Video: Israeli forces bring terror to Jerusalem hospital... this is crazy!

[Roudy]

So this WAS was a work accident. The terrorist was shot while throwing a flare.

 

[Shusha]

Now -- maybe Security had called their OWN ambulance and didn't want the suspect transported to the nearest hospital. But interfering with a Red Crescent authorized service is serious business. The guy (as far as I can determine) died within 40 minutes of the shooting. And at that point, you secure the Hospital and let the ambulance take him to the nearest. If you CAN'T do that -- you should rethink your "occupation" strategy...

It is very likely that they did not want the injured taken to the al-Makassed hospital (not the nearest, btw) because that hospital is known to collaborate with well, lets call them "rioters" in this case. (Which is, in fact, what happened). It is also possible that there is a security procedure in place with respect to reception of ambulances as riots. There would have to be. Was the ambulance blocked deliberately or was that just a part of the existing control of the the crowd? (My bet is on door #2). Why did the Israeli police forces fire a stun grenade at the ambulance? Was it possible they were not obeying accepted procedure? Were there other circumstances, like the riot moving that direction? They did permit the medics to treat the injured and remove him and take him to a hospital which was not the nearest one. You have to ask yourself WHY the Red Crescent authorized ambulance did not take him to the nearest hospital, don't you? Especially when he was so grievously injured and apparently bleeding out.

So, what is the "right" thing to do in this situation? Like you said, secure the nearest hospital and enforce the ambulance to take the injured to that hospital?

 

[flacaltenn]

So this WAS was a work accident. The terrorist was shot while throwing a flare.

Well, the good news is the family is probably eligible for "workmen's compensation".

Ya gotta ask at this point -- what kind of PARENTS would encourage this carnage? At least without WORKING towards some kind of representation and autonomy... They HAD a large part of that autonomy under the PA. There would have been PA Security forces disbanding these "demonstrations"...

 

[Roudy]

So this WAS was a work accident. The terrorist was shot while throwing a flare.

Well, the good news is the family is probably eligible for "workmen's compensation".

Ya gotta ask at this point -- what kind of PARENTS would encourage this carnage? At least without WORKING towards some kind of representation and autonomy... They HAD a large part of that autonomy under the PA. There would have been PA Security forces disbanding these "demonstrations"...

LOL I'm sure the Palestinian Workers Comp. Board will ensure that the deceased (diseased, actually) jihadi at least is ensured his 72 virgin Virginians or else lawsuits will be flying all over the West Bank!

They had their best years during the Clinton administration, Israelis were even investing and doing joint ventures in the West Bank, building wineries, clothing manufacturers, etc. It was an example that once you shut down the outside forces from influencing the continuation of the conflict, the two peoples can work with each other towards a better future for both. But then Arafat had to throw all of that away 'cause he wanted to keep getting those millions in his secret bank account for terrorism.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Four or five Border Police officers were standing in a lot nearby.

Israel has border police but no borders.

What a bunch of dumbfucks.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Now -- maybe Security had called their OWN ambulance and didn't want the suspect transported to the nearest hospital. But interfering with a Red Crescent authorized service is serious business. The guy (as far as I can determine) died within 40 minutes of the shooting. And at that point, you secure the Hospital and let the ambulance take him to the nearest. If you CAN'T do that -- you should rethink your "occupation" strategy...

It is very likely that they did not want the injured taken to the al-Makassed hospital (not the nearest, btw) because that hospital is known to collaborate with well, lets call them "rioters" in this case. (Which is, in fact, what happened). It is also possible that there is a security procedure in place with respect to reception of ambulances as riots. There would have to be. Was the ambulance blocked deliberately or was that just a part of the existing control of the the crowd? (My bet is on door #2). Why did the Israeli police forces fire a stun grenade at the ambulance? Was it possible they were not obeying accepted procedure? Were there other circumstances, like the riot moving that direction? They did permit the medics to treat the injured and remove him and take him to a hospital which was not the nearest one. You have to ask yourself WHY the Red Crescent authorized ambulance did not take him to the nearest hospital, don't you? Especially when he was so grievously injured and apparently bleeding out.

So, what is the "right" thing to do in this situation? Like you said, secure the nearest hospital and enforce the ambulance to take the injured to that hospital?

Thank you miss. speculation.

 

[Roudy]

Four or five Border Police officers were standing in a lot nearby.

Israel has border police but no borders.

What a bunch of dumbfucks.

Wow, did you read what you posted, "Israel has border police but no borders." Talk about dumbfucks.

 

[Linkiloo]

So this WAS was a work accident. The terrorist was shot while throwing a flare.

Well, the good news is the family is probably eligible for "workmen's compensation".

Ya gotta ask at this point -- what kind of PARENTS would encourage this carnage? At least without WORKING towards some kind of representation and autonomy... They HAD a large part of that autonomy under the PA. There would have been PA Security forces disbanding these "demonstrations"...

Yep, recently read that murderers families get more than € 3000 per month and teachers under a thousand. It pays to be a terrorist.

 

[montelatici]

So this WAS was a work accident. The terrorist was shot while throwing a flare.

Well, the good news is the family is probably eligible for "workmen's compensation".

Ya gotta ask at this point -- what kind of PARENTS would encourage this carnage? At least without WORKING towards some kind of representation and autonomy... They HAD a large part of that autonomy under the PA. There would have been PA Security forces disbanding these "demonstrations"...

Yep, recently read that murderers families get more than € 3000 per month and teachers under a thousand. It pays to be a terrorist.

People under colonoal occupation cannot be terrorists by definition. If that were the case, the Native Americans would be considered terrorists when they attacked and killed European settlers. Were the Native Americans settlers or freedom fighters?

 

[louie888]

People with reading issues do a lot of stupid things. They pepper sprayed an empty room. Pepper spray doesn't travel very well. Wouldn't suspect you'd know enough to draw that conclusion.

YOU DON'T GAS ROOMS IN A MATERNITY WARD. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

They did not apparently grab him off his stretcher.

DID YOU READ SHUSHA'S LINK AS YOU CLAIMED?

Reception and ER:

A large contingent of police officers and Border Police went into the entrance hall leading to the reception area and to the ER on the ground floor, at the entrance to the hospital. Doctors, medical staff and other people who were there tried to push the wounded Abu Ghanam, who was lying on a bed hooked up to oxygen and a blood transfusion, into an elevator to take him to an operating room on the second floor. The officers tried to forcefully seize the bed...

I am sick of pointing out your idiotic lies, but I will continue to do this as long as you continue to lie.

 

[Roudy]

People with reading issues do a lot of stupid things. They pepper sprayed an empty room. Pepper spray doesn't travel very well. Wouldn't suspect you'd know enough to draw that conclusion.

YOU DON'T GAS ROOMS IN A MATERNITY WARD. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

They did not apparently grab him off his stretcher.

DID YOU READ SHUSHA'S LINK AS YOU CLAIMED?

Reception and ER:

A large contingent of police officers and Border Police went into the entrance hall leading to the reception area and to the ER on the ground floor, at the entrance to the hospital. Doctors, medical staff and other people who were there tried to push the wounded Abu Ghanam, who was lying on a bed hooked up to oxygen and a blood transfusion, into an elevator to take him to an operating room on the second floor. The officers tried to forcefully seize the bed...

I am sick of pointing out your idiotic lies, but I will continue to do this as long as you continue to lie.

Gee...the Isrselis tried to seize the bed of a flame throwing Palestinian terrorist animal. The horror, the horror...

 

[flacaltenn]

People with reading issues do a lot of stupid things. They pepper sprayed an empty room. Pepper spray doesn't travel very well. Wouldn't suspect you'd know enough to draw that conclusion.

YOU DON'T GAS ROOMS IN A MATERNITY WARD. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.

They did not apparently grab him off his stretcher.

DID YOU READ SHUSHA'S LINK AS YOU CLAIMED?

Reception and ER:

A large contingent of police officers and Border Police went into the entrance hall leading to the reception area and to the ER on the ground floor, at the entrance to the hospital. Doctors, medical staff and other people who were there tried to push the wounded Abu Ghanam, who was lying on a bed hooked up to oxygen and a blood transfusion, into an elevator to take him to an operating room on the second floor. The officers tried to forcefully seize the bed...

I am sick of pointing out your idiotic lies, but I will continue to do this as long as you continue to lie.

TRIED to.. Didn't interfere with moving him to X-ray.. LOST CONTROL of the body.

 

[Shusha]

due to a physical conflict between youth and security outside and within the hospital serious enough to require some sorts of riot control measures (like pepper spray) and ultimately lost by the police forces.

 

[louie888]

due to a physical conflict between youth and security outside and within the hospital serious enough to require some sorts of riot control measures (like pepper spray) and ultimately lost by the police forces.

Both you and cloudy and everyone else trying to spin this is FULL OF SHIT.

Many of the protests in Jerusalem’s Old City began peacefully, involving collective prayers in the streets outside the al-Aqsa compound, but descended into violence when Israeli forces attempted to disperse the protests using tear gas and rubber bullets. Protesters responded by throwing water bottles.
Israeli forces carry out violent hospital raids in ruthless display of force - Amnesty International Ireland

They were protesting peacefully and were shot at. One kid made it the hospital and after the jewish terrorists raided it with their automatic weapons and tried to get this kid off his stretcher as he was bleeding out died.

 

[Shusha]

They were protesting peacefully and were shot at. One kid made it the hospital and after the jewish terrorists raided it with their automatic weapons and tried to get this kid off his stretcher as he was bleeding out died.

Peaceful? He was throwing potentially lethal weapons at police officers. Can you really be that naive?

 

[louie888]

You have no idea what that picture is of.

You are sick and disgusting for trying to twist peaceful protestors who responded by throwing water bottles after they were shot at to that picture.

I will go with Amnesty on this one, sorry.

 

[Shusha]

Hmmmmm. Those don't much look like water bottles in the hands of the rioters in the photo I posted.

Abu Ghannem was injured at a-Tur, where rioters were enacting a Day of Rage at the behest of their government, using potentially deadly weapons including rocks, concrete blocks, flares and molotovs. The injured was lighting a flare at the moment he was injured.

 

[louie888]

Hmmmmm. Those don't much look like water bottles in the hands of the rioters in the photo I posted.

That photo could be from anywhere. Hasbara likely created it just for you.

I am sticking with the most well respected human rights group on earth as opposed to you, a known liar.

 

[Shusha]

The B'tselem report, which is the source of your OP states this:

Muhammad Ghanam, the youth that the police were seeking, came with his friends earlier that day to a junction between the neighborhoods of a-Tur and a-Swaneh. Four or five Border Police officers were standing in a lot nearby. Shortly before 3:30 P.M., clashes developed between Border Police officers, who fired teargas grenades, and the youths, who threw stones and flares at them. Abu Ghanam and his two friends ran towards a-Sheikh ‘Anbar Street in the neighbourhood. Ghanam paused momentarily and tried to light a flare to throw at four Border Police officers who were several meters away. Some of the officers opened fire, injuring him.


So your claim of "peaceful protests" is false. Unless you were wanting to claim that your source is incorrect.

 

[louie888]

The jewish source claimed that they threw stones and flares after they were shot at. Amnesty claims they threw water bottles after being shot at.

Either way, both sources mention peaceful protests until they were shot at, effin moron.