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People tend to identify with other groups of people. No man is an island. There are varying degrees and circles within circles of allegiances. In the arab world, for example, family clan and sect always trump nationality. In America, people self identify with family, with race, with religion, with political party, with socioeconomic status, with regional location. It is why all of New England rejoiced when the Red Sox won the world series in '04 even though very few of us live in Boston proper.
Black Americans identify with other black Americans. Irish Americans identify with other Irish Americans. Labor union members identify with other labor union members.
The existence of a southern strategy by the GOP is well known, and Steele even admitted as much himself at DePaul last month. I personally could NEVER work for an organization that utilized a strategy specifically designed to minimize the importance of a group of people that I self identified with. Michael Steele clearly has no such objections to doing precisely that.
It was not a coincidence that Reagan chose Philadelphia Mississippi to be his VERY FIRST campaign stop after winning the GOP nomination, and for the audience in Philadelphia that day, "state's rights" had one meaning and one meaning only, and especially to Edgar Ray Killen who was, no doubt, applauding wildly from the audience.
The GOP,IMHO, will always turn a blind eye to racism in the south as long as the white folks there continue to elect republicans...but will, at some point rue that strategy when the white folks demographic shrinks in relation to other ethnic groups. Arizona has put them in a bind with Hispanic voters and, as I also said earlier, for every black voter that Steele is able to bring into their fold, they will lose 10o because of the "racism at lunch counters is the lunch counter owner's business" position of Rand Paul.
My family is made up of all races. My family has several different religion. My family is across the political spectrum including the GOP, the Dems and the socialist workers party. My family are Americans FIRST! Personally, I voted for the Constitutional Party in the last election. I do not believe that the GOP is racist, though, some of them are. I do not believe the Dems are racist, though some of them are. The only thing I am absolutely positive of, after reading your posts is that YOU are a racist, and that you are not concerned with America as a country at all, but are in favor of it's downfall. Sadly, it's already clear to me that people like you are winning and America is falling.
for you to claim to be absolutely certain of anything about me based upon a handful of postings on an internet message board proves to me that you are a moron. I love my country...served my country in uniform for a quarter of a century, and want nothing more than a more perfect union. You, on the other hand, are a moronic bitch who would best serve HER country by getting her tubes tied so that no more of her moronic spawn would populate our country.
interesting. a self serving Reagan site says one thing... the news media says another. No doubt who murf the surf will believe. To some kopolaid soaked douchebags like him, the "truth" is only that which will vindicate his heroes and justify his prejudices. Sad, really.
Reagan's Race Legacy (washingtonpost.com)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States'_rights_(speech)
YouTube - Ronald Reagan States' Rights Speech in Philadelphia, MS
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/13/opinion/13herbert.html
I could go on and on, but that would be senseless, and boring.
Did you actually listen to the audio clip you sited, you brainwashed, racist puke???
He's talking about his ECONOMIC policy and putting people back to work so they don't have to live on welfare. There wasn't a word spoken that could be applied to race, save in the evil minds of twisted liberal freaks like you.
By the way, I think everyone should watch this video of a lady named Gabrielle addressing the Tucson City Council. It should especially be watched by you leftists who've never personally seen or talked to a Mexican before (you know who you are).
YouTube - Gabriella Speaks City Council Meeting April 27, 2010
I hope EVERYBODY will hear what Gabriella has to say. She emulates very closely what many of my Hispanic friends, including some in my own family who immigrated from Mexico, are saying.
To assume that all Hispanics, even legal Mexican immigrants, are against Arizona's intent to enforce the existing immigration laws is absurd. I believe that most support Arizona laws.
By the way, I think everyone should watch this video of a lady named Gabrielle addressing the Tucson City Council. It should especially be watched by you leftists who've never personally seen or talked to a Mexican before (you know who you are).
YouTube - Gabriella Speaks City Council Meeting April 27, 2010
I hope EVERYBODY will hear what Gabriella has to say. She emulates very closely what many of my Hispanic friends, including some in my own family who immigrated from Mexico, are saying.
To assume that all Hispanics, even legal Mexican immigrants, are against Arizona's intent to enforce the existing immigration laws is absurd. I believe that most support Arizona laws.
soimply put, national polling would tend to disagree with your "beliefs"
you want to site those polls? thought not.My family is made up of all races. My family has several different religion. My family is across the political spectrum including the GOP, the Dems and the socialist workers party. My family are Americans FIRST! Personally, I voted for the Constitutional Party in the last election. I do not believe that the GOP is racist, though, some of them are. I do not believe the Dems are racist, though some of them are. The only thing I am absolutely positive of, after reading your posts is that YOU are a racist, and that you are not concerned with America as a country at all, but are in favor of it's downfall. Sadly, it's already clear to me that people like you are winning and America is falling.
for you to claim to be absolutely certain of anything about me based upon a handful of postings on an internet message board proves to me that you are a moron. I love my country...served my country in uniform for a quarter of a century, and want nothing more than a more perfect union. You, on the other hand, are a moronic bitch who would best serve HER country by getting her tubes tied so that no more of her moronic spawn would populate our country.
Don't worry, I had my tubes tied years ago. I have two special needs children on both ends of the autism spectrum. I appreciate your concern about my kids....and your insults which are never ending and baseless. Any moron can tell you are a racist based on your posts here, so I guess I am in good company.
I hope EVERYBODY will hear what Gabriella has to say. She emulates very closely what many of my Hispanic friends, including some in my own family who immigrated from Mexico, are saying.
To assume that all Hispanics, even legal Mexican immigrants, are against Arizona's intent to enforce the existing immigration laws is absurd. I believe that most support Arizona laws.
soimply put, national polling would tend to disagree with your "beliefs"
soimply put, national polling would tend to disagree with your "beliefs"
I cited them already... if you can't keep up, I will not conduct remedial schooling for you....sorry.
I cited them already... if you can't keep up, I will not conduct remedial schooling for you....sorry.
gee, another personal attack, what a surprise....<NOT>
like I said, the people in Philadelphia, Mississippi knew EXACTLY what Ronnie was talking about when he spoke of state's rights. Especially Edgar Ray Killeen who undoubtedly was applauding from the audience.... a free man sixteen years AFTER he killed three young folks trying to get voting rights for black folks in PHILADELPHIA, MISSISSIPPI!!!!
Mississippi racists LOVED Ron Reagan and every other republican since Lyndon signed the civil rights act into law.
I cited them already... if you can't keep up, I will not conduct remedial schooling for you....sorry.
gee, another personal attack, what a surprise....<NOT>
not a personal attack at all... I simply have no desire to repost links that I have already posted. If you would like to google "hispanic opinion + arizona immigration law" you can read a number of articles and polling results, from Pew and others that illustrate my point. When you've done so... get back to me and let me know your thoughts on those polling numbers
gee, another personal attack, what a surprise....<NOT>
not a personal attack at all... I simply have no desire to repost links that I have already posted. If you would like to google "hispanic opinion + arizona immigration law" you can read a number of articles and polling results, from Pew and others that illustrate my point. When you've done so... get back to me and let me know your thoughts on those polling numbers
yes it was a personal attack, you think I can't recognize one when I see one? "remedial
schooling" I'm sure was intended to complement me, right?
WASHINGTON A strong majority of Americans support Arizona's controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.
Sixty-one percent of Americans and 64 percent of registered voters said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9.
A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.
Read more: Poll: Americans back Arizona's illegal immigrants law | McClatchy
So, in short, you were wrong, again or is that still?
like I said, the people in Philadelphia, Mississippi knew EXACTLY what Ronnie was talking about when he spoke of state's rights. Especially Edgar Ray Killeen who undoubtedly was applauding from the audience.... a free man sixteen years AFTER he killed three young folks trying to get voting rights for black folks in PHILADELPHIA, MISSISSIPPI!!!!
Mississippi racists LOVED Ron Reagan and every other republican since Lyndon signed the civil rights act into law.
Pathetic. Seriously. You can't even come up with an even vaguely interesting deflection at this point... just some half-assed blather about how people in Philadelphia, Mississippi must be 'mindreading miracles of nature' so that they can perceive a racial insult despite the actual WORDS they hear.
Get a grip. You're talking about a sleazy, 30 year-old, race-baiting, Democrat attack that didn't hold water then, and doesn't hold water now. And looking ridiculous into the bargain, I might add.
If you can't make a coherent argument as to why our fearless leaders in Congress should be applauding a verbal insult upon the State of Arizona by a foreign president whose inability to control his countrymen's lawlessness is the CAUSE of the problem... well, that's on you.
All those applauding should be unemployed next term.
All those applauding should be unemployed next term.
Somebody suggested that the media, it would have to be cable, run an ad on every one of those who stood up and applauded. It would be great if they did although it is pretty obvious who they were. The problem being, that americans do have short memories.
All those applauding should be unemployed next term.
Somebody suggested that the media, it would have to be cable, run an ad on every one of those who stood up and applauded. It would be great if they did although it is pretty obvious who they were. The problem being, that americans do have short memories.
do you really want the media to actively campaign for one side in the political debate, or would you prefer that they at least pretended to be reporting the news objectively?
I have no problem with political organizations buying time or space in any media outlet to run political ads, but I have a difficult time accepting a situation where the media outlet itself runs ads for or against political candidates. I would think you might have a problem with that too.
First off... I decline to play dueling links with you. I could post as many links supporting the idea that the GOP successfully employed a southern strategy and you know I could...so why the fuck bother. If you truly believe that it was economics alone that changed the south from solid democrat to solid republican, there is little I can do, nor care to do, to dissuade you from that//// but as to some of your other points:Because the democrats, since 1948, have been steadily moving towards policies that are endoresed by black americans. do you think that is a coincidence that, of all the blacks in congress, NONE are republican, or is that some bizarre twist of fate with no relevane.So again, why should black people despise the GOP more than they do the Democrats or some of their own leadership if race issues are the only factors to be considered?
And how do you get around racism when you suggest that a black person is incapable of thought or perceptions that don't fit with what you expect a black person to be or do?
I have never said that any black person was incapable of any thoughts or perceptions of any kind. next.
Ithink if you would open your mind and actually do some research, you will find that the vast majority of the GOP are not the race fixated fanatics that you make them out to be and in fact have been far less so than the overall track record of the Democratic party. And you'll find that black people who have dared to step outside the stereotypes that some people wish to keep them in have been generally reviled and despised by people who WANT them to stay in those sterotypes.
I have never said that the vast majority of the GOP was race fixated. I have said that the track record of the democratic party - starting with the HHH keynote address at the 1948 convention - has been one of moving toward including blacks and the concerns of black americans in our party's platform and deliberations. The voting patters of black americans from that time until now would suggest that they have noticed the democrat's change in direction and have changed their allegiances accordingly.
God forbid that we allow somebody to just be a thnking American with values, principles, perceptions, hopes and dreams instead of having to 'act like' a proper black man or white man or Hispanic or whatever.
Sheesh.
fuck you. I have NEVER suggested that any American be denied the ability to do exactly that. Got it? good
Somebody suggested that the media, it would have to be cable, run an ad on every one of those who stood up and applauded. It would be great if they did although it is pretty obvious who they were. The problem being, that americans do have short memories.
do you really want the media to actively campaign for one side in the political debate, or would you prefer that they at least pretended to be reporting the news objectively?
I have no problem with political organizations buying time or space in any media outlet to run political ads, but I have a difficult time accepting a situation where the media outlet itself runs ads for or against political candidates. I would think you might have a problem with that too.
Unbelievable. You've spent DAYS trying to paint Rand Paul as a racist after the chop-job MSNBC did on him... and then you're all worried that some reporter might actually show video of the idiots in Congress APPLAUDING a foreign invasion of one of our border States.
I imagine your tune might be a bit different if half a million Canadians were illegally crossing YOUR border, murdering your farmers, raping your women, bringing drug trafficking and gang violence into your communities.
Bottom line, the Arizona immigration law has been deliberately smeared by the left for the purpose of causing racial division in order to cut latinos from the herd and put them into a demographic box for vote harvesting. You've used the same racist defamation on Rand Paul, on Ronald Reagan, and on the South as a whole throughout this thread... and even more pathetic, none of it has even been original. It's all been the stale, regurgitated talking points of your Democrat masters, worn-out smears going back 30 and 40 years.
Shill better next time. Your efforts on this thread have been... "transparent".
Since The Democrats have been promising black people the sun, moon, and stars while implementing policy after policy destroying black institutions and creating permanent underclasses of black communities, only one deficient in history could say what you just said here.
And that doesn't even get into the Jim Crow laws in existence up to 1964 in some places. It wasn't the GOP promoting those laws and it wasn't the GOP leadership trying to prevent the Civil Rights Act from coming to a vote or filibustering it when it did--that would be the Democrats again. Want to see how the vote went on that Civil Rights Act of 1964? Here ya go. So you can go right on believing that the Republicans have been out to keep the black man down all along. But it just ain't so sir.
No, but you certainly are saying that a black man is expected to think a certain way about the Republican Party or he is despicable. Ah but you certainly have no problem judging a black man (Michael Steele) in a very ugly way because he doesn't think and believe as you do and he doesn't demonize Republicans like you do.
Since The Democrats have been promising black people the sun, moon, and stars while implementing policy after policy destroying black institutions and creating permanent underclasses of black communities, only one deficient in history could say what you just said here.
So not only am I deficient in history, but the black community in America are all dumber than dirt to have "fallen" for the lies of the democrats? Have I restated your position fairly? If so....DO use that as your approach to try and win black voters back to the GOP. Tell them all that they are merely stupid and lazy to have believed the democratic party for all these years. Let me know how that works for ya.
And that doesn't even get into the Jim Crow laws in existence up to 1964 in some places. It wasn't the GOP promoting those laws and it wasn't the GOP leadership trying to prevent the Civil Rights Act from coming to a vote or filibustering it when it did--that would be the Democrats again. Want to see how the vote went on that Civil Rights Act of 1964? Here ya go. So you can go right on believing that the Republicans have been out to keep the black man down all along. But it just ain't so sir.
I am fully aware of the republican support for the civil rights act and I have NEVER suggested anything to the contrary. Prior to the civil rights act, the south was solidly democratic and blacks in America were solidly republican. I happen to believe that the reversal of both those allegiances is tied to the successful application of the southern strategy by the GOP starting with the 1968 Nixon campaign. Today, the south is dead red across the board in national elections, and black americans are overwhelmingly democratic in their political affiliation. YOU want everyone to believe that the former has nothing to do with race and the latter has everything to do with blacks generally being ignorant. Again....PUHLEEEZE adopt that as your national campaign theme.
No, but you certainly are saying that a black man is expected to think a certain way about the Republican Party or he is despicable. Ah but you certainly have no problem judging a black man (Michael Steele) in a very ugly way because he doesn't think and believe as you do and he doesn't demonize Republicans like you do.
I don't EXPECT Steele to think anything. I listen to him acknowledge the long time use of the southern strategy by his own party... and, in light of that, I find his continued support of that party despicable. period.
And I don't demonize all republicans....just some of them... my state has two fine upstanding republican senators, and while I have never voted for either one of them, I ampleased and proud to know that they are representing my state in the US senate.
