Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine

[JoeB131]

We will see what the deal ends up being. BLUF: there is little to gain by either side by continuing this war.

Trump has already conceded territorial gains and NATO membership before even sitting down at the table.

Not sure how the deal could get better, but it could certainly be worse.

 

[Kruska]

We will see what the deal ends up being. BLUF: there is little to gain by either side by continuing this war.

Trumps agenda in regards to Russia only revolves around two things

Cheap OIL - isolate CHINA

Don't know, why so far nobody can figure out the connection of those 2, in regards to benefiting the USA/Trump - triple

That Trump will fail miserably is another issue.

 

[JWBooth]

The DemoKKKrats' "no Jews" policy probably cost them the election in 2024.

I dunno about that, but it sure as hell didn’t help the silly bastards any.

 

[Couchpotato]

Trump has already conceded territorial gains and NATO membership before even sitting down at the table.

Not sure how the deal could get better, but it could certainly be worse.

NATO membership was never an option. It’s the main driver for what caused this war. As far has territory goes did anyone think Putin was going to hovel the land he took? I’m guessing he’ll give up some in trade for the Russian territory the Ukes currently have but it will likely be close to the same lines as 2 years ago. What’s the other options? Ukraine can’t expel the a Russians unless there’s a significant escalation of the war. Either putting US or European troops on the ground or hitting targets inside Russia. Neither of those options ends well lMO. We should have ended this war 2 years ago. Actually we should have stopped doing the things that lead to it decades ago but can’t go back now. At some point you have to stop doubling down on stupid.

 

[whitehall]

The big question is whether the Ukie president capable of making decisions of his own without whining to the U.S. and NATO while his people are being killed.

 

[JoeB131]

NATO membership was never an option. It’s the main driver for what caused this war. As far has territory goes did anyone think Putin was going to hovel the land he took? I’m guessing he’ll give up some in trade for the Russian territory the Ukes currently have but it will likely be close to the same lines as 2 years ago. What’s the other options? Ukraine can’t expel the a Russians unless there’s a significant escalation of the war. Either putting US or European troops on the ground or hitting targets inside Russia. Neither of those options ends well lMO. We should have ended this war 2 years ago. Actually we should have stopped doing the things that lead to it decades ago but can’t go back now. At some point you have to stop doubling down on stupid.

Actually, all we have to do is wait for the New Soviet Union to meet the fate of the old one. Eventually, people will get sick of waiting in line for toilet paper because the war machine is eating up all resources.

NATO membership should be an option. Don't pretend this is what the war was about. The war happened because Ukraine voters rejected Putin's other Puppet (too bad America couldn't follow their fine example.)

Appeasement never works, and you really should stop advocating it.

The Dictators don't stop at the Sudetenland, and they don't stop at the Donbas.

 

[Couchpotato]

Actually, all we have to do is wait for the New Soviet Union to meet the fate of the old one. Eventually, people will get sick of waiting in line for toilet paper because the war machine is eating up all resources.

We've been hearing that for going on 3 years now. The problem is China, India and much of the rest of the world doesn't care about our Eurocentric focus. They are happy to buy Russian oil. And let's be honest we can't afford for their oil to be out of the market. It's not like the demand goes away and there isn't anyone who can/is willing to produce enough to replace it. Europe isn't nearly as important as it likes to think it is. You know how we don't really care when people do ignorant shit in Africa and much of Asia so long as it doesn't mess with our economy? Well, that's the rest of the world's take on Ukraine and Europe.

NATO membership should be an option.

Why? What do we gain but putting Ukraine in NATO?

Don't pretend this is what the war was about. The war happened because Ukraine voters rejected Putin's other Puppet (too bad America couldn't follow their fine example.)

It 100% is what it's about. We've known that Ukraine entry into NATO was a nonstarter for Russia since W was the President at least.

Cable: 08MOSCOW265_a

We just decided to ignore them. Add in the Maidan Revolution and the US bit in that. The US spent billions of dollars propping it up to overthrow a democratically elected Government we didn't like and installed one that we did. Mostly because he wanted to take the economic offer Russia gave Ukraine because it was the better offer than what the EU put up. To cap it all off Putin told the leader of NATO when he had amassed the troops on the border that if NATO would give Russia written assurance that Ukraine wouldn't be allowed entry into NATO he would withdraw but that otherwise he would be "forced" to invade. NATO told Putin to **** off. And so here we are. Not to mention the US and the West forcing Ukraine to turn down the deal Zelensky was willing to take 2 years ago. There were so many off ramps in this thing that we actively chose not to take.

Appeasement never works, and you really should stop advocating it.

Where have I heard that before.... Oh yeah, the NEOCON's said that shit for decades... If we quit meddling in the affairs of other countries maybe just maybe we wouldn't have not appease so many of them.

The Dictators don't stop at the Sudetenland, and they don't stop at the Donbas.

Right because the country that couldn't take Kiev is suddenly going to overrun all of Europe. If Russia could conquer Europe the US sending Ukraine a Trillion dollars wouldn't matter. You cant have it both ways.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Joe Lieberman comes to mind.

Yep, and he lost!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Yep, and he lost!

That was my point

 

[JoeB131]

We've been hearing that for going on 3 years now. The problem is China, India and much of the rest of the world doesn't care about our Eurocentric focus. They are happy to buy Russian oil. And let's be honest we can't afford for their oil to be out of the market. It's not like the demand goes away and there isn't anyone who can/is willing to produce enough to replace it. Europe isn't nearly as important as it likes to think it is. You know how we don't really care when people do ignorant shit in Africa and much of Asia so long as it doesn't mess with our economy? Well, that's the rest of the world's take on Ukraine and Europe.

The EU is a 20 Trillion dollar economy. India is less than 3 trillion. Yes, the EU is economically important to us.

It's important to Russia, too, which is why Russia is trying to get sanctions lifted.

Why? What do we gain but putting Ukraine in NATO?

Containing Russian Aggression, to start with. You do get that Russia is a bad actor on the world stage. Much worse than Iran or China, which you wingnuts shit your pants over.

It 100% is what it's about. We've known that Ukraine entry into NATO was a nonstarter for Russia since W was the President at least.

It never should have been. Quite the contrary, Ukraine gave up her nukes in 1994 on the West's promise to protect her borders. They probably should have just kept their nukes.

We just decided to ignore them. Add in the Maidan Revolution and the US bit in that. The US spent billions of dollars propping it up to overthrow a democratically elected Government we didn't like and installed one that we did. Mostly because he wanted to take the economic offer Russia gave Ukraine because it was the better offer than what the EU put up.

Wow, man, stop drinking the bleach!!! The Maidan revolution happened because the Russian Stooge Yanukovych shot people peacefully protesting in the streets, not because of some evil conspiracy by Obama and Susan Rice.

Yanukovych promised to work with the EU, and toadied up to Russia instead. That's why his own people turned on him.

Here's an ugly little secret. Ukrainians REALLY HATE RUSSIANS. Probably having to do with hundreds of years of oppression from the Tsars, Stalin, and various other leaders.

Where have I heard that before.... Oh yeah, the NEOCON's said that shit for decades... If we quit meddling in the affairs of other countries maybe just maybe we wouldn't have not appease so many of them.

Neocons? You mean when Republicans actually stood up for America instead of knuckling under to any despot willing to praise a malignant narcissist?

Right because the country that couldn't take Kiev is suddenly going to overrun all of Europe. If Russia could conquer Europe the US sending Ukraine a Trillion dollars wouldn't matter. You cant have it both ways.

Fortunes of war. The only reason they didn't take Kyiv is because Biden rushed Billions in aid to them, and organized an international resistance. Clearly, if you have someone like Trump in there who has said that he doesn't have Europe's back, it's quite a different situation.

Hitler took Austria and Czechoslovakia without firing a shot.

 

[SweetTea]

Why wouldn't they?

Because they know Russia and China are run by dictators. They are far too woke, but they aren’t that stupid.

Again, how does supporting Israel make our lives better?

How does supporting Ukraine make our lives better?

We gain quite a bit from Israel from a military and intelligence perspective, not to mention keeping the extremist Muslims in the area in check. Without their presence and influence, terrorism would be far more rampant worldwide. I know you are in denial, but the extremists want everything that doesn’t agree with them dead. That includes even atheists like yourself.

 

[JoeB131]

Because they know Russia and China are run by dictators. They are far too woke, but they aren’t that stupid.

Again, how did that stop the Russians last time they dominated Europe? As for China, frankly, if I were a European leader, particularly of a poorer country, I'd be making nice with the Chinese. This is why China has supplanted us as the world's biggest trading partner. The Chinese get shit done. Americans can't keep a consistent policy from president to president.

How does supporting Ukraine make our lives better?

Well, it contains Russian ambition, to start with. Ukrainian agriculture feeds Europe.

We gain quite a bit from Israel from a military and intelligence perspective, not to mention keeping the extremist Muslims in the area in check. Without their presence and influence, terrorism would be far more rampant worldwide. I know you are in denial, but the extremists want everything that doesn’t agree with them dead. That includes even atheists like yourself.

Wow, are you ******* retarded, Cleetus.

ISRAEL CAUSES TERRORISM! It gives Muslims fresh grievances to be upset about, that the Jews have stolen some of their most sacred land.

The Zionists haven't "won" a war since 1967, and only then because they launched a dastardly sneak attack. Every other conflict they've gotten into, they've need us to bail them out, just pissing off the Muslims even more.

And then there's the time they blew up the USS Liberty, or sent Jonathan Pollard to steal our state secrets, because that's what you do when you are a good friend.

 

[SweetTea]

As for China, frankly, if I were a European leader, particularly of a poorer country, I'd be making nice with the Chinese.

Yes, because you live in a fantasy land where Communism is ok. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Your are a typical spoiled, idealistic, liberal American. YOU are exactly the kind of person our enemies want to dominate our society, because that would be the end of our country. They win without lifting a finger.

ISRAEL CAUSES TERRORISM!

This is an absurdly uninformed statement. You are far too indoctrinated with which to have a reasonable conversation.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, because you live in a fantasy land where Communism is ok. You don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Your are a typical spoiled, idealistic, liberal American. YOU are exactly the kind of person our enemies want to dominate our society, because that would be the end of our country. They win without lifting a finger.

The Europeans already have socialism. They just don't care about your McCarthyist nonsense.

China isn't my enemy. Just because they have smart leaders and we have dumb ones doesn't make them the enemy. They are beating us fair and square, largely due to our own greed and stupidity.

This is an absurdly uninformed statement. You are far too indoctrinated with which to have a reasonable conversation.

Well, you couldn't have a reasonable conversation on a bet.

Israel causes terrorism by giving Muslims a fresh set of greivences. Period. Full stop.

And because AIPAC controls our government, we keep getting involved in largely unnecessary wars.

 

[SweetTea]

Israel causes terrorism by giving Muslims a fresh set of greivences. Period. Full stop.

Pure ignorance. Extremist Muslims have built in grievances with everyone that doesn’t ascribe to their religion. You and others like you falsely believe that if we just leave them alone, they won’t hate or attack people not like them. That is patently false, but your indoctrination prevents you from being a realist.

The Europeans already have socialism.

Your idealism is showing again. The most Socialistic countries in Europe are also the most homogenous. Diversity and Socialism don’t mix. You guys are all over the map because you don’t know what you are talking about.

 

[Independent thinker]

"Volodymyr Zelenskyy: “I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia” About Peace in Ukraine


Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.”

President Zelenskyy represents the interests of the European Union, multinational corporations, various elements of NATO memberships, the World Economic Forum, the CIA division within the U.S. State Dept., western banks and a confab of various western intelligence operations. After that, he represents the interests of Ukrainians. This is why he will not permit elections.



The looming confrontation between President Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, along with all the aforementioned interests Zelenskyy supports, is going to be something very interesting."

Volodymyr Zelenskyy: "I will never accept any decisions between the USA and Russia" About Peace in Ukraine - The Last Refuge

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appears on Meet the Press to discuss his position toward ending the conflict with Russia. Within the conversation [04:11], Zelenskyy said, “I will never accept any decisions between the United States and Russia about Ukraine.” President Zelenskyy represents...

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If Zelenskyy does not want a peace agreement, then let Zelenskyy Russia without US funding. The EU can pay for the war.

We are funding the country as if they were a member of NATO. The whole point of if you want to be protected by NATO then you have to join NATO first. NATO shouldn't be defending a non NATO country and then let them join after the fact.

 

[JoeB131]

Pure ignorance. Extremist Muslims have built in grievances with everyone that doesn’t ascribe to their religion. You and others like you falsely believe that if we just leave them alone, they won’t hate or attack people not like them. That is patently false, but your indoctrination prevents you from being a realist.

Except--- we really didn't have a problem with the Islamic World before 1948, did we? They largely kept out of WWII (the Allies would have been truly fucked if they threw in with the Axis).

Then the Zionist Entity got established, smack dab in their holiest sites, and low and behold, they are upset with us for some reason.

Your idealism is showing again. The most Socialistic countries in Europe are also the most homogenous. Diversity and Socialism don’t mix. You guys are all over the map because you don’t know what you are talking about.

Seriously? This is the best you could come up with, Cleetus.

"We can't have socialism because we're a bunch of ******* racists!!!"

I mean, I get it, the white trash in your trailer park are happy being poor as long as the negros have less.

 

[SweetTea]

Seriously? This is the best you could come up with, Cleetus.

"We can't have socialism because we're a bunch of ******* racists!!!"

I mean, I get it, the white trash in your trailer park are happy being poor as long as the negros have less.

I didn't say anything about race. I said we have much more diversity. That means diversity of thought you dope. I know you Democrats are sheep, but everybody isn't like that. Sheep are required for Socialism to be effective.

 

[JoeB131]

I didn't say anything about race. I said we have much more diversity. That means diversity of thought you dope. I know you Democrats are sheep, but everybody isn't like that. Sheep are required for Socialism to be effective.

Oh, was that it? Nice backpeddling.

Yes, Swedes never disagree about anything.

 

[SweetTea]

Oh, was that it? Nice backpeddling.

Yes, Swedes never disagree about anything.

Not nearly as often. Our country is no longer a melting pot. In case you haven’t figure it out yet, many groups are not assimilating into American culture and values. They are grouping together with immigrants from their own culture and continuing their way of life and culture while enjoying all the benefits the US has to offer. They maintain much of their culture and ideals, many of which vary from culture to culture. Sweden doesn’t have that problem. Sure, they disagree at times, but they don’t have the amount of culutural diversity the US has.

You won’t understand because you are part of a big group-think known as the Democratic Party. They have desparetely tried to get everyone on board for decades in preparation for a more Socialistic form of government. Fortunately for those of us who don’t like the idea, Democrats aren’t too bright. They continue to push diversity and haven’t figure out that it is an oxymoron to have both cultural diversity and group think.