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Voting Fraud in Ohio already
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Avatar4321 said:
Doesn't mention which party has the most number registered. Yeah this could get ugly......we may not know the outcome of this election till Easter
no1tovote4
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krisy said:It figures that it has to be in my state!!! I would hope this isn't Republicans,but after that record breaking Bush rally that we went to last week,I don't think the Republicans are having to worry to much.
Wasn't there some story recently about some Republican supposedly attempting to invalidate much of the new registration. The story implied it was because they were all Democrats being registered, now it appears that it may be fraudulent and there may be a legitimate issue.
More people than are eligible are registered to vote in a county and all they have to say is "Motor Voter". This smacks of fraud and should be looked into with more steadfastness than the story indicates it was looked into.
dilloduck
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I'm afraid that anything that just "looks funny" will be tossed into the evidence file for the post election outcry and lawsuits by the Dems. If Kerry wins, I expect the republicans will accept it and begrudgingly move on.
MrMarbles
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dilloduck said:I'm afraid that anything that just "looks funny" will be tossed into the evidence file for the post election outcry and lawsuits by the Dems. If Kerry wins, I expect the republicans will accept it and begrudgingly move on.
Republicans will not move one if they lose. They lost the last election, and didn't move on, they used all their power to over turn the election. What makes think it will be different this time?
dilloduck
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MrMarbles said:Republicans will not move one if they lose. They lost the last election, and didn't move on, they used all their power to over turn the election. What makes think it will be different this time?
Cmon marbles? Gore conceded the election and then retracted it. FACTS say Bush won Florida by 500+ votes. Which party began the legal challenges ??
Give up!
MrMarbles said:Republicans will not move one if they lose. They lost the last election, and didn't move on, they used all their power to over turn the election. What makes think it will be different this time?
Gore was the one that wanted to recount the votes until the end of time,not Bush. We would probably be still counting today if a stop hadn't been put to it. There is no way that you can argue that Bush is the one that couldn't move on. If Gore would have accepted his loss,it would never had gone as far as it did.
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MrMarbles said:Republicans will not move one if they lose. They lost the last election, and didn't move on, they used all their power to over turn the election. What makes think it will be different this time?
Dang, i dislike ignorance.
There was not one time that Gore one Florida. there were four recounts. Bush won every one. Gore sued to keep Florida from certifying the vote till he did a personal recount. yet even with that count Bush won. the idea that Bush didnt win is simply ridiculous.
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Avatar4321 said:Dang, i dislike ignorance.
There was not one time that Gore one Florida. there were four recounts. Bush won every one. Gore sued to keep Florida from certifying the vote till he did a personal recount. yet even with that count Bush won. the idea that Bush didnt win is simply ridiculous.
and wasn't it Dan Rather who called Gore winning Florida, when, because of the time zone difference, there was still an hour left? When the news stations started announcing Gore was the winner, the libbies got all excited. They (surprisingly, because they are SO much more edumacated) forgot there was still an hour left in the polls. Plus, some judges forced some voting ares to stay open later, which is something NOT in their power.
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leftist_liberal said:Gore really won....
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Prove me wrong then, I posted a link from reputable news source...guess I am right and you all are wrong and you cheat to win.
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All recounts showed bush won, so I don't know what you're talking about, leftist lib.
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rtwngAvngr said:All recounts showed bush won, so I don't know what you're talking about, leftist lib.
Me neither. went to the link he gave and it doesnt show anything that supports his very short statement.
MrMarbles
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What really happened in Florida?
Five months before the election, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris ordered the removal of 57,700 names from Florida’s voter rolls on grounds that they were felons. Voter rolls contain the names of all eligible, registered voters. If you’re not on the list, you don’t get to vote.
If you commit a felony in Florida, you lose your right to vote there, and you‘re “scrubbed” from the rolls. You become a non-citizen, like in the old Soviet Union. This is not the case in most other states; it’s an uncivilized vestige of the Deep South.
My office carefully went through the scrub list and discovered that at minimum, 90.2 percent of the people were completely innocent of any crime – except for being African American. We didn’t have to guess about that, because next to each voter’s name was their race.
When I questioned Harris’ office about the high percentage of African Americans on the scrub list, they responded, “Well, you know how many black people commit crimes.”
But these people weren’t felons, so why were they scrubbed?
The Florida Republicans wanted to block African Americans, who largely vote as Democrats, from voting. In 1999 they fired the company they were paying $5,700 to compile their felony “scrub” lists and replaced them with Database Technologies [DBT], who they paid $2.3 million to do the same job. [DBT is the Florida division of Choicepoint, a massive database company that does extensive work for the FBI.]
There are a lot of Joe Smiths in the Florida phonebook. DBT was hired to verify which Joe Smith was a felon and which was not. They were supposed to use their extensive databases to check credit cards, bank information, addresses and phone numbers, in addition to names, ages, and social security numbers. But they didn’t. They didn’t use one of their 1,200 databases to verify personal information, nor did they make a single phone call to verify the identity of scrubbed names.
So where did DBT get their data?
From the Internet. They went to 11 other states’ Internet sites and took names off dirt-cheap. They scrubbed Florida voters whose names were similar to out-of-state felons. An Illinois felon named John Michaels could knock off Florida voter John, Johnny, Jonathan or Jon R. Michaels, or even J.R. Michaelson. DBT matched for race and gender, but names only had to be similar to a certain degree. Names could be reversed, and suffixes (Jr., Sr.) were ignored, but aliases were included. So the felon John “Buddy” Michaels could knock non-felon Michael Johns or Bud Johnson Jr. off the voter rolls. This happened again and again.
Although DBT didn’t get names, birthdays or social security numbers right, they were very careful to match for race. A black felon named Mr. Green would only knock off a black Mr. Green, but not a single white Mr. Green. That’s how DBT earned its $2.3 million.
Why didn’t DBT use their own databases?
They didn’t, because the state told them not to. Choicepoint vice-president James Lee was grilled by a Congressional committee, headed by Cynthia McKinney, and he admitted everything, but said DBT was following state directives. Florida state officials told DBT to knock off voters by incorrectly matching them with felons.
Congresswoman McKinney led this commission to her own peril. Choicepoint is in her Atlanta district. She was destroyed in the last election by fabricated quotes and a vicious propaganda campaign.
Is this the only way votes were stolen?
No. There were 8,000 Floridians who had committed misdemeanors, but were counted as felons. Their votes were scrubbed. Katherine Harris’ office illegally scrubbed people who’d served time in other states, then moved to Florida, and Jeb Bush’s office illegally barred these people from registering to vote at all.
The biggest wholesale theft occurred inside the voting booths in black rural counties. In Gadsden County, one of the blackest in the state, thousands of votes were simply thrown away. Gadsden used paper ballots which are read by an optical reader. Ballots with a single extra mark were considered “spoiled“ and not counted. The buttons used to fill out the ballots were set up – with approval from Bush and Harris – to make votes appear unclear to the machine. One in eight ballots in Gadsden was voided by the state.
The same ballots were used in Tallahassee County, which is mostly white. There only one in 100 votes was “spoiled.” What made the difference? In Tallahassee, ballots were read on the premises, and if they were marked incorrectly, voters were sent to revote until they got it right. In the black counties, the votes were trucked off immediately. There were no machines on site. Voters weren’t told that their votes were spoiled, and they certainly weren’t permitted to re-vote.
When Ted Koppel investigated voter theft in Florida, he concluded that blacks lost votes because they weren’t well educated, and made mistakes that whites hadn‘t. He didn’t even bother to ask how the machines were set up. This is the kind of reporting we get in America. In Britain, this story ran 3 weeks after the election, when Gore was still in race. It was in the papers and on TV. In the US, it was seven months before the Washington Post ran it, and then it was only a partial version. After the election, Gadsden County replaced its voting commissioner. In 2002 they only lost one in 500 votes. So you can say blacks in Gadsden got smarter in one way – they elected a black elections chief.
What happened to Choicepoint?
Bush is handing them the big contracts in the War on Terror; immigration reviews, DNA cataloging, airport profiling, and their voting systems are being rolled out across the country.
It wasn’t reported in mainstream press, but the NAACP sued Harris and the gang for the black purge, and won. The state threw up its hands immediately and said, ‘You got us! We’ll put these people back as soon as we can.’ We’re still waiting.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=217&row=2
Five months before the election, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris ordered the removal of 57,700 names from Florida’s voter rolls on grounds that they were felons. Voter rolls contain the names of all eligible, registered voters. If you’re not on the list, you don’t get to vote.
If you commit a felony in Florida, you lose your right to vote there, and you‘re “scrubbed” from the rolls. You become a non-citizen, like in the old Soviet Union. This is not the case in most other states; it’s an uncivilized vestige of the Deep South.
My office carefully went through the scrub list and discovered that at minimum, 90.2 percent of the people were completely innocent of any crime – except for being African American. We didn’t have to guess about that, because next to each voter’s name was their race.
When I questioned Harris’ office about the high percentage of African Americans on the scrub list, they responded, “Well, you know how many black people commit crimes.”
But these people weren’t felons, so why were they scrubbed?
The Florida Republicans wanted to block African Americans, who largely vote as Democrats, from voting. In 1999 they fired the company they were paying $5,700 to compile their felony “scrub” lists and replaced them with Database Technologies [DBT], who they paid $2.3 million to do the same job. [DBT is the Florida division of Choicepoint, a massive database company that does extensive work for the FBI.]
There are a lot of Joe Smiths in the Florida phonebook. DBT was hired to verify which Joe Smith was a felon and which was not. They were supposed to use their extensive databases to check credit cards, bank information, addresses and phone numbers, in addition to names, ages, and social security numbers. But they didn’t. They didn’t use one of their 1,200 databases to verify personal information, nor did they make a single phone call to verify the identity of scrubbed names.
So where did DBT get their data?
From the Internet. They went to 11 other states’ Internet sites and took names off dirt-cheap. They scrubbed Florida voters whose names were similar to out-of-state felons. An Illinois felon named John Michaels could knock off Florida voter John, Johnny, Jonathan or Jon R. Michaels, or even J.R. Michaelson. DBT matched for race and gender, but names only had to be similar to a certain degree. Names could be reversed, and suffixes (Jr., Sr.) were ignored, but aliases were included. So the felon John “Buddy” Michaels could knock non-felon Michael Johns or Bud Johnson Jr. off the voter rolls. This happened again and again.
Although DBT didn’t get names, birthdays or social security numbers right, they were very careful to match for race. A black felon named Mr. Green would only knock off a black Mr. Green, but not a single white Mr. Green. That’s how DBT earned its $2.3 million.
Why didn’t DBT use their own databases?
They didn’t, because the state told them not to. Choicepoint vice-president James Lee was grilled by a Congressional committee, headed by Cynthia McKinney, and he admitted everything, but said DBT was following state directives. Florida state officials told DBT to knock off voters by incorrectly matching them with felons.
Congresswoman McKinney led this commission to her own peril. Choicepoint is in her Atlanta district. She was destroyed in the last election by fabricated quotes and a vicious propaganda campaign.
Is this the only way votes were stolen?
No. There were 8,000 Floridians who had committed misdemeanors, but were counted as felons. Their votes were scrubbed. Katherine Harris’ office illegally scrubbed people who’d served time in other states, then moved to Florida, and Jeb Bush’s office illegally barred these people from registering to vote at all.
The biggest wholesale theft occurred inside the voting booths in black rural counties. In Gadsden County, one of the blackest in the state, thousands of votes were simply thrown away. Gadsden used paper ballots which are read by an optical reader. Ballots with a single extra mark were considered “spoiled“ and not counted. The buttons used to fill out the ballots were set up – with approval from Bush and Harris – to make votes appear unclear to the machine. One in eight ballots in Gadsden was voided by the state.
The same ballots were used in Tallahassee County, which is mostly white. There only one in 100 votes was “spoiled.” What made the difference? In Tallahassee, ballots were read on the premises, and if they were marked incorrectly, voters were sent to revote until they got it right. In the black counties, the votes were trucked off immediately. There were no machines on site. Voters weren’t told that their votes were spoiled, and they certainly weren’t permitted to re-vote.
When Ted Koppel investigated voter theft in Florida, he concluded that blacks lost votes because they weren’t well educated, and made mistakes that whites hadn‘t. He didn’t even bother to ask how the machines were set up. This is the kind of reporting we get in America. In Britain, this story ran 3 weeks after the election, when Gore was still in race. It was in the papers and on TV. In the US, it was seven months before the Washington Post ran it, and then it was only a partial version. After the election, Gadsden County replaced its voting commissioner. In 2002 they only lost one in 500 votes. So you can say blacks in Gadsden got smarter in one way – they elected a black elections chief.
What happened to Choicepoint?
Bush is handing them the big contracts in the War on Terror; immigration reviews, DNA cataloging, airport profiling, and their voting systems are being rolled out across the country.
It wasn’t reported in mainstream press, but the NAACP sued Harris and the gang for the black purge, and won. The state threw up its hands immediately and said, ‘You got us! We’ll put these people back as soon as we can.’ We’re still waiting.
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=217&row=2
MrMarbles
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What happens when the 'greatest democracy' fails?
rtwngAvngr
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MarbleHead, despite your lengthy crap filled post, Bush won the state in all subsequent recounts. Your willingness to lie is truly disturbing.
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Holy crap! Republicans followed the law and prevented convicted felons from voting! How evil! those opporessive nazis!
Those evil republicans will do it again. You know they will. they will prevent felons from voting. They are going to try to prevent people from voting twice. Heck they might even prevent our dead grandmas from voting! How scandalous! And they have the audacity to claim they won Florida despite the fact that they won ever count conducted officially and unofficially.
This just seals it we have to abandon conservatism for the socialist garbage we know doesnt work. But atleast it will make us feel good about ourselves that we can give away other people's money.
Those evil republicans will do it again. You know they will. they will prevent felons from voting. They are going to try to prevent people from voting twice. Heck they might even prevent our dead grandmas from voting! How scandalous! And they have the audacity to claim they won Florida despite the fact that they won ever count conducted officially and unofficially.
This just seals it we have to abandon conservatism for the socialist garbage we know doesnt work. But atleast it will make us feel good about ourselves that we can give away other people's money.
MrMarbles
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Don't let convicts vote, fine by me. But in the same, don't stop a large majority of people from voting do to race. Republicans bought themselves the election. Democracy failed, way to go guys!
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