you did not answer my question did you?...try again....
i answered it perfectly fine. healthcare is healthcare, whether it's from a disease or an accident. people who need healthcare shouldn't lose their life savings or die because they can't afford insurance.
First off, people are not dying because they don't have insurance. I know people who had cancer, and were treated. In fact, I myself went to the hospital without insurance, and they treated me just fine.
As for losing money.... why? Why do you expect other people to serve you for free? Should I be able to demand you serve me, without paying you? What are you advocating here, slavery?
You think losing 50% of your entire income, won't harm your "life savings"? Heck you are likely not have any savings at all, given your plan to tax all our money away to pay for "free" health are.
How people pay for what services and goods they get?
& i know people who have died because they didn't have the cash to pay for the treatment they needed - but were only given medical help to make them 'comfortable' while they slowly died.
you got healthcare because no hospital can legally turn you away. you think they absorbed that cost outa the goodness of their hearts? people WITH insurance paid for it thru higher premiums. which meant people like ME.
i no problems paying higher taxes if it meant basic healthcare was covered 100% lol... no copays, no co insurance, no premiums... people already pay 1000s of dollars every year for outa pocket costs & still get denied. because bighealthcorp profits are in the stratosphere.
So you said they were left to die, and the hospital refused treatment.... then you turn around and said a hospital can't legally refuse to treat someone.
Those are mutually exclusive claims. One has to be a lie. Again, I knew a guy who got cancer, and had no insurance. He went to the hospital, and he got chemo.
you think they absorbed that cost outa the goodness of their hearts?
What the crap are you talking about? They didn't 'absorb' anything. I got a bill. I paid the bill.
no problems paying higher taxes if it meant basic healthcare was covered 100% lol... no copays, no co insurance, no premiums
Yes, you won't have premiums. But you are going to pay more money in taxes, than you are paying now in premiums. Guaranteed.
You realize that in most of Europe, and elsewhere that has government run health care, they all have almost double the taxes we do?
Nearly double. That means at least a 20% increase in taxes, at nearly all income levels. $50,000 = $10,000 in additional taxes.
Do you know anyone anywhere, that is paying insurance premiums of $10,000 per year? No you do not.
My insurance right now, is $100 a month.
Further, I know of no system in the world, that has absolutely no co-pays. UK has co-pays. France has co-pays. Everyone has co-pays.
So the idea, that you are going to pay taxes, and never have any other health care bills... not happening. All the countries that tried that, end up having to put in place fees-at-use to prevent people just non-stop going to the doctor, because they are lonely. They had that in France, and old people were going to the doctor, because they were lonely and wanted to talk. You have to have co-pays. Unavoidable.
Lastly, in all those countries... almost every single one, they have pay-for-service health care on top of their expensive tax funded health care system.
In Germany, most of the public has private insurance, because like all gov-care systems, it sucks. So they have premiums ANYWAY.... The only differences there is, if you don't have insurance, and you go to private hospital, they turn you away. Go die waiting for a public hospital. No cash, no service.
So everything you said.... is still true in all those socialized health care systems around the world. They still have premiums, still have co-pays, AND they lose 1/4 more of their income in taxes to pay for it.
So you said they were left to die, and the hospital refused treatment.... then you turn around and said a hospital can't legally refuse to treat someone.
no i didn't. i said they were given comfort care. that's different than aggressively treating with the aim to eliminate the disease.
Those are mutually exclusive claims. One has to be a lie. Again, I knew a guy who got cancer, and had no insurance. He went to the hospital, and he got chemo.
that's good. who paid for it? people who have insurance. was that chemo actually do the job & eradicated the disease? no surgery?
you think they absorbed that cost outa the goodness of their hearts?
What the crap are you talking about? They didn't 'absorb' anything. I got a bill. I paid the bill.
i thought i read that you said you didn't have insurance.
no problems paying higher taxes if it meant basic healthcare was covered 100% lol... no copays, no co insurance, no premiums
Yes, you won't have premiums. But you are going to pay more money in taxes, than you are paying now in premiums. Guaranteed.
yep. now add up the cost of everything you pay for outa pocket - don't ferget the deductibles too & weigh one against the other. there are policies out there where the ******* deductables are thousands upon thousands of dollars.
You realize that in most of Europe, and elsewhere that has government run health care, they all have almost double the taxes we do?
yep. i'd rather pay $10 a gallon of gas if it meant i never had to fight w/ an insurance company over a covered expense.
Nearly double. That means at least a 20% increase in taxes, at nearly all income levels. $50,000 = $10,000 in additional taxes.
people pay that now in non covered expenses & deductables.
Do you know anyone anywhere, that is paying insurance premiums of $10,000 per year? No you do not.
LOL. try looking into it. individual health coverage - if it's actual GOOD insurance sure can cost that much.
https://www.debt.org/medical/health-insurance-premiums/
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/re...w-much-does-individual-health-insurance-cost/
Comparing Exchange Plans: Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum - Medicoverage.com
My insurance right now, is $100 a month.
that's nice. how much does it actually cover? when my kid (at the time he was over 22 & the ACA wasn't in effect, so he was off our insurance) was going to school part time, needed insurance got a plan for $100. it was all he could afford... the ******* thing had a $25K annual cap, $50K lifetime cap, & when he went for a flu shot - it wasn't covered. that's why it was so cheap... BTW... those things were eliminated under the ACA.
no caps on coverage & a flu shot is covered under the well being visit category... all that & the pre existing condition clause will be too if donny gets his way. so, you still think a mammogram now is more expensive than a stage 4 cancer? lol, how foolish.
Further, I know of no system in the world, that has absolutely no co-pays. UK has co-pays. France has co-pays. Everyone has co-pays.
So the idea, that you are going to pay taxes, and never have any other health care bills... not happening. All the countries that tried that, end up having to put in place fees-at-use to prevent people just non-stop going to the doctor, because they are lonely. They had that in France, and old people were going to the doctor, because they were lonely and wanted to talk. You have to have co-pays. Unavoidable.
ok, let's say that is true. now tell me how many of them went bankrupt? lost their life savings? lost their home due to any medical bills? those countries also have supplimental policies which are fine & dandy. but if you can't afford to get one - at least they are covered for the .... now read slowly....
well being healthcare.
Lastly, in all those countries... almost every single one, they have pay-for-service health care on top of their expensive tax funded health care system.
In Germany, most of the public has private insurance, because like all gov-care systems, it sucks. So they have premiums ANYWAY.... The only differences there is, if you don't have insurance, and you go to private hospital, they turn you away. Go die waiting for a public hospital. No cash, no service.
So everything you said.... is still true in all those socialized health care systems around the world. They still have premiums, still have co-pays, AND they lose 1/4 more of their income in taxes to pay for it.
uh-huh.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/best-healthcare-in-the-world/
How does the quality of the U.S. healthcare system compare to other countries? - Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker
Ranking Best Health Care Systems in the World by Country
World Health Organization (WHO) Ranking of the World’s 100 Best Health Systems
“This (2010) report examines and compares aspects of health systems around the world. It provides conceptual insights into the complex factors that explain how health systems perform and offers practical advice on how to assess performance and achieve improvements with available resources.”
1 France
2
Italian HealthCare System
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7
Spain Healthcare
8 Oman
9 Austria
10
Japanese Healthcare
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18
UK Healthcare System
19
Irish Healthcare
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25
German Healthcare
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30
Canada Healthcare
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica Health
37
US HealthCare
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland 51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico Healthcare
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
Source: Health systems financing: the path to universal coverage
