USMB Official 2020 Debate Thread -- Round 2..

Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths.
i've seen donny in action for 40 years. so um ... ya... character... or in donny's case - the lack of it, certainly should be a factor.

the results so far under a trump administration?

a completely fractured society
a world embarrassment
hundreds of thousands of people dying from a virus - with no end in sight - that was preventable
people in food lines reminiscent of the great depression
20,000,000 could lose their healthcare in the middle of a pandemic
women could be forced back to using hangers
back to being exposed to filthy air, CONtaminated water,& cancer laden food.


& you want even more.
Cry, cry, cry all you want, but crying dont change the facts.
With my wife and the good Lord as my witness, when Obama was elected, I wasnt happy, but I told my wife and others, that it was only fair to give him a chance, and "we the people" did.
Thats why Trump is president now.
Americans are tired of politicians, so why dont you understand that ?
Character, feelings ??? Ha !!! Not this time.
This time .... Look at this country where is heading? Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths.
What’s the plan Mr. President?
NOTHING NONE....

But busy.........
Dicking with old emails, Hunter Biden, Coronavirus will just go away, kissing Putin, spreading disinformation,CV super spreader, non sense tweets, non stop lies, Qanon supporter etc etc etc....
So tell me why people still vote for this Dude. Literally destroyed this country.
Every single point you just described were caused by two factors, China and Biden family.
It was NOT Trumps fault.
Let me know if you want me to repeat it.
Every single point I made has nothing to do with China and Biden..... If you have any thing ..... lay it out.
Seriously ?
Well I guess we could take this in baby steps.
You said "Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths."
So was this Trump or China's fault ?
But before you reply, remember how this country was doing prior to the China virus. Now if you are blatant enough to deny those attributes prior to the China virus, then we might have some difficulty.
So again, was this Trump or China's fault ?

Seriously?
Of course all my post are very serious and straight facts and realities. What difference does it make from Trump supporters like yourself? No matter........ How Wrong vs Wrong and Bad vs Bad ...... 2 thumbs up Mr. President.

Just an example......... LIBERATE LIBERATE, WHITE POWER, KUNG FLU, STAND BACK STAND BY, QANON SUPPORTER, OSAMA BL ATILL ALIVE. Guarantee you 100% 2 thumbs up Mr. President. Tell me if I am wrong.


Your question...... Coronavirus is it Trump or China’s fault? Just because Trump told you that .......
1. it’s China’s fault for letting it get out doesn't mean it’s true. How in the world anyone could say something that dumb? Did the Chinese knew it’s a pandemic at the beginning? Did they knew it’s going to be crisis? Did they knew it’s a new virus?

2. December, January and February while China is in full scale war with Wuhan virus (earlier name). February 28 in S. Carolina rally he called this the new Democrats hoax. The whole February, March, April with the help of Fox News works very hard and play dumb downplaying the severity of the crisis. EEEEEVEN today..... Does it looks like he is even serious?

3. Yes it came from China but that doesn’t mean we should just play stupid and dumb like Trump is doing right now......

Oh it came from China....... that’s okay don’t wear your mask, mask is not good because a waitress told him, no social distancing, have a party, Fauci is lying, deaths are only old people they don’t count no big deal. That is the president of US handling the pandemic.

BOTTOM LINE........ Bucks stop at Trump and yes he is responsible for the crisis and the sufferings of millions of millions of Americans. No excuses.
Its a shame that you typed all that out, because its not an answer..
In addition you said, "Did the Chinese knew it’s a pandemic at the beginning? Did they knew it’s going to be crisis? Did they knew it’s a new virus?"
Wow ! You win, and its clear who's side you're on, and its not America's side.
Regardless of political party, your denial is sickening.
WOW..... I know I won. it’s the exact answer it’s just that you don’t want to accept it... Truth hurts..... I only post exact reality and facts and I do not discriminate. It’s not about denial but’s it’s the results of how that dumb moron handled this country. If you think I’m wrong .......... Let me hear it.


If you can specify me what made you think it’s China’s fault? Lay it out.... Is Xi of China handling our crisis here in US or Trump?
 
WOW..... I know I won. it’s the exact answer it’s just that you don’t want to accept it... Truth hurts..... I only post exact reality and facts and I do not discriminate. It’s not about denial but’s it’s the results of how that dumb moron handled this country. If you think I’m wrong .......... Let me hear it.


If you can specify me what made you think it’s China’s fault? Lay it out.... Is Xi of China handling our crisis here in US or Trump?
Boy you like to wist and spin, twist and spin.
Trump did everything humanly possible, from stopping travel early, the most difficult job of getting ventilators built, two ships on both coasts, warp speed vaccines, and so many more factual procedures. Yet, you blame him for something, the entire world knows is China fault, except you.
I bet that if I was to post all the links and information of everything he did, it still wouldnt be enough for people like you.
Its a shame that people like you want to politicize the death of Americans. You must have been abused as a child, and Im sorry about that, but you should seek help.
Trump handled the China virus like a true leader would.
 
Another big Trump lie...

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He's been lying about Obama's cages and child separation policy for 3 years and it isn't becoming the slightest bit more believable. Obama didn't lose 545 toddlers.

You mean he's been telling the truth. That's what really has you pissed.

Who built the cages, dumbass?
 
Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths.
i've seen donny in action for 40 years. so um ... ya... character... or in donny's case - the lack of it, certainly should be a factor.

the results so far under a trump administration?

a completely fractured society
a world embarrassment
hundreds of thousands of people dying from a virus - with no end in sight - that was preventable
people in food lines reminiscent of the great depression
20,000,000 could lose their healthcare in the middle of a pandemic
women could be forced back to using hangers
back to being exposed to filthy air, CONtaminated water,& cancer laden food.


& you want even more.
Cry, cry, cry all you want, but crying dont change the facts.
With my wife and the good Lord as my witness, when Obama was elected, I wasnt happy, but I told my wife and others, that it was only fair to give him a chance, and "we the people" did.
Thats why Trump is president now.
Americans are tired of politicians, so why dont you understand that ?
Character, feelings ??? Ha !!! Not this time.
This time .... Look at this country where is heading? Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths.
What’s the plan Mr. President?
NOTHING NONE....

But busy.........
Dicking with old emails, Hunter Biden, Coronavirus will just go away, kissing Putin, spreading disinformation,CV super spreader, non sense tweets, non stop lies, Qanon supporter etc etc etc....
So tell me why people still vote for this Dude. Literally destroyed this country.
Every single point you just described were caused by two factors, China and Biden family.
It was NOT Trumps fault.
Let me know if you want me to repeat it.
Every single point I made has nothing to do with China and Biden..... If you have any thing ..... lay it out.
Seriously ?
Well I guess we could take this in baby steps.
You said "Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths."
So was this Trump or China's fault ?
But before you reply, remember how this country was doing prior to the China virus. Now if you are blatant enough to deny those attributes prior to the China virus, then we might have some difficulty.
So again, was this Trump or China's fault ?

Seriously?
Of course all my post are very serious and straight facts and realities. What difference does it make from Trump supporters like yourself? No matter........ How Wrong vs Wrong and Bad vs Bad ...... 2 thumbs up Mr. President.

Just an example......... LIBERATE LIBERATE, WHITE POWER, KUNG FLU, STAND BACK STAND BY, QANON SUPPORTER, OSAMA BL ATILL ALIVE. Guarantee you 100% 2 thumbs up Mr. President. Tell me if I am wrong.


Your question...... Coronavirus is it Trump or China’s fault? Just because Trump told you that .......
1. it’s China’s fault for letting it get out doesn't mean it’s true. How in the world anyone could say something that dumb? Did the Chinese knew it’s a pandemic at the beginning? Did they knew it’s going to be crisis? Did they knew it’s a new virus?

2. December, January and February while China is in full scale war with Wuhan virus (earlier name). February 28 in S. Carolina rally he called this the new Democrats hoax. The whole February, March, April with the help of Fox News works very hard and play dumb downplaying the severity of the crisis. EEEEEVEN today..... Does it looks like he is even serious?

3. Yes it came from China but that doesn’t mean we should just play stupid and dumb like Trump is doing right now......

Oh it came from China....... that’s okay don’t wear your mask, mask is not good because a waitress told him, no social distancing, have a party, Fauci is lying, deaths are only old people they don’t count no big deal. That is the president of US handling the pandemic.

BOTTOM LINE........ Bucks stop at Trump and yes he is responsible for the crisis and the sufferings of millions of millions of Americans. No excuses.
Its a shame that you typed all that out, because its not an answer..
In addition you said, "Did the Chinese knew it’s a pandemic at the beginning? Did they knew it’s going to be crisis? Did they knew it’s a new virus?"
Wow ! You win, and its clear who's side you're on, and its not America's side.
Regardless of political party, your denial is sickening.
WOW..... I know I won. it’s the exact answer it’s just that you don’t want to accept it... Truth hurts..... I only post exact reality and facts and I do not discriminate. It’s not about denial but’s it’s the results of how that dumb moron handled this country. If you think I’m wrong .......... Let me hear it.


If you can specify me what made you think it’s China’s fault? Lay it out.... Is Xi of China handling our crisis here in US or Trump?
 
WOW..... I know I won. it’s the exact answer it’s just that you don’t want to accept it... Truth hurts..... I only post exact reality and facts and I do not discriminate. It’s not about denial but’s it’s the results of how that dumb moron handled this country. If you think I’m wrong .......... Let me hear it.


If you can specify me what made you think it’s China’s fault? Lay it out.... Is Xi of China handling our crisis here in US or Trump?
Everyone can see what kind of person you are now.
Boy you like to twist and spin, twist and spin.
Trump did everything humanly possible, from stopping travel early, the most difficult job of getting ventilators built, two ships on both coasts, warp speed vaccines, and so many more factual procedures. Yet, you blame him for something, the entire world knows is China fault, except you.
I bet that if I was to post all the links and information of everything he did, it still wouldnt be enough for people like you.
Its a shame that people like you want to politicize the death of Americans. You must have been abused as a child, and Im sorry about that, but you should seek help.
Trump handled the China virus like a true leader would.
 
WOW..... I know I won. it’s the exact answer it’s just that you don’t want to accept it... Truth hurts..... I only post exact reality and facts and I do not discriminate. It’s not about denial but’s it’s the results of how that dumb moron handled this country. If you think I’m wrong .......... Let me hear it.


If you can specify me what made you think it’s China’s fault? Lay it out.... Is Xi of China handling our crisis here in US or Trump?
Boy you like to wist and spin, twist and spin.
Trump did everything humanly possible, from stopping travel early, the most difficult job of getting ventilators built, two ships on both coasts, warp speed vaccines, and so many more factual procedures. Yet, you blame him for something, the entire world knows is China fault, except you.
I bet that if I was to post all the links and information of everything he did, it still wouldnt be enough for people like you.
Its a shame that people like you want to politicize the death of Americans. You must have been abused as a child, and Im sorry about that, but you should seek help.
Trump handled the China virus like a true leader would.
Oh dear!
I never twist and spin. Never. I told you exactly as it is. No more no less.

#1. Stopping travel early. Yes and no. February he stopped people coming/go to US in the west coast ONLY to non citizens. But allowed 40,000 US citizens to travel in and out. Travel ban east coast by mid March. Too late.

#2. Operation Wrap Speed was issued May 21, 2020 but that is about the vaccines that’s has nothing to do about his behavior and attitude.

#3. From you........ The entire world knows it’s China’s fault except you (me).......... ONLY Trump supporters will say something like that. Ask my buddies here like Joe, Lakota, Dr Love etc etc etc..... tells you that you are very wrong and very shocked to hear that from anyone. Below is a couple of different links and different dates what the world think of Trump handling the crisis. Sadly.

#4. You are welcome to post any links what ever you want to bolsters your opinion.

#5. This topic is about the debate from last night.... My upbringing has nothing to do with this topic.

#6. From you........ Politicize the death of Americans. Oh dear! This is about politics so I’m not sure where are you coming from.

#7. HELL NO and NO Trump has not handled this Covid-19 crisis as a leader. He handled this very poorly. Just wearing MASK alone is a crisis. The least minimum he can do is encourage people to wear mask. But NO. From last night Trump said the CV it’s rounding curve. WRONG .... only about 4 or 5 State are steady but there are big spikes all over. 82,000 cases daily highest since summer.

#8. Miami Dade County ( Republican mayor) where my second home (Key Biscayne) is located is on curfew due inspection spikes. The coverage area is huge.




For my point #3.

US's global reputation hits rock-bottom over Trump's coronavirus response | Donald Trump | The Guardian

Donald Trump’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, which he once dismissed as a hoax, has been fiercely criticised at home as woefully inadequate to the point of irresponsibility.
But Trump’s ineptitude and dishonesty in handling the pandemic, which has left foreign observers as well as Americans gasping in disbelief, is proving a bridge too far.
 
i've seen donny in action for 40 years. so um ... ya... character... or in donny's case - the lack of it, certainly should be a factor.

the results so far under a trump administration?

a completely fractured society
a world embarrassment
hundreds of thousands of people dying from a virus - with no end in sight - that was preventable
people in food lines reminiscent of the great depression
20,000,000 could lose their healthcare in the middle of a pandemic
women could be forced back to using hangers
back to being exposed to filthy air, CONtaminated water,& cancer laden food.


& you want even more.
Cry, cry, cry all you want, but crying dont change the facts.
With my wife and the good Lord as my witness, when Obama was elected, I wasnt happy, but I told my wife and others, that it was only fair to give him a chance, and "we the people" did.
Thats why Trump is president now.
Americans are tired of politicians, so why dont you understand that ?
Character, feelings ??? Ha !!! Not this time.
This time .... Look at this country where is heading? Millions of millions of Americans are heading to poverty, job lost, lost of income, evictions,lost of health coverage, food on the table, scared, infections, 220,000+ deaths.
What’s the plan Mr. President?
NOTHING NONE....

But busy.........
Dicking with old emails, Hunter Biden, Coronavirus will just go away, kissing Putin, spreading disinformation,CV super spreader, non sense tweets, non stop lies, Qanon supporter etc etc etc....
So tell me why people still vote for this Dude. Literally destroyed this country.
Every single point you just described were caused by two factors, China and Biden family.
It was NOT Trumps fault.
Let me know if you want me to repeat it.
It was not Trump fault.... Let me guess the usual finger pointing blame tactics of Trump defense of negligence...... China.

Yes it came from China. But. That doesn’t mean we have to play stupid, play dumb play it down. The least minimum he can do is encourage people to wear mask........

Look at this handling and reactions from 7 months ago till today. Does it look like he cares?
Is anyone telling you not to wear a mask?
No. I’m not the president.
 
I strongly suspect that hundreds of thousands of energy industry workers had their eyes opened tonight. Biden will destroy your livelihoods, and he finally admitted it.

Dan Bongino (@dbongino) October 23, 2020
Bongino is a regular Fox News contributor also a Trump lapdog.
According to oil pipeline workers union with 359,000 members endorsed Biden.


Biden picks up pipeline workers' union backing

Biden won the endorsement of the United Association of Union Plumbers and Pipefitters on Monday — a 359,000-member union spanning sprinkler-fitters, pipeliners and plumbers — despite Biden's own pledge to block the Keystone XL pipeline that the union continues to support.
I am sure that every one of those workers is voting for Biden.
The question should be... Why should they vote for Trump?

For about 100 reasons.

One of which is...he isn't the petrified piece of shit they call Joe Biden.
Maybe you can give me an example. Why should anyone vote for that moron?
One good reason is that they don't approve of communism.

Maybe you can give us an example where communism is happening in US????

Maybe you can tell that to USPS union with 300,000 members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to teachers union with 1.7 millions members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to United Steel Workers with 1.2 million members endorsed Biden.

United Auto Workers endorsed Biden with 400,00 active and 580,000 retired members.


Your boy Donnie is in BIG TROUBLE.





 
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Another big Trump lie...

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He's been lying about Obama's cages and child separation policy for 3 years and it isn't becoming the slightest bit more believable. Obama didn't lose 545 toddlers.

You mean he's been telling the truth. That's what really has you pissed.

Who built the cages, dumbass?
LOL. That was Trump defense of caging children. Right now caging children are being used as an excuse by the hispanics not to vote for Trump. BIG TIME.

I only hope that you are kidding. What is building the cage has anything to do with family separation? Do you honestly believe they placed thousands of kids even at age of 1 in a cages??? Or hotels. Do you know how expensive to take care thousands of kids feeding, clothing, lodging, babysitting? At the end they unite them back to parents anyway. So what’s the point? Now they cannot find parents of 549 children.


 
I strongly suspect that hundreds of thousands of energy industry workers had their eyes opened tonight. Biden will destroy your livelihoods, and he finally admitted it.

Dan Bongino (@dbongino) October 23, 2020
Bongino is a regular Fox News contributor also a Trump lapdog.
According to oil pipeline workers union with 359,000 members endorsed Biden.


Biden picks up pipeline workers' union backing

Biden won the endorsement of the United Association of Union Plumbers and Pipefitters on Monday — a 359,000-member union spanning sprinkler-fitters, pipeliners and plumbers — despite Biden's own pledge to block the Keystone XL pipeline that the union continues to support.
I am sure that every one of those workers is voting for Biden.
The question should be... Why should they vote for Trump?

For about 100 reasons.

One of which is...he isn't the petrified piece of shit they call Joe Biden.
Maybe you can give me an example. Why should anyone vote for that moron?
One good reason is that they don't approve of communism.

Maybe you can give us an example where communism is happening in US????

Maybe you can tell that to USPS union with 300,000 members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to teachers union with 1.7 millions members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to United Steel Workers with 1.2 million members endorsed Biden.

United Auto Workers endorsed Biden with 400,00 active and 580,000 retired members.


Your boy Donnie is in BIG TROUBLE.






The Talibans endorsed Trump. What an honor.

Trump campaign rejects Taliban's endorsement for U.S. president
 
I strongly suspect that hundreds of thousands of energy industry workers had their eyes opened tonight. Biden will destroy your livelihoods, and he finally admitted it.

Dan Bongino (@dbongino) October 23, 2020
Bongino is a regular Fox News contributor also a Trump lapdog.
According to oil pipeline workers union with 359,000 members endorsed Biden.


Biden picks up pipeline workers' union backing

Biden won the endorsement of the United Association of Union Plumbers and Pipefitters on Monday — a 359,000-member union spanning sprinkler-fitters, pipeliners and plumbers — despite Biden's own pledge to block the Keystone XL pipeline that the union continues to support.
I am sure that every one of those workers is voting for Biden.
The question should be... Why should they vote for Trump?

For about 100 reasons.

One of which is...he isn't the petrified piece of shit they call Joe Biden.
Maybe you can give me an example. Why should anyone vote for that moron?
One good reason is that they don't approve of communism.

Maybe you can give us an example where communism is happening in US????

Maybe you can tell that to USPS union with 300,000 members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to teachers union with 1.7 millions members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to United Steel Workers with 1.2 million members endorsed Biden.

United Auto Workers endorsed Biden with 400,00 active and 580,000 retired members.


Your boy Donnie is in BIG TROUBLE.






The Talibans endorsed Trump. What an honor.

Trump campaign rejects Taliban's endorsement for U.S. president

Should have taken it.

Might have come with some money.
 
ou are confused Moon Bat

That idiot Biden championed the crime bill that put millions of Black boys and girls in prison but yet you still say you will vote for him. He is a stupid Leftest asshole whose failed economic policy keeps them in poverty. During his administration with this Obama jerk poverty and family income for B;lacks increased. Also, more of them were put on welfare. Shame!

The Crime Bill was universially supported by both sides at the time. It was even supported in the black community.

And frankly, with TRUMP PLAGUE and TRUMP recession, black folks have been hardest hit.

Your boy is going down... then he's going to jail. Deal with it.
 
Never said I agree with the way Trump acts or some of the things he says, because I dont.
Again, this aint about feelings, but this is about America, its future, and RESULTS.

Okay, here are the RESULTS of Trump.

222,000 DEAD.
8 million sick
60 million people on unemployment.
10 million have lost their health insurance
Six TRILLION in new debt.
160,000 businesses closed.
33% quarterly drop in GDP.
Months of riots in the streets
Wildfires burning out of control in the West.
 
Never said I agree with the way Trump acts or some of the things he says, because I dont.
Again, this aint about feelings, but this is about America, its future, and RESULTS.

Okay, here are the RESULTS of Trump.

222,000 DEAD.
8 million sick
60 million people on unemployment.
10 million have lost their health insurance
Six TRILLION in new debt.
160,000 businesses closed.
33% quarterly drop in GDP.
Months of riots in the streets
Wildfires burning out of control in the West.
And how many of these you listed are the direct results from China unleashing a virus upon both the U.S. and the entire world ?
Oh wait, youll try to twist and spin that answer as well.
Your desperation is obvious.
 
And how many of these you listed are the direct results from China unleashing a virus upon both the U.S. and the entire world ?

Except the rest of the world didn't have these bad results like we did... nowhere near.

No one expects a president to prevent a crisis, but how they manage them is definitely fair game. Trump has not only managed these crises badly, but he's shown a real lack of empathy by those effected by them.

I don't think he thought Covid was a thing until he got it.
 
And how many of these you listed are the direct results from China unleashing a virus upon both the U.S. and the entire world ?

Except the rest of the world didn't have these bad results like we did... nowhere near.

No one expects a president to prevent a crisis, but how they manage them is definitely fair game. Trump has not only managed these crises badly, but he's shown a real lack of empathy by those effected by them.

I don't think he thought Covid was a thing until he got it.
I was right,
You flip flop like a banked catfish.
You should consider moving to another country, where there are less covid and no guns.
 
I strongly suspect that hundreds of thousands of energy industry workers had their eyes opened tonight. Biden will destroy your livelihoods, and he finally admitted it.

Dan Bongino (@dbongino) October 23, 2020
Bongino is a regular Fox News contributor also a Trump lapdog.
According to oil pipeline workers union with 359,000 members endorsed Biden.


Biden picks up pipeline workers' union backing

Biden won the endorsement of the United Association of Union Plumbers and Pipefitters on Monday — a 359,000-member union spanning sprinkler-fitters, pipeliners and plumbers — despite Biden's own pledge to block the Keystone XL pipeline that the union continues to support.
I am sure that every one of those workers is voting for Biden.
The question should be... Why should they vote for Trump?

For about 100 reasons.

One of which is...he isn't the petrified piece of shit they call Joe Biden.
Maybe you can give me an example. Why should anyone vote for that moron?
One good reason is that they don't approve of communism.

Maybe you can give us an example where communism is happening in US????

Maybe you can tell that to USPS union with 300,000 members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to teachers union with 1.7 millions members endorsed Biden.

Maybe you can tell that to United Steel Workers with 1.2 million members endorsed Biden.

United Auto Workers endorsed Biden with 400,00 active and 580,000 retired members.


Your boy Donnie is in BIG TROUBLE.







One of the guys I shoot with at the rifle range is a postal carrier. He is a veteran that joined the postal service after a 20 year career with the Air Force. He is not going to vote for this Biden asshole and he told us that hardly anybody he works with will vote for Biden either.

The filthy Union bosses may be in the back pocket of the filthy ass Democrat Party but doesn't mean the rank and file are.

Biden is a piece of shit and most Americans know it and Trump will win easily.
 
LOL!!!! you can't defend it.

no worries - i knew you couldn't.

embrace it since that's all you can do.

i bet you don't even need astro glide with all the ankle grabbing you do for yer chosen one!
Please stop crying.
It really doesnt look good, if youre trying to represent the Democratic party.
Why wont you except that Trump is going to be your president for 4 more years, after watching that debate last night ?

oh my... you are in deep with donny. or should i say donny is deep with you. anyhoo - i am not a (D), so therefore, just like everything else you think is true....

well .... it's not. you & president tribblehead have much in common.
 

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