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[EdwinAMartin]

I already addressed that, you must of missed it.

This is about the guy in the interview;

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Trump May Radicalize Regime Rather Than Topple It, Expert Warns

Bombing could cause either a slightly modified version of the current regime to emerge, or a much more radical regime.

time.com

If I recall correctly, this guy voted for Trump.

Another academic 'expert' nobody ever heard of that like, wrote a paper n stuff. How rare!

 

[The Duke]

Another academic 'expert' nobody ever heard of that like, wrote a paper n stuff. How rare!

And has access to no real info. This is classic "Argument from Authority" fallacy.

Ad Verecundiam (Argument from Authority) Explained with Many Examples

The ad verecundian (appeal to authority) is described and analyzed in both its fallacious and non fallacious forms

philosophy.lander.edu

 

[EdwinAMartin]

I was addressing MisterBeale . Still respect him. Have known him for quite some time.
It is what it is. I probably think he's all wrong about this situation though.

He likes the vegan looking Chinese guy in Turkey a lot; I was jsut curious. I quit clicking on any links the nutjobs poast days ago.

 

[The Duke]

He likes the vegan looking Chinese guy in Turkey a lot; I was jsut curious. I quit clicking on any links the nutjobs poast days ago.

MisterBeale , Can you tell me wtf he's talking about?

 

[MisterBeale]

And has access to no real info. This is classic "Argument from Authority" fallacy.

Ad Verecundiam (Argument from Authority) Explained with Many Examples

The ad verecundian (appeal to authority) is described and analyzed in both its fallacious and non fallacious forms

philosophy.lander.edu

It would be an argument from Authority fallacy if the guy was commenting on say, climate change. He is not a climatologist, thus, it is a fallacy.

This guy is a political scientist, thus, he is keeping his comments to political science. Therefor NOT a fallacy.

 

[The Duke]

It would be an argument from Authority fallacy if the guy was commenting on say, climate change. He is not a climatologist, thus, it is a fallacy.

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This guy is a political scientist, thus, he is keeping his comments to political science. Therefor NOT a fallacy.

Yet he is not privy to information he is pontificating on.

 

[MisterBeale]

MisterBeale , Can you tell me wtf he's talking about?

The escalation ladder.

He is commenting on tactical success as opposed to strategic success.

The only way to achieve the goals that the administration desires, is to put a credible invasion force on the ground.

In order to do that, we would have to do like the Russians did in Ukraine, a partial or full mobilization for war. That can really only be done with the approval of congress.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

And has access to no real info. This is classic "Argument from Authority" fallacy.

Ad Verecundiam (Argument from Authority) Explained with Many Examples

The ad verecundian (appeal to authority) is described and analyzed in both its fallacious and non fallacious forms

philosophy.lander.edu

Some info is easy to find, like the fact the US quickly replaced what little oil we imported from the ME in weeks before Trump went into Iran, showing that it was far from some knee jerk spur of the moment attack by a petulant egomaniac, like the commies here constantly portray it to be, for instance. there are others indicators, but I will keep them to myself.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yet he is not privy to information he is pontificating on.

That's not true.

The capability of the Iranian forces are pretty well known. Political scientists and military experts are aware of what it would take to achieve the administration's goals.

. . . although, I would have to agree on one point, the entire capability of the US military might not be known.

Many folks were taken by surprise by that acoustic weapon that was deployed in the kidnapping of Maduro. Likewise with that recent mission to rescue the downed pilot in Iran that Rogan and Duncan Trussell were talking about on yesterday's show.

"Ghost Murmur."

CIA's experimental ‘Ghost Murmur’ device reportedly helped locate downed pilot in Iran

Device allegedly uses quantum sensors to detect a person’s heartbeat from afar, but physicists say such technology would struggle to work at long distances due to extremely weak signals and interference

www.ynetnews.com

 

[Zincwarrior]

We need to get the **** out of there.

 

[MisterBeale]

We need to get the **** out of there.

After that completely unhinged truthy post Trump made on Easter Sunday, I am of the opinion that Trump agrees with you.

The problem is, he fell into Bibi's trap, and now, he doesn't know how to get out of there w/o giving Iran those ten points they want, and how to get Bibi to stop the assault on Lebanon.

 

[The Duke]

We need to get the **** out of there.

Not yet. I hope not, for the Iranian's sake. It's not done yet, they done imported ISIS assholes for their checkpoints.
Those need thinned out, they've launched a few missiles, that capability needs to be destroyed.
Any fastboats need sunk, and mines need to be cleared. Nah, don't stop now.
Besides, with a ceasefire, the 60-day window resets!

 

[BackAgain]

It would be an argument from Authority fallacy if the guy was commenting on say, climate change. He is not a climatologist, thus, it is a fallacy.

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This guy is a political scientist, thus, he is keeping his comments to political science. Therefor NOT a fallacy.

That’s not quite accurate. If a medical doctor says that a hemorrhoid is ass cancer, and cites his own medical knowledge as his foundation for saying so, then he is still engaging in the fallacy of an appeal to authority.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The capability of the Iranian forces are pretty well known.

Which is why they were pretty much gone within hours. Now the targets are more spread out and surrounded by civilian residences, police stations and the like, so the going is slower and more precise. Your terrorist heroes don't have to worry about such things, since they love killing civilians.

 

[The Duke]

After that completely unhinged truthy post Trump made on Easter Sunday, I am of the opinion that Trump agrees with you.

The problem is, he fell into Bibi's trap, and now, he doesn't know how to get out of there w/o giving Iran those ten points they want, and how to get Bibi to stop the assault on Lebanon.

When did you get teh Joo hate, Bealio? It's not healthy.

 

[MisterBeale]

That’s not quite accurate. If a medical doctor says that a hemorrhoid is ass cancer, and cites his own medical knowledge as his foundation for saying so, then he is still engaging in the fallacy of an appeal to authority.

Bullshit. That is a doctor making a bad diagnosis, not a fallacy. That is why folks should always get a second opinion.

I am not saying that the policy/military expert that appeared on Triggonometry is correct in his analysis, he could be just as wrong as a doctor making a bad diagnosis. But it isn't an appeal to authority fallacy.

 

[MisterBeale]

When did you get teh Joo hate, Bealio? It's not healthy.

What have I posted that makes you believe I have "jew hate?"

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No ... but the neocon Trump supporters should LOVE her. Gotta destroy that evil regime, Iran. Right?

Yellow Yalies Yell, and Hollow Fools Follow

If that's "Neo-Con," why didn't Dumbo Dubya do it, instead of attacking Iraq?
After 9/11, he had the go-ahead to attack either one.

Could it be that Ivy Oil prefers Iran as the more powerful force to jack up oil prices and profits?

 

[MisterBeale]

If that's "Neo-Con," why didn't Dumbo Dubya do it, instead of attacking Iraq?
After 9/11, he had the go-ahead to attack either one.

Because every president since Carter is aware of the risks.

If we attack Iran, they shut down the straights.

 

[The Duke]