Vietnam War and question for the boomer generation

[OKTexas]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

.Not great examples because be have been in Iraq, and Afghanistan for almost20 year now

Actually they are perfect examples of political micromanagement not allowing the military to do what was needed to be done.

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[OKTexas]

The job of the citizen is to elect wise leaders who will make wise decisions and ,if they fail to do this to do this, replace them with someone better.

It is up to “wise leaders” to convince the public that their decision to risk the lives of their children is justified

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years

Oh please. When exactly was the last time you made a policy decision for the Nation? You can vote for who you like but whoever gets elected/appointed makes the decisions. And I think you're fooling yourself if you think anyone gives a crap what your foreign policy opinions past, present or future are.

Trust us, we have our reasons has not worked out well over the last 50 years
At times yes and at times no. But better by far than "listening to the voice of the people" as Congress claimed to do re; Vietnam.

Voters made a policy decision in Vietnam

Get the Fuk out

Only because the politicians drug it out so long by tying the hands of the military. It would have been over in a couple of years if the military were unleashed. As was proven in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, micromanagement by politicians doesn't end well for us. But hey keep supporting those commies, you're really good at it.

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If Johnson had done that the right would have just snivled about him being a war criminal for violating the UN mandates. The fact is regardless of what McNamara, the Chiefs of Staff, and the CIA kept lying about, Johnson's policies defeated the Viet Kong and brought the North to the peace tables in just to years, and eventually led to the bankruptcy and defeat of the Kruschev/ Brezhnev Doctrine by 1973.

And led to the defeat of South Vietnam.

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[rightwinger]

Fonda's buddy John Kerry bragged about being a war criminal, lied about his service, lied to Congress under oath about war crimes and the American soldier, and met with enemy representatives while we were at war. And the American commie hippies loves him for it. Being a traitor was the fashion and still is with some.

You forgot.....SWIFTBOAT!

 

[rightwinger]

Whether Jane Fonda was right about the war is irrelevant and stupid. There were many who were right about it and didn't cause prisoners to be tortured, or give solace to the enemy.

Jane Fonda will burn in hell as she deserves.

More myth
Fonda did not cause prisoners to be tortured

Revisionist history from lefties? No surprise there. She absolutely did. Former POWs said so and I believe them more than you.

One of those fabricated stories that Conservatives emailed to each other for decades
Did you see what Jane Fonda did!

Did Jane Fonda Betray US POWs by Handing Over Messages to North Vietnamese Captors?

The long-standing claim that Jane Fonda turned smuggled messages from U.S. POWs over to their North Vietnamese captors is false.

www.snopes.com

 

[Lastamender]

Fonda's buddy John Kerry bragged about being a war criminal, lied about his service, lied to Congress under oath about war crimes and the American soldier, and met with enemy representatives while we were at war. And the American commie hippies loves him for it. Being a traitor was the fashion and still is with some.

You forgot.....SWIFTBOAT!

You forgot Kerry is a piece of shit.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Fonda's buddy John Kerry bragged about being a war criminal, lied about his service, lied to Congress under oath about war crimes and the American soldier, and met with enemy representatives while we were at war. And the American commie hippies loves him for it. Being a traitor was the fashion and still is with some.

You forgot.....SWIFTBOAT!

Yeah, thanks, he also whined until they let him abandon his boat crew and the duty he had volunteered for.

 

[rightwinger]

Fonda's buddy John Kerry bragged about being a war criminal, lied about his service, lied to Congress under oath about war crimes and the American soldier, and met with enemy representatives while we were at war. And the American commie hippies loves him for it. Being a traitor was the fashion and still is with some.

You forgot.....SWIFTBOAT!

Yeah, thanks, he also whined until they let him abandon his boat crew and the duty he had volunteered for.

Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner!

 

[White 6]

Jane Fonda was right about her objection to the war
Millions died unnecessarily

Blame Bob Hope

When we have troops is the field, you don't go to the war zone to be photographed with the enemy supporting the enemy of your won troop, and making propaganda use of captured US troops unless you are a traitorous, spoiled bitch. She will always be Hanoi Jane.

And you don’t lie to the American people to engage in a senseless war and wrap yourself in the American Flag while doing it.

Jane Fonda was more patriotic than the war hawks

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

She was also around 30 or older, so they can't claim she was just a 'naive yoof', either.

Naive, stupid and UN-American, but not a yute. Definitely old enough to know better and be held accountable for her traitorous actions.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Hanoi Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in America by every serviceman except for a few traitors such as you.

Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of America and South Vietnam, then a free country with free elections, not that you ever gave a shit.

Fonda said, "If you knew communism like I do, you would get down on your knees and pray that America will become communist."

This filthy whore went on to marry billionaire Leftist Ted Turner. And you love her.

This filthy whore also was looking up the gun sights of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and declared, "Oh if I had one of those airplanes in my sights right now....."

She wanted to kill an American pilot, and you declare her to be your hero. You're a disgusting coward and traitor.

 

[ChemEngineer]

peer review is only needed when the facts dont support the hypothesis,,

Peer review is a sham. Peer reviewed papers have been shown to have as much fraud and errors as non-peer reviewed.

 

[Mr Natural]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Hanoi Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in America by every serviceman except for a few traitors such as you.

Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of America and South Vietnam, then a free country with free elections, not that you ever gave a shit.

Fonda said, "If you knew communism like I do, you would get down on your knees and pray that America will become communist."

This filthy whore went on to marry billionaire Leftist Ted Turner. And you love her.

This filthy whore also was looking up the gun sights of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and declared, "Oh if I had one of those airplanes in my sights right now....."

She wanted to kill an American pilot, and you declare her to be your hero. You're a disgusting coward and traitor.

Hey, asshole, the traitors of the day were the politicians enslaving young men to go die for no good reason in some meaningless military escapade.

 

[JustAGuy1]

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

Jane Fonda admits she made mistakes and has apologized for what she said about soldiers but not for opposing the war.

Most of those who pushed us into an unnecessary war have not apologized

Rewriting history again? That war belonged to JFK and LBJ.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Hanoi Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in America by every serviceman except for a few traitors such as you.

Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of America and South Vietnam, then a free country with free elections, not that you ever gave a shit.

Fonda said, "If you knew communism like I do, you would get down on your knees and pray that America will become communist."

This filthy whore went on to marry billionaire Leftist Ted Turner. And you love her.

This filthy whore also was looking up the gun sights of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and declared, "Oh if I had one of those airplanes in my sights right now....."

She wanted to kill an American pilot, and you declare her to be your hero. You're a disgusting coward and traitor.

Hey, asshole, the traitors of the day were the politicians enslaving young men to go die for no good reason in some stupid military escapade.

JFK tried to get out of it and they killed him. LBJ left it for Nixon, Nixon tried to stop the supply lines just got us into it deeper.

 

[rightwinger]

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

Jane Fonda admits she made mistakes and has apologized for what she said about soldiers but not for opposing the war.

Most of those who pushed us into an unnecessary war have not apologized

Rewriting history again? That war belonged to JFK and LBJ.

OK

Get into your Wayback Machine and find me some Republicans in the 1960s who opposed Vietnam intervention.

Better yet, find me any Republican who opposed the war

 

[rightwinger]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Hanoi Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in America by every serviceman except for a few traitors such as you.

Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of America and South Vietnam, then a free country with free elections, not that you ever gave a shit.

Fonda said, "If you knew communism like I do, you would get down on your knees and pray that America will become communist."

This filthy whore went on to marry billionaire Leftist Ted Turner. And you love her.

This filthy whore also was looking up the gun sights of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and declared, "Oh if I had one of those airplanes in my sights right now....."

She wanted to kill an American pilot, and you declare her to be your hero. You're a disgusting coward and traitor.

Hey, asshole, the traitors of the day were the politicians enslaving young men to go die for no good reason in some stupid military escapade.

JFK tried to get out of it and they killed him. LBJ left it for Nixon, Nixon tried to stop the supply lines just got us into it deeper.

Nixon started the Paris Peace Talks and then tried to bomb our way to better terms

He failed

 

[JustAGuy1]

She admitted she betrayed our country, no room for you to try to change history.

Jane Fonda admits she made mistakes and has apologized for what she said about soldiers but not for opposing the war.

Most of those who pushed us into an unnecessary war have not apologized

Rewriting history again? That war belonged to JFK and LBJ.

OK

Get into your Wayback Machine and find me some Republicans in the 1960s who opposed Vietnam intervention.

Better yet, find me any Republican who opposed the war

Get over yourself son, We actually got involved under Ike, JFK upped it as did LBJ. Nixon frosted the cake. You ALWAYS want to try and deflect, I won't let you. By the way, I'm not a Pub either.

 

[Mr Natural]

As I recall, Nixon had a secret plan that would be revealed once he was re-elected.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Fifty thousand young guys (many enslaved via the draft) died needlessly in that fucking useless fiasco. It made me ashamed to be an American.

I escaped it by joining the Navy.

And Jane Fonda remains a hero of mine for doing what she did.

Hanoi Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in America by every serviceman except for a few traitors such as you.

Fonda gave aid and comfort to the enemy of America and South Vietnam, then a free country with free elections, not that you ever gave a shit.

Fonda said, "If you knew communism like I do, you would get down on your knees and pray that America will become communist."

This filthy whore went on to marry billionaire Leftist Ted Turner. And you love her.

This filthy whore also was looking up the gun sights of a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun and declared, "Oh if I had one of those airplanes in my sights right now....."

She wanted to kill an American pilot, and you declare her to be your hero. You're a disgusting coward and traitor.

Hey, asshole, the traitors of the day were the politicians enslaving young men to go die for no good reason in some stupid military escapade.

JFK tried to get out of it and they killed him. LBJ left it for Nixon, Nixon tried to stop the supply lines just got us into it deeper.

Nixon started the Paris Peace Talks and then tried to bomb our way to better terms

He failed

I already said that, do try and keep up.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

America left Vietnam completely defeated. Their folly to eradicate communism in another country was a waste of 55000 lives and hundreds of thousands of injuries. The military left like a kicked dog.
The democrats had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's a typical Republican view wanting to blame democrats for everything. How pathetic.

I lived through it. When the US pulled out, the North was defeated, Haiphong harbor was blocked by mines, the rail and road links to the PRC were destroyed, North Vietnam wasn't receiving any supplies from the USSR or the PRC anymore. it was out of weapons' and ammo, it's people were nearing starvation, and the Viet Cong were completely destroyed. The North sued for peace on the US's terms in Paris. By any objective standards The People's Republic of Vietnam was defeated.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Jane Fonda gave material and propaganda aid to the enemy during time of war and was a blatant traitor and should have been executed for her crimes against our Nation.

The blatant traitors were those who lied to the public about the purpose of the war and our prospects of winning. The give us 100,000 more boys and we will wrap it up by Christmas.
They killed millions, Fonda killed nobody and saved lives by turning the public against the war.

Her outright lies and propaganda unjustly turned many alleged Americans against American soldiers and one Vietnam veteran still commits suicide every 22 minutes. Thanks Jane you scum sucking bitch!

You can‘t be serious
Vietnam Veterans kill themselves because of Jane Fonda?

They kill themselves because American leaders sold them out and put them in a conflict they could not win. They killed a lot of people but could not win.

Of course American leaders sold them out right along with the South Vietnamese. The only reason the war was so protracted and is sometimes seen as a loss is because American leaders refused to let us win it.

No you were not going to “win it”
You would have been tied up in Vietnam for decades suffering extended guerilla warfare

Actually we had won it till democrats sold out the South Vietnam Government in 74 and 75.

I know...the old, Give us a hundred thousand more boys and we will wrap this up by Christmas

Victory is just around the corner

Wrong the South Vietnamesee proved in 72 they could win against the North with out US combat troops. in 75 the democrats had cut their supplies off and reneged on the deal for artillery and air support, the North was just probing the line in force and when they realized the state of the souths units and no US air support they sent 25 divisions against the 12 of South Vietnam.

Wrong

The North had kept the fight up for 25 years. They were not about to quit.
They did not quit while the mighty US forces were there, why would they quit after they left?

Look moron the south successfully stopped the North Vietnamese in a major campaign in72 and would have done the same in 75

You said it yourself
The North had 25 Divisions, the South had 12.
The South was in a Defensive perimeter around Saigon, the North had the rest.
Their days were numbered.

The US didnt care as long as we got our asses out of there
The public didn’t care either

wrong with our airpower and artillery we coud stop the north with the south providing the armor ad Infantry.

We had our AirPower, artillery AND hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for seven years and it didn’t stop them.

We have 60,000 dead to prove it

Actually it did stop them and it helped wipe out the viet cong, Or perhaps you can list for us the times the NV took territory while the US was there?

That is what was wrong about the US strategy in Vietnam
It was never about territory and body counts. It was about the hearts and minds of the people.
Western occupiers were never welcome. As long as the French or US was there, you were going to face resistance.

After 72 South Vietnam was stable.

How could they be “stable” with so many N Vietnamese troops occupying Southern territory?

They were stable to allow US troops to withdraw

the south had only a little of North Vietnam occupying territory, the Viet Cong were destroyed and the military was confident in it's abilities.

You can’t destroy guerilla forces. They just disappear into the brush looking for an opportunity. The Viet Cong were not going away....especially with the US forces out of the way.

Same goes for the Taliban

look you moron the Viet Cong destroyed themselves in the TET offensive. If you want to be taken seriously learn a few real facts.

Took a licking but never disappeared
If they were so destroyed and there was no threat from the North......Why did S Vietnam fall like a cheap folding table?

They were provided the best equipment, supplies and training
But they were an inept force

The Republic of Vietnam didn't fall to the Viet Cong, it fell to a mechanized invasion force supplied and trained by the Russians. The Russians provided that force at no cost to the People's Republic of Vietnam and turned the PAVN from a light infantry army designed for a failed guerilla war into a heavy armor and mechanized army designed to invade a peaceful neighbor. The only that army was able to succeed was that the US congress, led by the anti-war democrats, first cut off all aid to The Republic of Vietnam, then reneged on our treaty obligations to support the South Vietnamese government ion the face of North Vietnamese aggression. The Viet Cong were destroyed by Tet, their leadership was destroyed and the remains were hated by the very people that had been terrorized into supporting them for years. The PRVN stopped supporting the Viet Cong after it failed then during Tet so the VC faded away.