of scientists who trawled the sea between scenic Bermuda and Portugal's mid-Atlantic Azores islands.

The studies describe a soup of micro-particles similar to the so-called Great Pacific Garbage Patch, a phenomenon discovered a decade ago between Hawaii and California that researchers say is likely to exist in other places around the globe.

"We found the great Atlantic garbage patch," said Anna Cummins, who collected plastic samples on a sailing voyage in February.

The debris is harmful for fish, sea mammals — and at the top of the food chain, potentially humans — even though much of the plastic has broken into such tiny pieces they are nearly invisible.

Since there is no realistic way of cleaning the oceans, advocates say the key is to keep more plastic out by raising awareness and, wherever possible, challenging a throwaway culture that uses non-biodegradable materials for disposable products.

"Our job now is to let people know that plastic ocean pollution is a global problem — it unfortunately is not confined to a single patch," Cummins said.

The research teams presented their findings in February at the 2010 Oceans Sciences Meeting in Portland, Oregon. While scientists have reported finding plastic in parts of the Atlantic since the 1970s, the researchers say they have taken important steps toward mapping the extent of the pollution.

Cummins and her husband, Marcus Eriksen, of Santa Monica, California, sailed across the Atlantic for their research project. They plan similar studies in the South Atlantic in November and the South Pacific next spring.

On the voyage from Bermuda to the Azores, they crossed the Sargasso Sea, an area bounded by ocean currents including the Gulf Stream. They took samples every 100 miles (160 kilometers) with one interruption caused by a major storm. Each time they pulled up the trawl, it was full of plastic.

A separate study by undergraduates with the Woods Hole, Massachusetts-based Sea Education Association collected more than 6,000 samples on trips between Canada and the Caribbean over two decades. The lead investigator, Kara Lavendar Law, said they found the highest concentrations of plastics between 22 and 38 degrees north latitude, an offshore patch equivalent to the area between roughly Cuba and Washington, D.C.

Long trails of seaweed, mixed with bottles, crates and other flotsam, drift in the still waters of the area, known as the North Atlantic Subtropical Convergence Zone. Cummins' team even netted a Trigger fish trapped alive inside a plastic bucket.

But the most nettlesome trash is nearly invisible: countless specks of plastic, often smaller than pencil erasers, suspended near the surface of the deep blue Atlantic.

"It's shocking to see it firsthand," Cummins said. "Nothing compares to being out there. We've managed to leave our footprint really everywhere."

Still more data are needed to assess the dimensions of the North Atlantic patch.

Charles Moore, an ocean researcher credited with discovering the Pacific garbage patch in 1997, said the Atlantic undoubtedly has comparable amounts of plastic. The east coast of the United States has more people and more rivers to funnel garbage into the sea. But since the Atlantic is stormier, debris there likely is more diffuse, he said.

Whatever the difference between the two regions, plastics are devastating the environment across the world, said Moore, whose Algalita Marine Research Foundation based in Long Beach, California, was among the sponsors for Cummins and Eriksen.

"Humanity's plastic footprint is probably more dangerous than its carbon footprint," he said.

Plastics have entangled birds and turned up in the bellies of fish: A paper cited by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says as many as 100,000 marine mammals could die trash-related deaths each year.

The plastic bits, which can be impossible for fish to distinguish from plankton, are dangerous in part because they sponge up potentially harmful chemicals that are also circulating in the ocean, said Jacqueline Savitz, a marine scientist at Oceana, an ocean conservation group based in Washington.

As much as 80 percent of marine debris comes from land, according to the United Nations Environmental Program.

The U.S. government is concerned the pollution could hurt its vital interests.

"That plastic has the potential to impact our resources and impact our economy," said Lisa DiPinto, acting director of NOAA's marine debris program. "It's great to raise awareness so the public can see the plastics we use can eventually land in the ocean."

DiPinto said the federal agency is co-sponsoring a new voyage this summer by the Sea Education Association to measure plastic pollution southeast of Bermuda. NOAA is also involved in research on the Pacific patch.

"Unfortunately, the kinds of things we use plastic for are the kinds of things we don't dispose of carefully," Savitz said. "We've got to use less of it, and if we're going to use it, we have to make sure we dispose of it well."

Nice article! Good choice and I like the fact they didn't try and connect it to global warming.

This is the kind of thing that needs attention, Not AGW. This is something that is not based on a theoretical hypothesis backed up by other theories all stemming from the same original premise. This is real world evidence backed up by simply looking at it.

If they wanted to use some tax dollars to assign some ships to salvage this up and clean our own sea lines as the did their regular duties I would be all for it. But they don't, all they want to do is tax us for breathing and pretend its to save the planet.

i watched this article all day in the yahoo news forum and most of the morons were bickering over whether to blame the obamanator or dubya and failed to realize that we, as a species have been dumping our solid waste into the water since we discovered that it was no fun to eat or sleep near where we poop.

there were a few who wanted to blame the navy with backing from a few ex-squids. i thought the navy tightened up on dumping trash so i sent them an inquiry. waiting for reply

as for the tax dollars, show me the request for bids. i'll underbid everybody just for a chance to actually apply my education to something related to it.
 
A 2nd garbage patch: Plastic soup seen in Atlantic



By MIKE MELIA, Associated Press Writer Mike Melia, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 15, 4:35 pm ET

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – Researchers are warning of a new blight at sea: a swirl of confetti-like plastic debris stretching over a remote expanse of the Atlantic Ocean.

The floating garbage — hard to spot from the surface and spun together by a vortex of currents — was documented by two groups of scientists who trawled the sea between scenic Bermuda and Portugal's mid-Atlantic Azores islands.

The studies describe a soup of micro-particles similar to the so-called Great Pacific Garbage Patch, a phenomenon discovered a decade ago between Hawaii and California that researchers say is likely to exist in other places around the globe.

"We found the great Atlantic garbage patch," said Anna Cummins, who collected plastic samples on a sailing voyage in February.

The debris is harmful for fish, sea mammals — and at the top of the food chain, potentially humans — even though much of the plastic has broken into such tiny pieces they are nearly invisible.

Since there is no realistic way of cleaning the oceans, advocates say the key is to keep more plastic out by raising awareness and, wherever possible, challenging a throwaway culture that uses non-biodegradable materials for disposable products.

"Our job now is to let people know that plastic ocean pollution is a global problem — it unfortunately is not confined to a single patch," Cummins said.

The research teams presented their findings in February at the 2010 Oceans Sciences Meeting in Portland, Oregon. While scientists have reported finding plastic in parts of the Atlantic since the 1970s, the researchers say they have taken important steps toward mapping the extent of the pollution.

Cummins and her husband, Marcus Eriksen, of Santa Monica, California, sailed across the Atlantic for their research project. They plan similar studies in the South Atlantic in November and the South Pacific next spring.

On the voyage from Bermuda to the Azores, they crossed the Sargasso Sea, an area bounded by ocean currents including the Gulf Stream. They took samples every 100 miles (160 kilometers) with one interruption caused by a major storm. Each time they pulled up the trawl, it was full of plastic.

A separate study by undergraduates with the Woods Hole, Massachusetts-based Sea Education Association collected more than 6,000 samples on trips between Canada and the Caribbean over two decades. The lead investigator, Kara Lavendar Law, said they found the highest concentrations of plastics between 22 and 38 degrees north latitude, an offshore patch equivalent to the area between roughly Cuba and Washington, D.C.

Long trails of seaweed, mixed with bottles, crates and other flotsam, drift in the still waters of the area, known as the North Atlantic Subtropical Convergence Zone. Cummins' team even netted a Trigger fish trapped alive inside a plastic bucket.

But the most nettlesome trash is nearly invisible: countless specks of plastic, often smaller than pencil erasers, suspended near the surface of the deep blue Atlantic.

"It's shocking to see it firsthand," Cummins said. "Nothing compares to being out there. We've managed to leave our footprint really everywhere."

Still more data are needed to assess the dimensions of the North Atlantic patch.

Charles Moore, an ocean researcher credited with discovering the Pacific garbage patch in 1997, said the Atlantic undoubtedly has comparable amounts of plastic. The east coast of the United States has more people and more rivers to funnel garbage into the sea. But since the Atlantic is stormier, debris there likely is more diffuse, he said.

Whatever the difference between the two regions, plastics are devastating the environment across the world, said Moore, whose Algalita Marine Research Foundation based in Long Beach, California, was among the sponsors for Cummins and Eriksen.

"Humanity's plastic footprint is probably more dangerous than its carbon footprint," he said.

Plastics have entangled birds and turned up in the bellies of fish: A paper cited by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says as many as 100,000 marine mammals could die trash-related deaths each year.

The plastic bits, which can be impossible for fish to distinguish from plankton, are dangerous in part because they sponge up potentially harmful chemicals that are also circulating in the ocean, said Jacqueline Savitz, a marine scientist at Oceana, an ocean conservation group based in Washington.

As much as 80 percent of marine debris comes from land, according to the United Nations Environmental Program.

The U.S. government is concerned the pollution could hurt its vital interests.

"That plastic has the potential to impact our resources and impact our economy," said Lisa DiPinto, acting director of NOAA's marine debris program. "It's great to raise awareness so the public can see the plastics we use can eventually land in the ocean."

DiPinto said the federal agency is co-sponsoring a new voyage this summer by the Sea Education Association to measure plastic pollution southeast of Bermuda. NOAA is also involved in research on the Pacific patch.

"Unfortunately, the kinds of things we use plastic for are the kinds of things we don't dispose of carefully," Savitz said. "We've got to use less of it, and if we're going to use it, we have to make sure we dispose of it well."

Nice article! Good choice and I like the fact they didn't try and connect it to global warming.

This is the kind of thing that needs attention, Not AGW. This is something that is not based on a theoretical hypothesis backed up by other theories all stemming from the same original premise. This is real world evidence backed up by simply looking at it.

If they wanted to use some tax dollars to assign some ships to salvage this up and clean our own sea lines as the did their regular duties I would be all for it. But they don't, all they want to do is tax us for breathing and pretend its to save the planet.

i watched this article all day in the yahoo news forum and most of the morons were bickering over whether to blame the obamanator or dubya and failed to realize that we, as a species have been dumping our solid waste into the water since we discovered that it was no fun to eat or sleep near where we poop.

there were a few who wanted to blame the navy with backing from a few ex-squids. i thought the navy tightened up on dumping trash so i sent them an inquiry. waiting for reply

as for the tax dollars, show me the request for bids. i'll underbid everybody just for a chance to actually apply my education to something related to it.

Well that would be an environmental investment I would back....

Yeah the navy has had stricter policies since the late 70's. Well depending on who you ask anyway. You ask an officer and he will cite the regulations and measures taken and make you feel all warm and fuzzy. But you ask an average swabby and you will get a different picture.. I am sure its somewhere in the middle in practice. Even if its in the middle its far better than it used to be..

I love doing right by the environment, I just hate when people try and use it to sneak bills, legislation, taxation, and loss of freedoms in on it.
 
Just take a couple of paragraphs that sum up the thrust of the article the best. And then post a link to it, Tommy.

Very few people here will actually read it. And if it is written above a fifth grade level, most will misinterpret it. However, there are a few of us that appreciate all the science news that we can get.
 
nope. my name is really thomas and i hold a B.S. from U Tampa in Marine Biology, so i do have a professional interest of sorts on this subject.

i even have thoughts about cost effective solutions to the problem. i say we should refit all the closed sardine factories with equipment to reprocess the plastics and hire fishing vessels that might be having problems due to depleted stocks and pesky animal lovers to go round up all that trash and turn it back into water bottles so that the swiss (NESTLE) can sucker everybody into paying 5 bucks a gallon for packaged tap water.

being a newbie here, i fail to grok the significance of the red font. would someone care to enlighten me?
You can edit your OP or eventually a mod will. When they post in an official capacity, they use red font. Otherwise, abuse them as you would any other poster. :)

okay --- gave it a look over and it appears that i have violated the rule about posting an article in its entirety. i'm not sure that i understand the reasoning for that and it definitely will take a little adjustment on my part for future postings.

i read hundreds of pages daily --- many of them packed with articles and like to deliver ones that i have a personal or fiduciary interest into the appropriate forum for discussion. i usually drop the whole article down with at most a short comment.

pray tell what is the consensus on best practice? just the link? headline and link? the whole article if it is reasonably short like this one?

Typically link, headline and first paragraph or two, just enough to get the bones of the story. You can't post links yet though. It's been a while since Si was under 15 posts. ;)

Now that we're all done playing pretend mod squad, good story. Oh, and we're a little better than Yahoo news. :eusa_whistle:
 

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