Vote Fraud Allegations Gathers Steam

[jimnyc]

Again, you're being "sparing" in your definitions. We know he can read somewhat, as he reads his speeches off the telepromter! but "illiterate" also means:

You were saying what about illiteracy? You shouldn't try to look so stupid while putting down others.

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

And there was levity in my response. I'll happily point out that we ALL the result of the very same, and very humble "beginnings".







Your contention seems to be that exit polls have an effect on outcome and turnout. I've heard this claim, but never seen any real study of it.




Which 13? And if the absentee count is less than 1% of the total note, then it's inclusion is irrelevant.

I don't - I said that "Besty Vasquez writes that Kerry is...". Take her article for what it's worth.



Imply? Maybe. Read into it what you will.




Yes, just that you said there was no evidence of fraud, and there it is.




Look at it any way you want. I hear plenty of out of context stats on Faux, and indeed every other news source. Nature of the beast. If you agree with the bias you have no problem, and probably don't recognize it - if course if you disagree with the premise, it's easy to pull just about any story apart.




Whether or not anything is "enough" to change the outcome is not relevant - integrity of our election process IS relevant. Any serious doubts in the process will cast a shadow on the mandate of the elected representative.



Regards


Andy[/QUOTE]

Ok, I'll just jump to the point.

First, let me say that anyone who criticizes Fox News is someone that doesn't watch it. When have they not been fair? When have they not shown both sides of the story? When have they ever misrepresented anything? When have they ever shown the complete lack of journalistic integrity that CBS showed this year?

You talk about voter fraud in the way you do, implying that voter fraud was rampant in this election. I was questioning your apparent belief that voter fraud changed the outcome of an election. The fact is there is no evidence supporting this.

I get tired of these Clinton-esqe attempts to say something without saying it. I got news for you Andy, you aren't that good at saying it without saying it. "Read into it what you will." It's obvious what you want us to "read into it", otherwise you wouldn't be posting it here.

As I close, I feel the need to share something that just struck me. Do you think there is some connection between someone being called a pompous ass and that person feeling the need to quote himself in his signature line?

Read into that what you will.

 

[CivilLiberty]

If you have done nothing wrong and are not planning to do anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.....

Yea, right.


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[CivilLiberty]

Actually I think a lot of it is just as good if not better than the shit writers write.

That's no stretch. The volume of product spewed out from Hollywood each year pretty much assures that loads of hacked out crap gets produced. Most of it you'll never see (destined for foreign markets)

Any good writer knows conflict is the essence of story. These producers get highly emotional (young) people, and put them together. This action alone creates lots of tension, especially with young people, who are not fully accustomed to having to deal with the concerns of others much. So while the situation may be contrived, the conflict is very real and gets very emotional. The premise of a reality tv show is how they increase tension. Nothing more. Fighting for a bride, competing to make people like you so you won't voted off the island. etc. Conflict. You can judge and stick your nose in the air as much as you want. It's good stuff. Not that writing cannot rival this semi-synthetically created drama, but half the stuff out there now that you hacks writie isn't any more engaging.

Reality TV is "written" by the editors (and producers), from hours of mostly worthless raw footage. There is "writing" going on, assuming that a good "mix" was cast, to keep enough people in conflict. It's interesting in the way rubbernecking a car accident is interesting.

Personally, I prefer narrative film - though there's precious few worth watching these days.

I would think you would understand this better.

Thanks for adding to the string of insults.

Regards

Andy

 

[dilloduck]

Yea, right.


A

Why don't you just recommend a middle east foreign policy that will provide us with some stable security ? Can you do that ?

 

[CivilLiberty]

Yeah, whatever moron.

"It's pretty freekn' stupid to wish to live in a world where terrorist attacks are more likely to occur because you don't want anyone's email read"
- Me

And

"It's pretty freakin' stupid to believe that throwing out due process will somehow make us safer from terrorists".

- Me


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[manu1959]

Yea, right.


A

well i have don nothing wrong...and i am not planning to....since the patriot act went into place my life has been no different and have not heard of nayone elses expect one attorney (can say that bugs me much) i do not that no buildings have been blow up on us soil since ....

 

[manu1959]

And

"It's pretty freakin' stupid to believe that throwing out due process will somehow make us safer from terrorists".

- Me


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those that are being denied due process...have not earned the right... are not entitled to.... nor do they deserve it....

 

[dilloduck]

And

"It's pretty freakin' stupid to believe that throwing out due process will somehow make us safer from terrorists".

- Me


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LISTEN -------you have a whole audience of people and and opportunity to share some of your constructive ideas with us yet for some reason you choose only to criticize. Why is that? Do you have no proposals of your own or are you simply afraid to expose them? Kerry tried that too and it was as unsuccessful for him as this "strategy" is becoming for you. LET'S hear it. Your chance to be a star !!!!!!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

That's no stretch. The volume of product spewed out from Hollywood each year pretty much assures that loads of hacked out crap gets produced. Most of it you'll never see (destined for foreign markets)



Reality TV is "written" by the editors (and producers), from hours of mostly worthless raw footage. There is "writing" going on, assuming that a good "mix" was cast, to keep enough people in conflict. It's interesting in the way rubbernecking a car accident is interesting.

Personally, I prefer narrative film - though there's precious few worth watching these days.



Thanks for adding to the string of insults.

Regards

Andy

Don't be so bitter.

There's always a narrative in reality tv and, you're right the editor "finds it" with their editing. reality tv is often superior because the emotional realism is always there, because these ARE the characters, and THIS is what they say and do in these situations. Editing is important, I'll give you that. But your implication that there is no narrative here is typical leftwing writer wannabeism. You just don't get it.

 

[spillmind]

if your entire argument is based upon "the accuracy of the exit polls in each of the 'solid' states" as the basis for voter fraud... then i am sure you will achieve the same success as those that believe in the second shooter and that Capricorn one was a documentary

anyone going to dispute the math and well documented analysis?

i didn't think so. how compelling. you guys must be really dedicated to a cause, so much as to even block out facts and figures to suit your agenda.

is this the 'new' american way?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

anyone going to dispute the math and well documented analysis?

i didn't think so. how compelling. you guys must be really dedicated to a cause, so much as to even block out facts and figures to suit your agenda.

is this the 'new' american way?

We assert that perhaps the sample group was skewed in some fashion. We feel that this is a more probable cause of the discepancies than election fraud.

 

[CivilLiberty]

It's obvious that your above emotionally-charged nasty rejection of a top notch national journalist/writer only reflects your very lack of the skills and abilities that she owns in abundance. It must explain why you are not addressing the FACTS that Coulter presents in her column about the very subject that you brought up in this thread. I am so not impressed with your sophistry and shall now depart this thread as I don't intend to amuse a pathetic phony.

I don't consider her a top notch journalist because I don't consider her a journalist. She's a right wing pundit, and "top notch" as spinning things and weaving lies catering to the right.

I find her columns vitriolic and a waste of my time. You might respond the same if I were to point to, say , a column by Gore Vidal as "proof" of some issue.



Regards,


Andy

 

[spillmind]

I don't need to dispute the math or accuracy or ANY exit polls. They are just that, POLLS! The accuracy of the votes themselves is all that matters and Kerry was severely behind in that department.

Man, as if 2000 wasn't bad enough, you libs crying the same crap again is ******* hilarious!

you mean you CAN'T dispute the math, because is was ONE IN A 250 MILLION CHANCE kerry would receive that low percentage of votership across the three states. trying to say that the battleground states' math was off, while all others were well withing margin of error just doesn't add up.

it adds up to a heavily biased partisan agenda, but not sound logic. go ahead, deny this, too.

why don't you tell us why we even use exit polls? or why they are used around the world? if they are so unreliable? i'd love to hear the spin on that.

the real losers are the people. and the good old american set of values.. as it pertains to a free and fair election. ....all a thing of the past

 

[spillmind]

We assert that perhaps the sample group was skewed in some fashion. We feel that this is a more probable cause of the discepancies than election fraud.

care to explain why it HEAVILY favored bush in ohio, florida AND pennsylvania?

there is no evidence that says one side would vote one way and say another, unless you've got some to present?

that man has the devil's own luck, right?

 

[no1tovote4]

SE:

did you read the report?

jim: how do you explain the accuracy of the exit polls in each of the 'solid' states this time around, and in all the examples that the author gives us?
i didn't think you could dispute the math. thanks for trying, however.
i'm so glad you are convinced.

I would suggest going to realclearpolitics.com and checking the exit poll numbers used in the report. I don't know which exit polls they used in the report but I suggest that the accuracy of the report is in question.

 

[CivilLiberty]

Ok Andy. We've wrongfully pegged you as an insane lib. Maybe we were wrong. Let's continue with the analogy of your thread title:"Voter Fraud Allegations Gathers Steam". This is a metphor for a steam powered locomotive of yore, which used to "gather steam" to power the turbine. Where do the tracks on which this locomotive is staged lead?To Massive voting system improvement or overturn of election results? What is this "gathering steam" all about? To me, it implies some kind of preparation to act towards some goal. What is that goal?

Gathering steam, as a metaphor meaning "building up in pressure" - We've been hearing about on the news, so it was worth discussing. I don't know where it's heading. I have said several times I don't think there's anyway it would reverse the outcome of the election.

On the other hand I have wanted to see election reform for some time.

My impression of this tread (paraphrasing):

"I have the gall to suggest that our election system is imperfect, therefore I must be a pinko liberal."


Christ you guys. Perceptual rigidity ring a bell?


Regards,

Andy

 

[CivilLiberty]

Thank you for answering my question---please don't retreat to your original excuse for beginning this thread. You are merely a common, liberal, whiner with NO PLATFORM TO PROPOSE OR DEFEND. Critique is simple--creation is art.

I have some of my platform on my site at About - I'm working on a concise summary, and I'll let you know when I post it.


Regards,

Andy

 

[OCA]

I'm late getting to this thread but are we actually hearing allegations of fraud and vote mischief from the left? HAHAHAHA this just gets better everyday.

The reason the Demos lost was not because of a rigged election, thats just knee jerk reaction for leftists, the election was fair and square by all accounts from many political persuasions. The Demos lost precisely because there message got out and it was rejected overwhelmingly by the American people.

Looks like the Demos are gonna have to move to the right or risk being politically out of touch and irrelevant for decades to come.

As for the exit polls early showing of a Kerry lead that is because most of your welfare recieving lowlifes without jobs were first to vote since they have alot of time on their hands and we know exactly who they voted for, later in the day and night when responsible Americans came out Bush surged ahead.

 

[CivilLiberty]

If Bush had lost the election, does anybody really think there would have been any substantial allegations of voter fraud?

From the GOP, perhaps. We'll never know.

The election results are what they are. The country is dangerously divided politically right now and allegations that could turn into charges would be nearly catastrophic for the country and definitely for the DNC. The Dems who are finger-pointing just need to regroup and think about why Kerry lost instead of blaming the loss on somebody other than Kerry himself, his campaign and the liberal agenda. Most Dems are looking inward but they are still way off with that "god-fearin’ gun-totin’ homophobic bigot redneck" theory. I say let them be way off too (never show the other team your playbook).

Kerry lost, more than anything, because he was a weak candidate with an unfocused message.


Regards,



Andy