US, Russia to meet in Saudi Arabia over Ukraine war

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's always about resources Sage.......~S~

Starving Next to a Locked Kroger's Warehouse

Mankind has barely scratched the surface of the Earth's resources. Preppies Sitting Pretty want to keep it that way. Zero-Growth Gurus need to be gutted.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

NATO expansion was (and still is) the basic cause. As was already said in 2007 - Russia won't allow Ukraine and Georgia in NATO whatever is the price (including direct nuclear war if necessary).

Weasels Squeaking at a Bear

The Cold War was always a moneymaker for the American oligarchy. With contempt for the rest of us, it could grant any birth privilege it pleased. Its sons never had to fight. Are there Chickenhawks in Russia—privileged young men whose Daddies get them out of having to risk anything in wartime?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Russia has no right to run the foreign policy of other countries, neither of which was attacking them. Putin and Trump can say whatever they like, it’s what Ukrainians say that counts.

The Ewecronyans Want Soros to Become the Czar of Their Empire

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A policeman who violate the law and follow only his perverted desires is not a policeman. He is a gangster.


Given the nature of our dear European neighbours (and Hitler wasn't the worst European leader, invaded Russia) all those deaths (while your numbers are incorrect) were justificated by preventing the total elimination of the Russian people. Forty million killed is pretty acceptable price for the victory in a war of extinction.

Worse Than the Mongols and Even Worse Than Stalin

After a few decades of using Poles and Russian as slave labor, Hitler figured the German birth rate would produce enough of his "Master Race" to populate those territories after completely exterminating the natives. What he did to the Jews is proof of that intent.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Actually, it was "proto-EU" who divided Czechoslovakia without Russian permission (and directly against Russian will) And it was lack of European system of equal safety (deliberately destroyed by the UK) which leads to WW2. And, talking about Ukraine, it was Russia, who reunited Ukrainian lands in 1939 by liberation of western Ukraine previously occupied by Poland.
And no, it's not "Ukraine rejected". It's expired dictator Zelenskiy who have no any right to represent Ukrainian people, rejected it. Let's ask Ukrainian people. Open borders, de-fund them, and see - how many citizens of Ukraine eager to die for him.

South Vietnam's Flag Described Its People Perfectly: Where It's Not Red, It's Yellow

Our regime of flag-waving draftdodgers also used Munich as pretext for wasting other Americans' money and lives supporting the South Vietnamese cowards, crooks, and collaborators.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If this is how Trump treats an ally I would hate to be an enemy

NYETO Is the Entangling Alliance George Washington Warned Us About

 

[Zavulon]

The past tells us that Putin and Trump are trying to do to Ukraine what Hitler and Chamberlain did to Czechoslovakia in 1938. I’m not on the side of Hitler or his political descendant, Putin.

Or, may be, they are trying to do the same things, that Russian and Americans leaders did to Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Cuba or even what they did to Germany and Japan during WW2, or even what they did to England and France during Suez crisis. May be, we are talking about finalisation of a local conflict during a cold war (without escalation but with recognition of defeat of one side). May be we are talking about cooperation to solve our common problems. May be, we are talking about a foreplay before WW3.

And, talking about analogies, this is quite poor - there were no proxy-war over Czechoslovakia back in 1938. I'd rather recalled Balcan wars, during which Slavic countries (and separatists regions) secretly backed by Russian Empire (and other states) fought against Non-Slavic oppressors and against each others.

May be, some Americans prefer to see it as another Philippines war, when Americans first "liberated" Philippines from Spain, and then, killed much more than Spain - turned it in their own colony.

 

[Zavulon]

If this is how Trump treats an ally I would hate to be an enemy

As Henry Kissinger said once: "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

 

[konradv]

Or, may be, they are trying to do the same things, that Russian and Americans leaders did to Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya, Cuba or even what they did to Germany and Japan during WW2, or even what they did to England and France during Suez crisis. May be, we are talking about finalisation of a local conflict during a cold war (without escalation but with recognition of defeat of one side). May be we are talking about cooperation to solve our common problems. May be, we are talking about a foreplay before WW3.

And, talking about analogies, this is quite poor - there were no proxy-war over Czechoslovakia back in 1938. I'd rather recalled Balcan wars, during which Slavic countries (and separatists regions) secretly backed by Russian Empire (and other states) fought against Non-Slavic oppressors and against each others.

May be, some Americans prefer to see it as another Philippines war, when Americans first "liberated" Philippines from Spain, and then, killed much more than Spain - turned it in their own colony.

If Zelensky isn’t directly involved, there are no talks

 

[Zavulon]

If Zelensky isn’t directly involved, there are no talks

Why not? America is an independent country. They can talk with other countries for themselves, can't they?

 

[konradv]

Why not? America is an independent country. They can talk with other countries for themselves, can't they?

Sure the US can. I just don’t see how talks between Trump and Putin could possibly effect Ukraine. They’re just two old, delusional men talking nonsense.

 

[Zavulon]

Sure the US can. I just don’t see how talks between Trump and Putin could possibly effect Ukraine. They’re just two old, delusional men talking nonsense.

If the USA de-fund Ukraine - Ukrainain resistance will be ended and peace established far more sooner.

 

[konradv]

If the USA de-fund Ukraine - Ukrainain resistance will be ended and peace established far more sooner.

Europe isn’t abandoning Ukraine.

 

[Zavulon]

Europe isn’t abandoning Ukraine.

I see no problem here, either. Europe, without the USA might be scorched down in few weeks.

 

[Zavulon]

 

[konradv]

I see no problem here, either. Europe, without the USA might be scorched down in few weeks.

Russia couldn’t defeat Ukraine when it was alone in a few weeks. Russia started the war with the second best military in the world, but now they have been revealed to be the second best military in Ukraine! You think Russia can take Ukraine, when they can’t take Kursk? Putin wants to talk, because he is weak.

 

[Zavulon]

Russia couldn’t defeat Ukraine when it was alone in a few weeks.

As I said - the goal of a war, is a better peace. And Ukrainain unconditional surrender might be the best possible outcome for Ukrainians, not for Russian Federation. We are not going to repeat your mistake in Iraq. The goals of demilitarization and denazification (especially if we need to do it in short time) demands elimination of Ukrainian mobilisation potential too.

Russia started the war with the second best military in the world, but now they have been revealed to be the second best military in Ukraine! You think Russia can take Ukraine, when they can’t take Kursk?

And how did we defeat Napoleon by allowing him to take Moscow?
Kursk is still Russian controlled. Sundja is under Ukrainian control. And now they have unfortificated forces in more or less open field under Russian attacks (and send more or and more of them in the meatgrinder) and have almost unmanned fortifications in Donbass, which Russia is taking slowly but steadily. It's not about land grabbing and never have been. It's about elimination of enemy's army (and his mobilisation reserves).

Putin wants to talk, because he is weak.

Putin wants to talk, because it's his job as a politician to talk with people. But I'm almost sure that there will be no any cheesefire or something.

 

[konradv]

As I said - the goal of a war, is a better peace. And Ukrainain unconditional surrender might be the best possible outcome for Ukrainians, not for Russian Federation. We are not going to repeat your mistake in Iraq. The goals of demilitarization and denazification (especially if we need to do it in short time) demands elimination of Ukrainian mobilisation potential too.

And how did we defeat Napoleon by allowing him to take Moscow?
Kursk is still Russian controlled. Sundja is under Ukrainian control. And now they have unfortificated forces in more or less open field under Russian attacks (and send more or and more of them in the meatgrinder) and have almost unmanned fortifications in Donbass, which Russia is taking slowly but steadily. It's not about land grabbing and never have been. It's about elimination of enemy's army (and his mobilisation reserves).


Putin wants to talk, because it's his job as a politician to talk with people. But I'm almost sure that there will be no any cheesefire or something.

War? I thought it was a “Special Operation”! Hope that little slip doesn’t cost you with you know who.

 

[Zavulon]

War? I thought it was a “Special Operation”! Hope that little slip doesn’t cost you with you know who.

To be precise - yes, its still a Special operation (plus counter-terroristic operation). But in general statements and as a figure of speech the world "war" is quite acceptable.

 

[konradv]

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