War & Zelensky

[ESay]

I'm beginning to wonder if whether Putin's so-called NATO concerns are the underlying issue here.

It may be that he's just after specific territory. I don't see him blowing up Kiev intending to occupy it.

I am still betting that Putin won't dare to invade Ukraine. Though, I don't exclude that some agreement will be reached concerning Ukraine. Some people say that the word 'finlandization' circulated during talks between Macron and Putin.

 

[Mac1958]

I am still betting that Putin won't dare to invade Ukraine. Though, I don't exclude that some agreement will be reached concerning Ukraine. Some people say that the word 'finlandization' circulated during talks between Macron and Putin.

Now I'm seeing little stories that Putin would respond to international punishment with a massive hacking attack. On and on.

I'm also seeing that the "allies" are not fully united on the strongest possible response. Given the dependence Germany and others have on Russia, that's not a shock.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

My first thought is that why are we getting involved. This is something that Obama did was wrong when he supported the 2014 Revolution in Ukraine. The Russian Minority got behind Viktor Yanukovych and won an election fair and square, only to see their candidate toppled by parliament. At that point, the Russian minority in Crimea and Donbass decided they were done.

What is probably needed is a redrawing of the border ceding those regions to Russia, but this is unlikely to happen. Zelensky is probably hoping that this is just saber rattling. I think he underestimates how much Putin might need a war to shore up his own political position.

We also really need to recognize that Russia has a sphere of influence in the world, just like we do, just like the Chinese do.

Appeasement doesn't work.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

no. but i'd love to see you post a credible unbiased link claiming that.

 

[ESay]

Now I'm seeing little stories that Putin would respond to international punishment with a massive hacking attack. On and on.

I'm also seeing that the "allies" are not fully united on the strongest possible response. Given the dependence Germany and others have on Russia, that's not a shock.

Well, let's wait and see. The time will show. Basically, I think that NATO should publicly claim that it isn't going to take any decisions under pressure and postpone any talks with Russia until it de-escalates the situation.

 

[struth]

Wrong. He’s made his concerns known. They are old concerns. Ukraine can’t go NATO and can’t oppress the Russian population in the Donbas.

Why in the world does Russia get to tell Ukraine what it can and can not do? If it wants to accept an invite, it has the right to, the right to do so without the threat of your puppet master Putin invading.

There is no Russian population in Donbas, Donbas is a region in the Ukraine...not Russia.

 

[Lesh]

Zelensky is walking a tightrope.

He can't appear too weak or Russians will invade and his people will turn against him

He also can't appear too beligerant lest he give Putin the excuse he's looking for to invade.

What people need to realize is that Ukraine IS armed and they have an experienced military. They've been fighting Russian aggressors for nearly a decade.

Russia got themselves a bloody nose in Chechnya. Putin can't really afford to have that happen again

 

[Lesh]

There is no Russian population in Donbas, Donbas is a region in the Ukraine...not Russia.

There is a small and growing Russian population in Donbas .

Not too different than Crimea. Russians were encouraged to move there so that Russia could claim they were defending a primarily Russian speaking region against...whatever...

 

[August West]

Didn't Biden threaten to withhold funds from the Ukraine unless they stopped investigating his son?

He did not. Any other questions for us today? That one was really stupid.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He did not. Any other questions for us today? That one was really stupid.

Sure, he did. It's on tape.

You believe Hunter is qualified to serve of the Board of a foreign oil company, right?

 

[struth]

There is a small and growing Russian population in Donbas .

Not too different than Crimea. Russians were encouraged to move there so that Russia could claim they were defending a primarily Russian speaking region against...whatever...

Cool, but they aren't Russians...they aren't in Russia.

There is a small but growing Mexican population in the United States, in particular the Southwest, that doesn't mean they are Mexicans....they are US Citizens (most of them), and it doesn't give Mexico the right to tell the United States what it can and can not do.

But you do make a great argument for tough illegal immigration enforcement, to ensure that doesn't happen.

So thanks

 

[Lesh]

Cool, but they aren't Russians...they aren't in Russia.

There is a small but growing Mexican population in the United States, in particular the Southwest, that doesn't mean they are Mexicans....they are US Citizens (most of them), and it doesn't give Mexico the right to tell the United States what it can and can not do.

But you do make a great argument for tough illegal immigration enforcement, to ensure that doesn't happen.

So thanks

I actually agree with you but that's the excuse Putin has been using for his aggression

 

[struth]

I actually agree with you but that's the excuse Putin has been using for his aggression

which highlights that's it's complete BS. Repeating his BS propaganda simply helps his tyrantical behavior

 

[gipper]

Your ilk are tirelessly advocating the right of Crimean people to decide their future and with whom they want to be. While ignoring such a right to the Poles, Czechs, Estonians and so on. Have you asked them whether they want 'NATO to get the fuck out'?

The majority of East European nations don't want to get back under Russian rule. Quite strange, eh? Even Putin's buddy Orban isn't so eager to pull back from Western blocs.

The Crimean people who are essentially Russians, voted to return to Russia after O’s coup in Ukraine.

NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s a Cold War relic and nothing less than a provocative war making entity.

Funny how so many Americans like you think Putin wants to impose his will around the world, yet you ignore who is really doing this. The good old USA.

 

[JoeB131]

Appeasement doesn't work.

Sure it does. It prevents war.

Munich did exactly what it was supposed to do. It avoided an unwinnable war over Czechoslovakia.

Then the British gave the Polish Colonels a blank check, and we had a war.

 

[AlexanderPK]

I am still betting that Putin won't dare to invade Ukraine.

He wasn't going to in the first place, knowing that western jerks declare he won't dare, then he doesn't invade and the jerks enounce that he didn't because they told him and he got scared. They are the heroes. What would he need Kiev for? It's been sucked dry by the nitwits in power. lf anything he might recognize break away regions, deploy there what he has in store in terms of advanced weapons the West won't admit exist and I hope will have in the crosshairs the combat facilities NATO will dare to install there.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Zelensky doesn't have any strategy. His administration and government are a manifestation of unprofessionalism and unfitness for their posts. Do you know that the head of the main secret service of Ukraine - SBU - is a former TV producer, Zelensky's companion, with no experience in this field.

Yes, Zelensky is downplaying the possibility of Russian invasion. One of the reasons is he doesn't want panic to spread across the country.

Another reason is his administration thinks that some Western countries will demand a full implementation of the Minsk agreements on Russian terms as a part of de-escalation solutions.

That's OK! We have a President and Vice president who have no experience and could fuck up a wet dream!

 

[colfax_m]

The mess in Ukraine is the consequence of yet another coup by the US. O, Joe, and Nuland got it done in 2014. Overthrowing a freely elected democratic government. A government friendly to Russia. We can’t have that, when we must expand NATO right up to Russia’s border. A provocation Russia isn’t likely to accept.

Dumb Americans think Putin invaded Ukraine to take the Crimea. The truth is the Crimea was part of Russia for more than a couple centuries, before Khrushchev unilaterally gave it to Ukraine. A vote was taken after the Maidan coup and Crimea wanted to return to Russia, which Putin accomplished.

Most Americans couldn’t find Ukraine on a map, even if they were told it borders Russia and is in Eastern Europe.
How The Western Press Lied About The 2014 Coup In Ukraine, Pretending That It Was Instead A Real Democratic Revolution
RAY McGOVERN: Ukraine For Dummies

Ukrainians elected a president who was friendly to the west and opposed to Russia.

They don’t want to become Belarus.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Crimean people who are essentially Russians, voted to return to Russia after O’s coup in Ukraine.

NATO needs to be dissolved. It’s a Cold War relic and nothing less than a provocative war making entity.

Funny how so many Americans like you think Putin wants to impose his will about he world, yet you ignore who is really doing this. The good old USA.

Oh, sure! There is the contrarian coming out! How many wars has NATO started, dumbass?
Why do you always hate on the military? Were you disqualified for enlistment by every recruiter or kicked out in boot camp for inability to adapt to military life?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why in the world does Russia get to tell Ukraine what it can and can not do? If it wants to accept an invite, it has the right to, the right to do so without the threat of your puppet master Putin invading.

There is no Russian population in Donbas, Donbas is a region in the Ukraine...not Russia.

Really? No Russians? That's why there are nearly 40% who are ethnically Russian?