LuvRPgrl
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- Aug 11, 2005
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Ok, so you think posting contrived "supposed" concepts by me
"Contrived, Luvergirl interpretation: Hagbard Celine is calling for the hostile takeover of Indonesia and is questioning the legitimacy of Indonesian sovereignty."
that have no basis in fact, and that you cannot make any, ANY, in context or out of context DIRECT quotes of where I said that, IS MORE FACTUAL , than my DIRECT QUOTES of your own words.
By the way, to make a blanket statement to a specific question
Q:
"Do you think it is wrong to execute T. McVeigh"
A:
"I think all executions are wrong"
means you are responsable for having that blanket statement applied to anything and everything. It cannot be taken out of context. You simply cant hold up under the weight of the "fat" existing in your posistions.
"Contrived, Luvergirl interpretation: Hagbard Celine is calling for the hostile takeover of Indonesia and is questioning the legitimacy of Indonesian sovereignty."
that have no basis in fact, and that you cannot make any, ANY, in context or out of context DIRECT quotes of where I said that, IS MORE FACTUAL , than my DIRECT QUOTES of your own words.
By the way, to make a blanket statement to a specific question
Q:
"Do you think it is wrong to execute T. McVeigh"
A:
"I think all executions are wrong"
means you are responsable for having that blanket statement applied to anything and everything. It cannot be taken out of context. You simply cant hold up under the weight of the "fat" existing in your posistions.
Hagbard Celine said:No, I don't. I said their law is barbaric and unjust. That has nothing to do with their sovereignty. You're wrong and you're beating a dead horse.
You said... If the reason for being in Iraq has miraculously changed from "finding WMDs" to "liberating Iraqis from the tyranny of Saddam," why don't we invade every "sovereign" nation that mistreats it's citizens? You're obviously confused. You're arguing for the Iraq war, which totally undermines the sovereignty of Saddam's government, but you are against saving a guy from being murdered for simply having drugs in his bag because it would "undermine Indonesia's sovereignty?" You've got two conflicting arguments going here...you might want to regroup.
All taken out of context with contrived arguments tagged on willy nilly.
Original, intended context: Response to Gem's post in which she farcically listed reasons for not trying to help save this man from an unjust execution such as, She's trying to make me and the others arguing to save this man from savages who want his blood look foolish by trying to make it seem like the act of appealing to Singapore to spare this man's life is comparable to spreading capitalist consumerism where it is not wanted. Does anyone here disagree that human rights are more important than petty politics?
Contrived, Luvergirl interpretation: Hagbard Celine is calling for the hostile takeover of Indonesia and is questioning the legitimacy of Indonesian sovereignty.
Original, intended context: "Any law that is cruel and unjust should be banned." Does anyone here disagree? Here in the US and in the rest of the civilized world, unjust laws are repealed or rewritten. What makes Indonesians exempt from going through the same process? The fact that some of them still wear loin cloths and live in trees? If anything, I think this is a reason to expedite the process!
Contrived Luvergirl interpretation: Hagbard hates Indonesians and wants to see their government topple in a glorious coup executed by US military police.
Original, intended context: Who disagrees that throwing rocks at women and killing them for committing adultery or for talking back to their husbands or for being seen in public unaccompanied by a man is barbaric? Who disagrees that strapping a bomb to yourself and killing innocent people so that you will be rewarded with virgins in heaven is barbaric? Any takers? You can't keep a straight face and tell me that these people aren't savages.
Contrived Luvergirl interpretation: HC is crazy because he thinks Islamic Shariah laws that undermine the rights of women and devalue human life should be rethunk. Furthermore, this is direct evidence that HC is calling for the fall of Indonesia and is calling for their sovereignty to be ruled illegitimate.
Original, intended context: They shouldn't kill people for trivial offenses. Who disagrees? If you do, go live with them and send us updates on how great it is in Indonesia.
Contrived Luvergirl interpretation: Hagbard Celine is crazy because he doesn't think executing people for trivial offenses and using corporal punishment for minor legal violations is rational behavior. What a crazy liberal.