US Boards Tanker Number Three En Route to Venezuela

[Eman623]

It mostly depends on your defintion of "being Russian". My mom was an Ukrainian, my dad was a Jew, but I'm a Russian. May be, your own grandchildren will be Russian, too.

Maybe but if they are they will be asking a shrinking and endangered demographic.

No. You have a lot of special people who suppose to search for WMD, especially in potential victims of American aggression. If they don't work - many American people will die for that reason.
And don't forget common sense. If Rubio wants to destroy Trump - who am I to prevent it? More America moored in Venezuela, less America involved in Eastern Hemisphere business.

So no evidence. Next time just say so.

For Russia and China it is not about oil, as well as for America Ukraine is not about rare earths, amber and watermelons.

Russia doesn't need Venezuelan oil and they have no weapons to spare. Maybe China will step up to protect Venezuelan ghost ships.

No. If a ship flies a Belgian flag, and US military ship has reasonable doubts about it, she has right to stop it, ask it and may be even search it. But, after realising that this ship, is, in fact, Chinese or Iranian ship (and it is neither pirate nor slave-trader), all what they can do, is take their leaves and go, saying "Thank you for your patience and accept our deep excuses."

Lol. Just lol.

Really? We'll see.

At least America has friends. Russia has spent the last thousand years making nothing but enemies.

Of course no. At the very least they'll write their own sanction lists and they will arrest every US -flagged or US owned ship in Eastern Hemisphere. And then you say goodbye to global trade and American wealth.

You can say goodbye to whomever attacks US vessels.

 

[Norm Paperman]

At least America has friends. Russia has spent the last thousand years making nothing but enemies.

The US had friends, past tense.

 

[Zavulon]

Maybe but if they are they will be asking a shrinking and endangered demographic.

Not necessarily. Who knows, what kind of the world there will be?

So no evidence. Next time just say so.

Those are two different questions:
1) Has Venezuela WMDs? And answer is yes.
2) Can I present evidence here? And answer is no.
You can believe me or not believe. But if I were you, I would already being asking questions about readiness of your community to WMD attacks.

Russia doesn't need Venezuelan oil and they have no weapons to spare. Maybe China will step up to protect Venezuelan ghost ships.

Russia do need Venezuelan oil. It is money per se, and it can keep some leverage against the USA. But what is more important - Russia need a base for actions against the USA. Like, you know, Cuba in 1962.

Lol. Just lol.

At least America has friends. Russia has spent the last thousand years making nothing but enemies.

Allies against common enemies are good enough. And no one of your "friends" supported your claims to be ruler of the seas.

You can say goodbye to whomever attacks US vessels.

Really? Ocean is big, and even the strongest fleet can't be everywhere.

 

[Eman623]

Not necessarily. Who knows, what kind of the world there will be?

No one knows, but demographics is destiny. There will be far fewer Russians and a larger percentage will be much older than they are today.

Those are two different questions:
1) Has Venezuela WMDs? And answer is yes.
2) Can I present evidence here? And answer is no.
You can believe me or not believe. But if I were you, I would already being asking questions about readiness of your community to WMD attacks.

I do not believe. And if I were you, I would be careful with idle talk about WMDs. Putin has them and even he has stopped threatening to use them in Ukraine. He knows that if he uses them, everyone dies.

Russia do need Venezuelan oil. It is money per se, and it can keep some leverage against the USA. But what is more important - Russia need a base for actions against the USA. Like, you know, Cuba in 1962.

If Venezuela is sending free or reduced price oil to Russia so it can resell it and keep the profits, I would ask, "what's in it for Venezuela" But if that is true, then Venezuela is violating international sanctions and that oil should be seized.

As for Russia using Venezuela as a base for missiles, it is to laugh. The Russia of 2025 is not the Russia of 1962. Russia is far too busy in Ukraine and Venezuela is too far away from the US for medium range missiles in any case. I don't even know if Russia has the technical ability to build a nuclear site in Venezuela. Their educational system has been in shambles ever since 1989.

Allies against common enemies are good enough. And no one of your "friends" supported your claims to be ruler of the seas.

America has more allies than Russia. There's Iran, NoKo, Venezuela and China, sort of. And none of them would lift a finger to help Russia in a war against the USA.

Really? Ocean is big, and even the strongest fleet can't be everywhere.

We don't need to be everywhere. Just in the Caribbean offshore of Venezuela.

 

[Zavulon]

No one knows, but demographics is destiny. There will be far fewer Russians and a larger percentage will be much older than they are today.

Natural resources (and the peak of oil) is destiny. In 2085 the Earth population will be hardly more than 5 billion (may be, if we are stupid, much lesser). And how many Russians and Americans will be in this world, mostly depends on who shoot first and shoot accurate. And, you know - wars and starvation is the best medicine against aging.

I do not believe. And if I were you, I would be careful with idle talk about WMDs.

Oh my... Why are you that scary even about talks. And that "You-know-who" bullshit.
Anyway, I don't need you to believe me now. Just mark my words, and later you'll say "Zavulon was right, and I was wrong". That's all what I ask.

Putin has them and even he has stopped threatening to use them in Ukraine. He knows that if he uses them, everyone dies.

Of course it's plain lie. Even in "The Mad Butcher" scenario (suicidal all out counter-value strike) die not everyone. And no, there are a lot of steps on the ladder of escalation.

If Venezuela is sending free or reduced price oil to Russia so it can resell it and keep the profits, I would ask, "what's in it for Venezuela"

Russia has 30% of Venezuela's oil and America wants everything. 70% of their oil and soveregnity is better than to lose everything.

But if that is true, then Venezuela is violating international sanctions and that oil should be seized.

Of course no. Venezuela doesn't violate international sanctions. All Western sanctions against Russia are simply illegal.

As for Russia using Venezuela as a base for missiles, it is to laugh.

Who said about missiles? And anyway, America is not protected from attack from the south.

The Russia of 2025 is not the Russia of 1962.

As if America of 2025 is America of 1962.

Russia is far too busy in Ukraine and Venezuela is too far away from the US for medium range missiles in any case.

Russia is busy in Ukraine and this is exactly why Russia needs to bring war in America to create proper pressure (or, at least, distraction) and make a peace.

I don't even know if Russia has the technical ability to build a nuclear site in Venezuela. Their educational system has been in shambles ever since 1989.

Worse that education system on Cuba back in 1962? Really? Anyway, some nations value educated people more than America.

America has more allies than Russia. There's Iran, NoKo, Venezuela and China, sort of. And none of them would lift a finger to help Russia in a war against the USA.

Really? First of all, ODKB, BRICKS and Shanghai Block much more than that. Second, it is about Russia, helping them to fight war against the USA.

We don't need to be everywhere. Just in the Caribbean offshore of Venezuela.

And in all other places your ships will be seized, then.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Coast Guard is authorized to conduct law enforcement operations. We carried a Coast Guard detachment when conducting boarding operations in the Caribbean and Red Sea.

We did the same in Legal Ops. Back in the day.

 

[eagle1462010]

So in your deranged World the US can steal ships and cargo and no one is supposed to do anything about it are you mad? maybe one of those big dumb carriers should get a missile through it.

Maybe we should sink your entire fleet Ivan?

Do thst and FAFO.

YOU WILL NOT BE WORRYING ABOUT UKRAINE ANYMORE.

 

[eagle1462010]

I was very good from moving jeep with pedestal mount m-60 and I did practice shooting at some moving targets. Most of my moving engagement were with M60A3 tanks, both main gun and coax, at which I was among the best back in the day. Of course that is with laser ranging, ballistic computer superelevation and a turret fully stabilized for moving variance of vertical, horizontal, cant, wind and temperature. So, yep. Deadly accurate, moving or stationary, even from the TC hatch, much less the gunner's station. Last Table VIII, my crew and I got an 896 out of possible 900. We were one of the top 4 crews in the battalion, and the only Company Commander in the battalion in the final shoot off competition. I was also the only Company Commander to field 14 full crews in 14 separate fully operational tanks, all qualifying first round, and that is day and night fire, stationary and moving, all weapons. Which means I was a demon, not only on gunnery training, but attention to maintenance management. The M60A3 also mounts the M48 .50 cal at the TC hatch. It is ok for stationary, but not so good for moving or moving targets, as it is not linked to ballistic computer, not stabilized and is control by two handles to hand crank in azimuth and elevation, so not an effective weapon for firing on the move at moving targets.

Apples to oranges. A Tomohawk will gut a ship

 

[eagle1462010]

Just ask the Coast Guard.

No shit.

Been using them with the Navy since I was in back in the 80s. We boarded any ship we thought might be carrying drugs.

We didnt GAF who it Offended then and dont now.

 

[eagle1462010]

If any other country did what the US is doing the US would attack them

And Die for doing so.

 

[Zavulon]

Maybe we should sink your entire fleet Ivan?

Do thst and FAFO.

YOU WILL NOT BE WORRYING ABOUT UKRAINE ANYMORE.

Russia will continue worry about Ukraine. It is vital. But America can be distracted from Ukraine rather cheaply. You know, like in "House of Dynamite" movie. One city (may be Chicago) destroyed, nine million killed and America don't think about Ukraine anymore.

 

[eagle1462010]

Russia will continue worry about Ukraine. It is vital. But America can be distracted from Ukraine rather cheaply. You know, like in "House of Dynamite" movie. One city (may be Chicago) destroyed, nine million killed and America don't think about Ukraine anymore.

Oh STFU Ivan. We do as we please if you dont like it then piss off.

You threaten Nukes because conventionally we would pound you into the ground like a tent stake.

 

[Zavulon]

Oh STFU Ivan. We do as we please if you dont like it then piss off.

You threaten Nukes because conventionally we would pound you into the ground like a tent stake.

Bla-bla-bla.... We threaten nukes because it is a part of our military doctrine. Anyway, we have nukes and you can live with it, or die, ignoring it. It is reality.

 

[eagle1462010]

Bla-bla-bla.... We threaten nukes because it is a part of our military doctrine. Anyway, we have nukes and you can live with it, or die, ignoring it. It is reality.

You know where we live *****. Either do it or STFU Ivan. We arent Europe.

 

[struth]

It might make Trump feel good, but the reality is that the rest of the world just thinks we're a bully. What other country does this?

Yoh think we are the only country that sanctions others??

 

[Zavulon]

You know where we live *****. Either do it or STFU Ivan. We arent Europe.

No problem. That's what we do. That is why we need Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil and other American countries. And if you think that you can hide from us beyond ocean - you are wrong.

 

[eagle1462010]

No problem. That's what we do. That is why we need Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Brazil and other American countries. And if you think that you can hide from us beyond ocean - you are wrong.

Oh STFU IVAN. We dont HIDE FROM YOU.

We will do as we please over here. You dont like it we dont GAF

 

[Zavulon]

Oh STFU IVAN. We dont HIDE FROM YOU.

We will do as we please over here. You dont like it we dont GAF

Ok. But you shouldn't whine about "illegal and unprovoked aggression" then. We just killed two million Ukrainians who though that they can do whatever they want on the territory of Ukraine, do you believe that we'll hesitate to kill nine million (or, may be, much more) Americans who think that they can do whatever they want in Western Hemisphere?

 

[eagle1462010]

Ok. But you shouldn't whine about "illegal and unprovoked aggression" then. We just killed two million Ukrainians who though that they can do whatever they want, do you believe that we'll hesitate to kill nine million (or, may be, much more) Americans?

I said shut the **** up and do it Ivan.

We WILL KILL YOU.

 

[Zavulon]

I said shut the **** up and do it Ivan.

Ok.

We WILL KILL YOU.

It depends on who shoot first and shoot accurate. And don't think, that it will be you.