Verdict reached in Karmelo murder trial

[DigitalDrifter]

Show me where the school SOP says you can bring a knife if someone pulled a gun on you once upon a time. Hearsay is all that is. There was NEVER any evidence presented in Court that Ramirez pulled a gun on Allison, so that NEVER factored into the equation. You fools just make up bullshit as we go. When I was in HS plenty of cats carried pocket knives, besides that he was carrying a

Walmart Ozark Trail 6-in-1 multitool with a 3.5-inch serrated blade.​

It's a deadly weapon.

 

[JoeB131]

No he did not. He admitted to a lesser charge and begged forgiveness. This is what blacks do, constantly. Over and over. They really think that black victimhood is going to get them points. No matter how many times it doesn't work, they still think they are special.

He didn't admit to a lesser charge.

The case went to jury

Texas jury returns verdict in 2022 stabbing death of high school classmate: report

A jury has found a Texas teen accused of killing a classmate in a school bathroom following an altercation in May 2022 not guilty of murder, but instead of a lesser charge.

www.foxnews.com

A jury has decided the fate of a Texas teen who was charged with allegedly stabbing his high school classmate to death in a bathroom in 2022, finding him not guilty of murder and guilty of criminally negligent homicide.

After being unable to reach a verdict on Monday and tabling court till Tuesday, KWTX reported that a Bell County jury announced that they did not find Caysen Allison guilty of murder in the stabbing death of Joe Ramirez Jr. at Belton High School in May 2022.


Allison’s defense argued he acted in self-defense in a "fight for his life" after he was attacked by Ramirez in the school’s bathroom.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Something is not hearsay when there's an actual witness to the incident and they testified under oath to that effect. Ramirez himself wasn't the one with the gun, but someone else in his group did pull it on Allison during the after party. No one is going to feel more safe just because one of the minions of the bully pulled a gun and not the bully himself. When that same group corners you in a bathroom, and then attacks you, you have no clue what's going to happen next. You are kidding yourself, if you think it wouldn't be a natural instinct to go for a weapon in that situation. That's heat of the moment. What Anthony did was not. He was asked to leave, refused, dared anyone to make him and used that knife exactly how he intended even when not even threatened in any way. That's the kind of stuff that will get you 35 years if you plead self defense.

It's premeditation

 

[EvilCat Breath]

What he admitted to means nothing

It WAS the same thing

https://www.kcentv.com/article/news/local/sentencing-hearing-caysen-allison-for-fatal-stabbing-joe-ramirez-belton-high-school/500-fafdd0a9-c7de-419c-ba4c-a41db2b570b8

Exactly. And if Karmelo would not have relied on an "I'm the real victim here, it would have been the same result.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

He didn't admit to a lesser charge.

The case went to jury

Texas jury returns verdict in 2022 stabbing death of high school classmate: report

A jury has found a Texas teen accused of killing a classmate in a school bathroom following an altercation in May 2022 not guilty of murder, but instead of a lesser charge.

www.foxnews.com

A jury has decided the fate of a Texas teen who was charged with allegedly stabbing his high school classmate to death in a bathroom in 2022, finding him not guilty of murder and guilty of criminally negligent homicide.

After being unable to reach a verdict on Monday and tabling court till Tuesday, KWTX reported that a Bell County jury announced that they did not find Caysen Allison guilty of murder in the stabbing death of Joe Ramirez Jr. at Belton High School in May 2022.

Allison’s defense argued he acted in self-defense in a "fight for his life" after he was attacked by Ramirez in the school’s bathroom.

Making the case for a lesser charge was the attorney's job. He did it well.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Caysen Allison did the same thing.

He got 10 years

Because he's white.

Different counties, different facts, different lawyers, different judge, different witnesses, different people on the jury, different arguments, different trial strateges, etc. Did Caysen Allison put on mitigation evidence in the sentencing phase more than just his Mom asking for mercy? Were there witnesses talking about his childhood, etc.? Were there expert witness testifying about him in the sentencing phase? Perhaps if Mr. Anthony testified during the guilt / innocense phase and/or in the sentencing phase, he would have received a lower sentence or even a manslaughter conviction instead of murder. There are many, many reasons why there are different sentences in seemingly similar cases.

 

[Lesh]

Exactly. And if Karmelo would not have relied on an "I'm the real victim here, it would have been the same result.

Bullshit

 

[krichton]

So, it is irrelevant and you still haven't shown where you can bring a knife to school because someone pulled a gun on you at a party. According to the prosecution’s account, Caysen Allison allegedly cornered Jose Luis “Joe” Ramirez in the Belton High School bathroom after the fight began. That wasn't the heat of the moment, he could have gone to a different bathroom, he went there to fight or kill that kid. It's amazing how you try to change the narrative to justify this kid stabbing another kid to death.

What's there to show? You just put in your pocket or bag and bring it. Who exactly was arguing that it's well within school rules to do so?

"Cornered" Even the prosecution never claimed Allison "corned" Ramirez. You can't corner 5 boys with 2. But supposing your alternate reality version exists. Why would Allison then tell Ramirez he didn't want to fight if he was "cornering" him? This was captured on video and it was confirmed by multiple witnesses. Additional eyewitness accounts also said Allison tried to leave but was prevented! Some "cornering" on his part!!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Bullshit

Yeah, that's what they say when they are being led away in handcuffs.

 

[Jroc]

I don't have a problem.

Most of what I write is my own stuff.

That wasn't before s*** like usual

 

[Jroc]

Caysen Allison did the same thing.

He got 10 years

Because he's white.

One day you're going to learn your proclamations don't mean anything

 

[airplanemechanic]

One day you're going to learn your proclamations don't mean anything

Blacks, and stupid whites apparently, just don't understand that you CANNOT be committing a crime and then provoke someone and then call it self defense. Even if you aren't the first person to make physical contact, if you PROVOKE, knowing you are armed, self defense no longer applies. This holds especially true in instances where you are committing a crime, such as trespassing.

For instance, if I confront someone on my property who is trespassing and they are armed, they cannot claim self defense saying that I provoked the encounter. Because had THEY not been trespassing on my property, there would have been no encounter. In fact, quite the contrary, I can claim self defense in the event of a shooting because I had a right to be where I was and I have a right to confront and remove trespassers from my property.

But in this case, he has no right to be where he was, he was asked to leave, and then he turned into a ghetto negro. Now he's an incarcerated ghetto negro. I hope he thinks it was worth it.

You CANNOT be the one who started the confrontation and then claim self defense. PERIOD.

You CANNOT be committing a crime at the time and then claim self defense. PERIOD.

These two things are non-negotiable and absolutes in the eyes of the law. Anyone who has a concealed carry permit and has taken the required training to get one, knows this already. They spend half the class telling you where you CANNOT carry, such as bars, hospitals, etc. You also can't carry into any private businesses that state that they ban firearms. If you do, without the owners permission, you are considered an armed trespasser at that point.

Carrying a weapon for self defense comes with a LOT of responsibility for your own behavior. You must stay SQUEAKY CLEAN in order to be able to claim self defense using your weapon because once you claim self defense, the burden shifts to YOU to PROVE it. At that point, you DO have to prove you are innocent of murder because once you claim self defense, you are admitting that you did it. You're just trying to prove WHY you did it.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

What's there to show? You just put in your pocket or bag and bring it. Who exactly was arguing that it's well within school rules to do so?

"Cornered" Even the prosecution never claimed Allison "corned" Ramirez. You can't corner 5 boys with 2. But supposing your alternate reality version exists. Why would Allison then tell Ramirez he didn't want to fight if he was "cornering" him? This was captured on video and it was confirmed by multiple witnesses. Additional eyewitness accounts also said Allison tried to leave but was prevented! Some "cornering" on his part!!

The simple fact that you folks are trying to justify Allison carrying a knife on school grounds, but you condemn Karmelo for it.

Caysen Allison Murder Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict in Case Involving Teen’s Fatal Stabbing in High School Bathroom

A Bell County jury in Texas found Caysen Allison not guilty of murder but convicted him of criminally negligent homicide. After hearing closing arguments from both the prosecution and defense, jurors received their instructions Monday and began deliberating. They reached the verdict on Tuesday...

www.crimeonline.com

Ramirez did not ambush or corner Allison; the confrontation in the bathroom was unplanned, and Allison was reportedly trying to avoid a fight before Ramirez threw the first punch.​

You are making up the story as you go.

 

[Lisa558]

Joe loves to run interference.

Just pray he’s never on a jury where a black is the thug and a white is his victim.

 

[Lesh]

Different counties, different facts, different lawyers, different judge, different witnesses, different people on the jury, different arguments, different trial strateges, etc. Did Caysen Allison put on mitigation evidence in the sentencing phase more than just his Mom asking for mercy? Were there witnesses talking about his childhood, etc.? Were there expert witness testifying about him in the sentencing phase? Perhaps if Mr. Anthony testified during the guilt / innocense phase and/or in the sentencing phase, he would have received a lower sentence or even a manslaughter conviction instead of murder. There are many, many reasons why there are different sentences in seemingly similar cases.

Many reasons but t the most glaring one was skin color

 

[JoeB131]

No he did not. He admitted to a lesser charge and begged forgiveness. This is what blacks do, constantly. Over and over. They really think that black victimhood is going to get them points. No matter how many times it doesn't work, they still think they are special.

He didn't admit to anything. He claimed self-defense because THIS kid was going to beat him up.

No, seriously, this was the kid he was so terrified of that he had to stab him five times.

So the white kid gets a reduced charge (The jury originally recommended 2 years, but the judge imposed 10) but the black kid gets 35 years for defending himself against two much bigger kids?

It's not about "black victimhood", it's about "White privilege".

 

[krichton]

The simple fact that you folks are trying to justify Allison carrying a knife on school grounds, but you condemn Karmelo for it.

Because Karmelo had zero reason to have a knife on him, aside from the desire to use it the first chance he got, which is precisely what happened. Nuff said.

Caysen Allison Murder Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict in Case Involving Teen’s Fatal Stabbing in High School Bathroom

A Bell County jury in Texas found Caysen Allison not guilty of murder but convicted him of criminally negligent homicide. After hearing closing arguments from both the prosecution and defense, jurors received their instructions Monday and began deliberating. They reached the verdict on Tuesday...

www.crimeonline.com

Ramirez did not ambush or corner Allison; the confrontation in the bathroom was unplanned, and Allison was reportedly trying to avoid a fight before Ramirez threw the first punch.​

You are making up the story as you go.

It's funny that you would actually link a article that confirms everything I've said earlier, but then claim I'm making everything up as I go. Are you on medication? Thanks for the confirmation btw.

 

[JoeB131]

Making the case for a lesser charge was the attorney's job. He did it well.

Well, easy to make a case when you have white privilege, isn't it?

Different counties, different facts, different lawyers, different judge, different witnesses, different people on the jury, different arguments, different trial strateges, etc.

Um, no. Only meaningful difference.
Caysen was white
Anthony was black.

I'm just amazed that you guys try to pretend that racism isn't alive in well in this country. Oh, it had to be different counties! that's it!

 

[JoeB131]

Because Karmelo had zero reason to have a knife on him, aside from the desire to use it the first chance he got, which is precisely what happened. Nuff said.

Caysen had zero reason to have a knife on him, except he was plannnig to fight Ramirez.

Who frankly, looks like kind of a wimpy kid in his picture.

 

[Hafar1014]

He didn't admit to anything. He claimed self-defense because THIS kid was going to beat him up.

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No, seriously, this was the kid he was so terrified of that he had to stab him five times.

So the white kid gets a reduced charge (The jury originally recommended 2 years, but the judge imposed 10) but the black kid gets 35 years for defending himself against two much bigger kids?

It's not about "black victimhood", it's about "White privilege".

Different cases have different outcomes. The black kid provoked the incident and had a knife. Thats intent as well as pure stupidity. Lock his dumb ass up