2aguy
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Nope.....we have more than enough control over guns, what we lack is control over gun criminals. This problem stems from our democrat party......they release violent, repeat gun offenders, the ones doing the shooting, over and over again.
Really? So do Republican controlled cities by the looks of things, cities like Jackson, Baton Rouge, Little Rock, Cincinnati, Dayton, Kansas, etc all have higher homicide rates than Chicago according to this article in 2016. Meet the Republicans representing cities with a higher murder rate than Chicago
And of course, they used suicides to get that number up....a dishonest action on their part to push their anti-self defense agenda.....
Suicide with a gun is a valid form of gun violence. Suicide is a mental health issue, remove guns and it makes it harder to kill yourself, giving you or your fasmilly time to seek help.
Here is the true measure...more Americans own and carry guns, while our crime rates drop.
Do they?
"According to our partners at USAFacts, a non-partisan, not-for-profit civic initiative aimed at making government data accessible and understandable, reported violent crime in the U.S. rose in both 2015 and 2016 (the most recent year for which comprehensive data are available). Violent crime includes aggravated assault, robbery, murder, non-negligent manslaughter, and rape.
Aggravated assault is the most common crime, with a rate nearly five times higher than murder and non-negligent manslaughter. Robberies and assaults have greatly decreased since the early 1990s, while the murder rate has not changed significantly since 1980, according to USAFacts.
The rate of reported rapes had also been holding steady since 1980, but preliminary data indicate that it went up in 2017."
U.S. Violent Crime on the Rise: Where and Why
You really should catch up to the fake research before you post.....
Oh good grief, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, another "unbiased" source? Association of American Physicians and Surgeons - Wikipedia
"Kellerman's study was peer reviewed and found to be accurate. Kellermann is known for his research on the epidemiology of firearm-related injuries and deaths in the US. In a 1995 interview, Kellermann said he saw firearm injuries not as random, unavoidable acts but as preventable public health priority.[6] Kellermann's studies, which indicate an increased risk of mortality associated with gun ownership, have been disputed by gun rights organizations, in particular by the National Rifle Association; although Kellermann's findings have been supported by a large body of peer-reviewed research finding that increasing gun ownership is associated with increased rates of homicide and violence.[7]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Kellermann
You can keep pushing the lie, but the internet shows it is a lie....
Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot.
Yes.....they went to all the work of getting a permit to carry a gun, just to not carry a gun......this kind of thinking is how you lost your Empire.....
I have a private pilot's licence but I don't own an aircraft, many people have driver's licences but don't own cars. Gun permit holders may have sold their guns but still have a permit, that's your problem over there, you just don't know how many people own guns, and people are killed as a result.
Congress did not quash anything...as the two studies I listed show....and those aren't the only ones if you go through the CDC research list......which you didn't do...
This is some gun research from the CDC in 2006....
Violence-Related Firearm Deaths Among Residents of Metropolitan Areas and Cities --- United States, 2006--2007
And this one....
Source of Firearms Used by Students in School-Associated Violent Deaths --- United States, 1992--1999
And this one....
http://www.thecommunityguide.org/violence/viol-AJPM-evrev-firearms-law.pdf
And this one....
Surveillance for Fatal and Nonfatal Firearm-Related Injuries --- United States, 1993--1998
And this one....
Firearm Homicides and Suicides in Major Metropolitan Areas — United States, 2006–2007 and 2009–2010
And this one...
Indoor Firing Ranges and Elevated Blood Lead Levels — United States, 2002–2013
And this one....
Rates of Homicide, Suicide, and Firearm-Related Death Among Children -- 26 Industrialized Countries
Obama CDC Study: Silencers Best Option for Noise Reduction at Gun Ranges - The Truth About Guns
The CDC looked at a number of different solutions to reduce the exposure to the hazardous noise levels in shooting ranges and arrived at the same solution as every other logical gun owner: silencers.
The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.
Some gun control activists claim that noise on shooting ranges isn’t a health issue. The CDC says otherwise, and the report is right here in black and white. Are these luddites going to argue with science?
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When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.
When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.
They were here to examine gun violence.
This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office
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The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.
“The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”
Researchers analyzed data on 569 people charged with firearm crimes from 2009 to May 21, 2014, and looked for certain risk factors in their lives, such as whether they had been unemployed, had received help from assistance programs, had been possible victims of child abuse, or had been shot or stabbed. The idea was to show that linking such data could create a better understanding of who might need help before becoming involved in violence.
No, The Government Is Not 'Banned' From Studying Gun Violence
Absolutely nothing in the amendment prohibits the CDC from studying “gun violence,” even if this narrowly focused topic tells us little. In response to this inconvenient fact, gun controllers will explain that while there isn’t an outright ban, the Dickey amendment has a “chilling” effect on the study of gun violence.
Does it? Pointing out that “research plummeted after the 1996 ban” could just as easily tell us that most research funded by the CDC had been politically motivated. Because the idea that the CDC, whose spectacular mission creep has taken it from its primary goal of preventing malaria and other dangerous communicable diseases, to spending hundreds of millions of dollars nagging you about how much salt you put on your steaks or how often you do calisthenics, is nervous about the repercussions of engaging in non-partisan research is hard to believe.
Also unlikely is the notion that a $2.6 million cut in funding so horrified the agency that it was rendered powerless to pay for or conduct studies on gun violence. The CDC funding tripled from 1996 to 2010. The CDC’s budget is over six billion dollars today.
And the idea that the CDC was paralyzed through two-years of full Democratic Party control, and then six years under a president who was more antagonistic towards the Second Amendment than any other in history, is difficult to believe, because it’s provably false.
In 2013, President Barack Obama not only signed an Executive Order directing the CDC to research “gun violence,” the administration also provided an additional $10 million to do it. Here is the study on gun violence that was supposedly banned and yet funded by the CDC. You might not have heard about the resulting research, because it contains numerous inconvenient facts about gun ownership that fails to propel the predetermined narrative. Trump’s HHS Secretary Alex Azar is also open to the idea of funding more gun violence research.
It’s not banned. It’s not chilled.
Meanwhile, numerous states and private entities fund peer-reviewed studies and other research on gun violence. I know this because gun control advocates are constantly sending me studies that distort and conflate issues to help them make their arguments. My inbox is bombarded with studies and conferences and “webinars” dissecting gun violence.
The real problem here is two-fold. One, researchers want the CDC involved so they can access government data about American gun owners. Considering the rhetoric coming from Democrats — gun ownership being tantamount to terrorism, and so on — there’s absolutely no reason Republicans should acquiesce to helping gun controllers circumvent the privacy of Americans citizens peacefully practicing their Constitutional rights.
Second, gun control advocates want to lift the ban on politically skewed research because they’re interested in producing politically skewed research. When the American Medical Association declares gun violence a “public health crisis,” it’s not interested in a balance look at the issue. When researchers advocate lifting the restrictions on advocacy at the CDC, they don’t even pretend they not to hold pre-conceived notions about the outcomes.
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There’s no reason to allow activists — then or now — to use the veneer of state-sanctioned science for their partisan purposes. For example, we now know that Rosenberg and others at the CDC turned out to be wrong about the correlation between guns and crime — a steep drop in gun crimes coincided with the explosions of gun ownership from 1996 to 2014.