Video shows Ahmaud Arbery Was caught breaking and entering an unfinished property, then towards McMichael‘s house

[beagle9]

The citizen’s arrest law stipulates that the arresting citizen must have witnessed the crime as it was in progress or have immediate knowledge of such a crime identifying the criminal in the act.

There was no act of citizens arrest there was an act of following while on the phone with the police. Up until the point Aubrey decided to charge an attack Travis who is protecting himself with a gun

Following on foot or while in a truck ? At what point does anyone exit the truck, and why did they exit the truck ?

Does it matter? Is that against the law?

It could be (possibility) as based upon the acts or events that followed next. If they placed themselves and the victim in danger by their actions (Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law right), then they will have to answer for that.

Not sure what the verdict will be, but the courts will have a job on their hands getting it right for everyone involved. Once it entered the street, jurisdiction became law enforcements, and not a civilians responsibility unless self defense was needed for the aid of a person in distress or that person being endangerd by another if of course that was needed.

This is what happens when people decide to take the law into their own hands, otherwise when lives weren't immediately being threatened in the situation. Yeah maybe Arbery was a thief, a criminal, a piece of work, but was it these guy's job to confront him out on the street ? What a mess.

Get some training people or use some common sense already. Hopefully cases like this show people the err of their ways, and how people need to learn better about all aspects of these types of situations if thinking about doing the job of law enforcement. Yes, self defense is absolutely a right, but a right that needs to be protected with being educated in every aspect of its implementation of it.

Did TM's former duties as a police officer cause him to feel freerer as a citizen somehow to do such things, otherwise to perform police duties with ease, but not realizing that he no longer has the state to protect him due to his retirement, and worse involving family members in the situation before thinking it all through ??

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

Ok

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

 

[Jitss617]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

We have a video of a black darting at Travis the hero. Facts

 

[NotfooledbyW]

We have a video of a black darting at Travis the hero. Facts

That is a lie. You have a video Showing what happened after the first shot was fired. That is a big deal in a courtroom.

Travis M was in front of the truck when the first shot was fired.

 

[Jitss617]

We have a video of a black darting at Travis the hero. Facts

Huh?

 

[Norman]

The two heroes had the right to stop Arbery for him fleeing from suspected felony.

That's where all the ifs and buts end. Whether Arbery committed a felony is irrelevant.

Of course the idiots here pretend that now anything warrants a "kidnapping". That is ridiculous, don't repeatedly commit highly suspicious activity / steal things / run from police and it won't ever be a problem. The basic problem is that they see Arbery as not having done anything wrong, while the fact is he constantly did things wrong by entering property with no trespassing sign, fleeing from 911 and all the other...

Did you say don't run from police ??

I hope! But when we see James fields in jail
For defending his rights, something isn’t right.. I still can’t understand how a road full of hate, sticks, rocks, wasn't a threat to ppl in cars.

There was a video showing him committing a crime with his car used as weapon.

No he was in fear of his life and trying to escape.

Miscarriages of justice happens and his was one of those.

Fearing for your life that you are going to jail for committing crime is not legitimate.

 

[Norman]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

Detaining is legal if there is enough suspicion.

They have a good case even if there wasn't.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

There is zero evidence your theory is right about that picture being McMichaels' hat.

There is two pieces of evidence that it is Travis Adams. The first is as I pointed out the shadow. One man cannot make two shadows. One man cannot make two shadows.

Secondly the white hat belongs to TravisM and when you do it in slow motion you see the white hat moving from right to left and then later when Travis is behind the open door Arbery’s right shoulder is in the same spot where the gunman’s white hat was in the windshield.

So two different white spots in succession can be seen in the windshield at that exact same location. First Travis M’s hat. Second the joggers shoulder and his white shirt. Now how do you explain two white spots appearing in the windshield if Travis M was not one of them.

 

[Godboy]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

What proof do you have of anyone trying to detain him? Was Arbery handcuffed, or wrestled to the ground? If not, then you are a total fucktard.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Detaining is legal if there is enough suspicion.

Not if they displayed deadly weapons causing their suspect to fear that they could do violent harm to his person.

That became aggravated assault.

 

[Godboy]

Detaining is legal if there is enough suspicion.

Not if they displayed deadly weapons causing their suspect to fear that they could do violent harm to his person.

That became aggravated assault.

You have yet to provide a single shred of evidence that they were detaining him. It seems to me that they were following him, and even yelling at him to stop, but at no point did anyone try to "detain" him.

Arbery simply attacked a man with a shotgun, so now he is dead. All voiolent attacks should end up with the violent man being shot dead.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

What proof do you have of anyone trying to detain him? Was Arbery handcuffed, or wrestled to the ground? If not, then you are a total fucktard.

You idiot. Proof? The jogger is laying dead on the street in a pool of blood. If that’s not detained I don’t know what it is. And according to the police report Gregory M told police that his intent was to detain the suspect and hold him until police arrived.

That’s proof beyond a shadow of a doubt don’t you think.

 

[Godboy]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

What proof do you have of anyone trying to detain him? Was Arbery handcuffed, or wrestled to the ground? If not, then you are a total fucktard.

You idiot. Proof? The jogger is laying dead on the street in a pool of blood. If that’s not detained I don’t know what it is. And according to the police report Gregory M told please that his intent was to detain the suspect and hold him until police arrived.

That’s proof beyond a shadow of a doubt don’t you think

Shooting someone isnt "detaining" someone. How dumb ARE you? Quit using terms you dont understand.

 

[Godboy]

No Idea what your talking about it was self defense

The gunmen cannot claim self-defense because they are already in the act of committing a felony. It’s aggravated assault, a felony, when they try to detain a jogger with their deadly weapons.

And as the photos show. You cannot claim self-defense for the gunmen because you can’t see what happened in front of the truck as the first shot was fired.

What proof do you have of anyone trying to detain him? Was Arbery handcuffed, or wrestled to the ground? If not, then you are a total fucktard.

You idiot. Proof? The jogger is laying dead on the street in a pool of blood. If that’s not detained I don’t know what it is. And according to the police report Gregory M told please that his intent was to detain the suspect and hold him until police arrived.

That’s proof beyond a shadow of a doubt don’t you think

What he wanted to do and what he did are 2 different things. I might want to push you into a pile of shit, but i havent done it yet.

 

[beagle9]

We have a video of a black darting at Travis the hero. Facts

That is a lie. You have a video Showing what happened after the first shot was fired. That is a big deal in a courtroom.

Travis M was in front of the truck when the first shot was fired.

I saw a news clip video of a struggle between TM and Arbery for the weapon just left of the truck, where fist and swinging were taking place in the struggle. Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired. Now who anitiated that struggle once confronted, wasn't evident in the clip that I watched.

Now was Arbery just an innocent jogger out for a jog or not ??? If not then why the narrative to make it appear he was if it wasn't the case ?? Is the Michael Brown case being presented as a theory to be used in this case, and did you also believe that Brown was this innocent civilian just out for a stroll in the neighborhood until confronted by an officer who asked him to get out of the middle of the road when walking in the middle of the road ?? Was Arbery running in the middle of the road instead of on the side like a normal jogger would be running ? If suspected of a crime in the area, was it the right of the citizens to try and detain an alledged fleeing criminal, otherwise if it is known that infact the criminal was attempting to flee the area due to his criminal activity ??

If it is their right, then what did their rights allow them to do in the situation, and were they within their rights up until the situation went haywire ? Who caused it to go haywire ?

 

[beagle9]

The two heroes had the right to stop Arbery for him fleeing from suspected felony.

That's where all the ifs and buts end. Whether Arbery committed a felony is irrelevant.

Of course the idiots here pretend that now anything warrants a "kidnapping". That is ridiculous, don't repeatedly commit highly suspicious activity / steal things / run from police and it won't ever be a problem. The basic problem is that they see Arbery as not having done anything wrong, while the fact is he constantly did things wrong by entering property with no trespassing sign, fleeing from 911 and all the other...

Did you say don't run from police ??

I hope! But when we see James fields in jail
For defending his rights, something isn’t right.. I still can’t understand how a road full of hate, sticks, rocks, wasn't a threat to ppl in cars.

There was a video showing him committing a crime with his car used as weapon.

No he was in fear of his life and trying to escape.

Miscarriages of justice happens and his was one of those.

Fearing for your life that you are going to jail for committing crime is not legitimate.

You said running from police, were they the police ?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I saw a news clip video of a struggle between TM and Arbery for the weapon just left of the truck, where fist and swinging were taking place in the struggle. Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired.

You are messed up when you wrote “ Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired“. The motion of the two men was always from right to left starting unseen in front of the truck. The first shot was fired when both men were in front of the truck.

Then after the gun went off the continuation of movement leftward went on until both men were visible on the left side of the truck where you can see the fight for control if the shotgun which had already been fired.

They did not move back into the front of the truck a second time.

 

[Godboy]

I saw a news clip video of a struggle between TM and Arbery for the weapon just left of the truck, where fist and swinging were taking place in the struggle. Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired.

You are messed up when you wrote “ Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired“. The motion of the two men was always from right to left starting unseen in front of the truck. The first shot was fired when both men were in front of the truck.

Then after the gun went off the continuation of movement leftward went on until both men were visible on the left side of the truck where you can see the fight for control if the shotgun which had already been fired.

They did not move back into the front of the truck a second time.

Are you suggesting that Travis was waiting for Arbery to get to the front of the truck so he could shoot him, and are you saying that Arbery was merely jogging by, when a random man shot at him? First off, if that was the case, then how on earth did Travis miss? If he was waiting to shoot him the moment he got to the front of the truck, he would not have missed. Also, how on earth was Arbery able to react so fast and turn right towards Travis if he wasnt charging at him to begin with? Spiderman couldnt have reacted better to a surprise attack with a shotgun.

The scenario you are trying to convince us of is extremely unrealistic. Arbery was clearly charging at Travis from 100 feet away. Had he not turned the corner at the front of the truck and attacked Travis, he would be alive and in jail today.

 

[Jitss617]

I saw a news clip video of a struggle between TM and Arbery for the weapon just left of the truck, where fist and swinging were taking place in the struggle. Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired.

You are messed up when you wrote “ Yes they might have ended up in front of the truck where a gun was fired, but a struggle was in motion before that shot was fired“. The motion of the two men was always from right to left starting unseen in front of the truck. The first shot was fired when both men were in front of the truck.

Then after the gun went off the continuation of movement leftward went on until both men were visible on the left side of the truck where you can see the fight for control if the shotgun which had already been fired.

They did not move back into the front of the truck a second time.

Why did it take Travis so
Long to shoot Arbery if that was the intention?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

The citizen’s arrest law stipulates that the arresting citizen must have witnessed the crime as it was in progress or have immediate knowledge of such a crime identifying the criminal in the act.

There was no act of citizens arrest there was an act of following while on the phone with the police. Up until the point Aubrey decided to charge an attack Travis who is protecting himself with a gun

Following on foot or while in a truck ? At what point does anyone exit the truck, and why did they exit the truck ?

Does it matter? Is that against the law?

It could be (possibility) as based upon the acts or events that followed next. If they placed themselves and the victim in danger by their actions (Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law right), then they will have to answer for that.

Not sure what the verdict will be, but the courts will have a job on their hands getting it right for everyone involved. Once it entered the street, jurisdiction became law enforcements, and not a civilians responsibility unless self defense was needed for the aid of a person in distress or that person being endangerd by another if of course that was needed.

This is what happens when people decide to take the law into their own hands, otherwise when lives weren't immediately being threatened in the situation. Yeah maybe Arbery was a thief, a criminal, a piece of work, but was it these guy's job to confront him out on the street ? What a mess.

Get some training people or use some common sense already. Hopefully cases like this show people the err of their ways, and how people need to learn better about all aspects of these types of situations if thinking about doing the job of law enforcement. Yes, self defense is absolutely a right, but a right that needs to be protected with being educated in every aspect of its implementation of it.

Did TM's former duties as a police officer cause him to feel freerer as a citizen somehow to do such things, otherwise to perform police duties with ease, but not realizing that he no longer has the state to protect him due to his retirement, and worse involving family members in the situation before thinking it all through ??

Nope....you got it wrong. First of all Ahmaud could not have been in fear of his life when he ran towards MCMichales truck.

If one is in fear of his life he does not run towards what he feels is a threat to him, he runs in a different direction.

There was no danger to anyone until Ahmaud committed assault. As pointed out previously nothing that happened before that point gave Ahmaud any legal right to attack Travis. No matter if they were not justified in making a citizens arrest(which they did not do) no matter if Ahmaud had stole anything or not....all that is not relevant in this case.

Again this is a case of self defense. It is up to the defense team to convince the jury that Ahmaud committed assault which should be very easy to do with the aid of the video which clearly shows Ahmaud running across the front of the truck. If one watches the video very carefully or in slow motion it plainly seen that Ahmaud runs across the front of the truck to assault Travis McMichaels.

Also purportedly there are other things that exist but have not been brought out yet that will be helpful to the defense such as possibly the father may have also been making a video as he can be seen looking something like a camera whilst Ahmaud was attacking his son.

Once it is established to the jury that Travis was being attacked then that means Travis had a legal right to use lethal force to preserve his life and or to prevent grievious bodily harm. Any lawyer worth his salt knows this. Self defense 101.

It is obvious you have not followed the case as in you by your statements that reveal you do not know all the facts of the case such as the police dept were getting a lot of complaints about tresspassers in that neighborhood and they had made Greg McMichaels the father the person to go to if anyone saw anything suspicious going on. In a sense deputizing him as the one to consult regard the ongoing problem with the tresspassing

Thus your claim that the McMichaels had no business getting involved is even more spurious.

You seem to want to tell good citizens to go and hide if you see a criminal in your neighborhood. So ridiculous,

people have a absolute legal right to try and follow a suspect, which is all they did. People should try and help the police catch a criminal. Which they did by immediately calling the police and then following the suspect so they could tell the police where to go.

You can rest assured that Greg McMichaels having been in law enforcement for decades knew his rights and that he would have done nothing whatsoever of a illegal nature.

Your claim they took the law into their hands is outrageously false. Sounds like something you picked up from nbc, quite pathetic.

Regarding whether ahmaud was a threat to the community really was not known by them, though they had good reason to believe he was involved in crime and criminals often are armed and thus pose a threat to anyone around them and as we know ahmaud had taken a loaded pistol to school and was placed on five years probation for that which he soon violated....demonstrating he had no respect whatsoever for the law.

Thus it can easily be seen that he was a probable threat to society and possibly armed. Also he had a mental history which further increased the possibility of his danger to others...thus we see....he was a convicted criminal, a criminal who had access to a weapon, had mental problems and was apparantly involved in suspicious activities possibly burglary or tresspassing in that neighborhood where he was observed provoking a neighbor to call the police and also noticing the suspect taking out running as soon as he called the police...more suspicious behavior.

Thus the McMicahels armed themselves for their own safety. The McMichaels are good citizens with a history of helping their community and they should be lauded for their actions not attacked as the msm and their dupes are constantly doing.