US Surface Navy is No Longer a Global Force

[Deplorable Yankee]

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus.

The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so.

The US Navy’s ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack of proper planning, enormous maintenance backlogs, and global “commitments” taking the remaining surface fleet endlessly steaming circles in hulls with limited lifespans.

Do hulls have an expiration date? Yes, they do hence the Navy retiring all 22 remaining cruisers in the fleet by 2027.

Not to mention the premature retirement of the entire class of Little Crappy Ships (LCS).

US Surface Navy is No Longer a Global Force | The Libertarian Institute

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus. The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so. The US Navy's ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack…

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[Stryder50]

Just because the Constitution makes National Defense one of the prime duties of the Federal Guv'mint doesn't mean the Feds have to actually do it.
Got much more important things to do & fund.
Like making the military more green and helping to fight climate change, and do it using DEI.

 

[Stryder50]

Here's a source for some related inside and current news;
U.S. Naval Institute - Proceedings

Proceedings

The Independent Forum for the Sea Services since 1873.

www.usni.org

As noted in the OP; for fuller information, the Proceedings article;

After a Decade of Debate, Cruisers Set to Exit Fleet in 5 Years - USNI News

NORFOLK, Va. – USS Vicksburg (CG-69) is in the middle of a $200 million repair period meant to keep the guided-missile cruiser in the fleet well into the 2030s. Shrouded in scaffolding and white plastic at BAE Systems Ship Repair, shipyard workers have been upgrading Vicksburg since 2020. The...

news.usni.org

 

[whitehall]

Any "surface Navy" is no better than sitting ducks in a global conventional shooting war. The aircraft carrier fleets are nothing but NATO good will exercises. If the shit ever hits the fan in a nuclear war all bets are off. Strangely enough the conventional left Americans are willing to place their bets on a president who can't make it through a conventional interview much less a conventional war.

 

[22lcidw]

Just because the Constitution makes National Defense one of the prime duties of the Federal Guv'mint doesn't mean the Feds have to actually do it.
Got much more important things to do & fund.
Like making the military more green and helping to fight climate change, and do it using DEI.

The United States Navy was charted to keep the sea lanes open. The Founding Fathers warned against foreign entanglements. We did not heed their words. However, there are arguments for those entanglements and not involved so much. We are still building the Littoral Ships while we retire ones only a decade old or less. The Military/Industrial Complex along with DEI is downward spiral and may end up getting a lot of Americans killed at some point. China has our industrial production ability that we had in the WW 2 era. And it is growing.

 

[skye]

Not only the Navy OP.....

....and they want war with Russia China and Iran?

Geeee.....great idea!

totally pathetic.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus.

The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so.

The US Navy’s ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack of proper planning, enormous maintenance backlogs, and global “commitments” taking the remaining surface fleet endlessly steaming circles in hulls with limited lifespans.

Do hulls have an expiration date? Yes, they do hence the Navy retiring all 22 remaining cruisers in the fleet by 2027.

Not to mention the premature retirement of the entire class of Little Crappy Ships (LCS).

US Surface Navy is No Longer a Global Force | The Libertarian Institute

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus. The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so. The US Navy's ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack…

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I don't think national defense dictates that we hold and control international waters.

It matters more that we secure trade lines to preserve the economy.

 

[Meathead]

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus.

The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so.

The US Navy’s ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack of proper planning, enormous maintenance backlogs, and global “commitments” taking the remaining surface fleet endlessly steaming circles in hulls with limited lifespans.

Do hulls have an expiration date? Yes, they do hence the Navy retiring all 22 remaining cruisers in the fleet by 2027.

Not to mention the premature retirement of the entire class of Little Crappy Ships (LCS).

US Surface Navy is No Longer a Global Force | The Libertarian Institute

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus. The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so. The US Navy's ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack…

libertarianinstitute.org

Buh buh buh but we're super diverse and inclusive ....it's a strength


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The use of cruisers has been declining over the years. The decline is not as sharp as the battleship, but destroyers and submarines have displaced them.

 

[Meathead]

I don't think national defense dictates that we hold and control international waters.

It matters more that we secure trade lines to preserve the economy.

You don't get the inherent contradiction there, do you?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You don't get the inherent contradiction there, do you?

The international waters we do hold are because we are securing supply lines. Not because we are compelled to hold any and all international waters.

Following?

 

[luiza]

Forget boats .
They have completely had their time .
Unless you can produce remarkable stealth and /or under water new technologies .

 

[whitehall]

The death of the Battleship concept in WW2 is a reminder that a floating Navy is an antiquated mission. Submarine technology seems to be the only thing left. Aircraft Carriers are only platforms to get the planes to where they need to be. Once the aircraft are able to overcome the fuel problem the Carriers will also be obsolete. The problem is that the Navy is a bureaucracy and the mission of any government bureaucracy is to get bigger and get more funding so the Navy will continue to expand and gigantic nuclear Carriers will get named for favorite politicians.

 

[Manonthestreet]

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/08/20/a_navy_in_extremis_1052811.html

 

[Mushroom]

Do hulls have an expiration date? Yes, they do hence the Navy retiring all 22 remaining cruisers in the fleet by 2027.

And those 27 cruisers were state of the art and the best in the world when they first entered service.

44 years ago.

The Ticos are 173 meters long and displace 9,600 tons. And had 122 VLS cells. And has a crew of 330.

In comparison, at that time the Spruance class Destroyers were 161 meters long, and displaced 8,000 tons. And had 61 VLS cells. And a crew of 334.

A modern Burke class Destroyer is 155 meters long, and displaces 9,700 tons. And has 96 VLS cells. And a crew of 323.

The simple fact is, as great as the Ticos are, they hare largely obsolete. The newest one is now 30 years old.

Now I do believe that the DDGX program should have been more of a priority, like the CGX before it. But CGX was cancelled by the Obama Administration in 2011, and replaced with more Burke class Destroyers.

In many ways, the Navy has been shorted for decades. But the politicians need to realize that we can not realistically have a Navy that is all Destroyers other than the Carriers. And yes, modern hulls indeed have a real shelf life. Their hulls are paper thin compared to previous generations, so galvanic action tend to be more detrimental on those. I just hope that someday all the bean counters will wake up before our military is in as sad a shape as that of the UK.

And no, that is not a dig on the UK, I have served with them and they are incredible. But their government has been forcing them to do more with less, and many doubt they could even take the Falklands back if they were tasked to do that again (and they barely did it in 1982).

 

[Mushroom]

The death of the Battleship concept in WW2 is a reminder that a floating Navy is an antiquated mission.

Then why did they continue to serve into the 1990s?

I always love when people say that, yet can never really say why. Just one of those things people love to believe, for no real reason.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[TemplarKormac]

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus.

The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so.

The US Navy’s ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack of proper planning, enormous maintenance backlogs, and global “commitments” taking the remaining surface fleet endlessly steaming circles in hulls with limited lifespans.

Do hulls have an expiration date? Yes, they do hence the Navy retiring all 22 remaining cruisers in the fleet by 2027.

Not to mention the premature retirement of the entire class of Little Crappy Ships (LCS).

US Surface Navy is No Longer a Global Force | The Libertarian Institute

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus. The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so. The US Navy's ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack…

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I disagree.

When the Abraham Lincoln steams in the area of responsibility ergo the middle east, he will join a contingent of the US fleet capable of defeating any navy on earth.

They already have Iran stalling because any potential attack on Israel will see them bombed back to the days of Muhammad...

 

[Mushroom]

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus.

And who exactly dominates in that area then?

Russia? Who's Pacific Fleet has been a joke for over 120 years?

China? Who's Navy is almost entirely a Green Water Coast Guard? With a ton of small missile boats, and not much of a real threat to anybody other than the Philippines and other smaller nations? Who barely ever leaves their shores, and spends far more time in port than at sea?

Tell me, exactly who is it that is dominating out there, then? Because unless you are talking about the Chinese coastal waters, the Pacific is still considered to be dominated by the US.

 

[Meathead]

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus.

The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so.

The US Navy’s ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack of proper planning, enormous maintenance backlogs, and global “commitments” taking the remaining surface fleet endlessly steaming circles in hulls with limited lifespans.

Do hulls have an expiration date? Yes, they do hence the Navy retiring all 22 remaining cruisers in the fleet by 2027.

Not to mention the premature retirement of the entire class of Little Crappy Ships (LCS).

US Surface Navy is No Longer a Global Force | The Libertarian Institute

The US Navy may credibly dominate the Atlantic but the Pacific Ocean is no longer an exclusive US naval domination calculus. The Arctic is still dominated by the Russians and will remain so. The US Navy's ability to build functioning surface ships is compromised beyond repair due to a lack…

libertarianinstitute.org

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You can't have 11 huge aircraft carriers and not be the dominate ocean navy. Today' cruisers are being replaced by destroyers which are more effective at escorting the carriers.