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Maybe we can cut out the middle man and just put these CEO's on the budget instead of playing a shell game
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Ummm.. yeah, publicly traded companies in the United States are already required under SEC rules to disclose detailed information regarding the remuneration of their Directors and Senior Officers, or were you advocating public disclosure of ALL employee salaries?Wanna do something about waste and unfair taxes? Make all corporate salaries and bonuses public. Let the employees and stock holders see how much money these fat cats are making while giving employees a hard time over 50 cent raises.![]()
No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
Well, good news is what you want matters not. It's none of your business what a company pays it's employees. Jesus, get a life. Stop being such a moral busy-body.
Funny thing... it's good that I don't give a rat's ass what your opinion is of me.
You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?Ummm.. yeah, publicly traded companies in the United States are already required under SEC rules to disclose detailed information regarding the remuneration of their Directors and Senior Officers, or were you advocating public disclosure of ALL employee salaries?![]()
No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Oh God.. welfare?
You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?Ummm.. yeah, publicly traded companies in the United States are already required under SEC rules to disclose detailed information regarding the remuneration of their Directors and Senior Officers, or were you advocating public disclosure of ALL employee salaries?![]()
No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Oh God.. welfare?
All welfare programs...food stamps, HUD, whatever. It's funny you care so much about where your tax dollars are going except if it has to do with these large corporations, that don't really NEED the money.
You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
The anti-tax, anti-welfare rhetoric on the right comes from think tanks that are funded by corporations. As a result the talking points on the right are often blind to the biggest recipients of government aid.
Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about. Let's break it down into dollars and cents:Today Bernie Sanders slams President-elect Donald Trump for giving tax cuts to a company that was not even on the verge of going bankrupt. In fact, just two years ago they gave a former CEO a golden parachute as a gift, worth $172 million dollars.
Sanders says that now companies that were not even thinking of shipping jobs to Mexico are going to threaten to do so in order to get tax goodies.
Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump
You know, that is an interesting perspective, and may even have some merit. However it still does not bode well for the Dems. Here's why- The saying is perception is everything. If people perceive DT is savings their jobs it doesn't really matter if their job was never in danger. Worse yet for the Dems, giving tax incentives to corporations also helps him with the business world. Yeah, this could be a double whammy smoke screen for the Libs. I see now why Libs hate DT so much. He beats them at their own game.
Carrier is owned by United Technologies. United Technologies has a revenue of over 56 billion a year.
10% of that business goes to the United States government.That means the US does 5.6 billion in business with UTC a year.
Carrier has a revenue of 100 million a year. No mention of United Technologies Electronic Controls which is also in Indiana, has 700 jobs and is also moving to Mexico and is also owned by UTC.
Both plants are very profitable and pay their workers $23 an hour on average. But moving to Mexico, they could squeeze a tiny bit more money out of both those companies. So the Trump administration threatens the company, just a little, that maybe some of those 5.6 billion in government contracts might go someplace else.
Carrier revenue is less than 2% of the business UTC does with the federal government. Carrier, stay or go is still profitable. So Carrier stays.
UTC keeps it's 5.6 billion in government contracts. UTEC still moves it's 700 jobs to Mexico. Trump looks like a hero. Everyone is happy. And all it took was a little big government blackmail. Will it be that easy in the future?
Doubtful.
Those 700 from UTEC are already starting to protest. So is a thousand Trump's limit?
And Republicans hate government involved in business. How much more involved can you be beyond bribes and blackmail?
Oh, and did I mention, Carrier will probably now automate? Only the company is protected, NOT the jobs. Oops.
So your basic reply is the government giveth, therefore the government taketh as they please. That is the problem in a nutshell. The tax code is being used as a give and take from the government to those lucky enough to get big enough to take advantage of that special relationship. You may not realize this but once the government has control of those companies we have achieved communism. And the collapse of a nation is not far behind. This is exactly why we need a fair tax that can't be manipulated for special interests and let some business' die off once the government hand out life line is cut. This will enable other true business' to actually thrive. And the people that work for them will thrive as well.You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?Ummm.. yeah, publicly traded companies in the United States are already required under SEC rules to disclose detailed information regarding the remuneration of their Directors and Senior Officers, or were you advocating public disclosure of ALL employee salaries?![]()
No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
So your basic reply is the government giveth, therefore the government taketh as they please. That is the problem in a nutshell. The tax code is being used as a give and take from the government to those lucky enough to get big enough to take advantage of that special relationship. You may not realize this but once the government has control of those companies we have achieved communism. And the collapse of a nation is not far behind. This is exactly why we need a fair tax that can't be manipulated for special interests and let some business' die off once the government hand out life line is cut. This will enable other true business' to actually thrive. And the people that work for them will thrive as well.You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of communism. When the government runs every business and tells everyone what job they will do and how much they will make along with how much the government is going to take. Are you just stupid or do you you need a little more time to work through this concept?So your basic reply is the government giveth, therefore the government taketh as they please. That is the problem in a nutshell. The tax code is being used as a give and take from the government to those lucky enough to get big enough to take advantage of that special relationship. You may not realize this but once the government has control of those companies we have achieved communism. And the collapse of a nation is not far behind. This is exactly why we need a fair tax that can't be manipulated for special interests and let some business' die off once the government hand out life line is cut. This will enable other true business' to actually thrive. And the people that work for them will thrive as well.You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.So you don't mind if thee government steps in and negotiates your job and salary for you?
No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Right? So asking the government to force companies to pay their fair share of taxes, and to not allow them to keep tax breaks without having to show they NEED them in order to get them is Communism. Gotcha. Thanks.
Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of communism. When the government runs every business and tells everyone what job they will do and how much they will make along with how much the government is going to take. Are you just stupid or do you you need a little more time to work through this concept?So your basic reply is the government giveth, therefore the government taketh as they please. That is the problem in a nutshell. The tax code is being used as a give and take from the government to those lucky enough to get big enough to take advantage of that special relationship. You may not realize this but once the government has control of those companies we have achieved communism. And the collapse of a nation is not far behind. This is exactly why we need a fair tax that can't be manipulated for special interests and let some business' die off once the government hand out life line is cut. This will enable other true business' to actually thrive. And the people that work for them will thrive as well.You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.No, but like with the government bail out of the other industries, when a corporation gets a tax break like this, the government should decide if the CEO's get a huge bonus or not.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Right? So asking the government to force companies to pay their fair share of taxes, and to not allow them to keep tax breaks without having to show they NEED them in order to get them is Communism. Gotcha. Thanks.
Do you have any clue as to how taxes work? Seriously, other than your limited ******* knowledge of the 1040ez form what the hell do you know about taxes and who has to pay them? And now you think you are qualified to decide what a ******* tax break is? You don't even know what a ******* bonus is or what a CEO does or profit margins or shareholder options. You're too ******* stupid to even comprehend what is happening.Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of communism. When the government runs every business and tells everyone what job they will do and how much they will make along with how much the government is going to take. Are you just stupid or do you you need a little more time to work through this concept?So your basic reply is the government giveth, therefore the government taketh as they please. That is the problem in a nutshell. The tax code is being used as a give and take from the government to those lucky enough to get big enough to take advantage of that special relationship. You may not realize this but once the government has control of those companies we have achieved communism. And the collapse of a nation is not far behind. This is exactly why we need a fair tax that can't be manipulated for special interests and let some business' die off once the government hand out life line is cut. This will enable other true business' to actually thrive. And the people that work for them will thrive as well.You do realize that whoever you work for is taking advantage of tax breaks right? So by your line of thinking the government should be running your life.
Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Right? So asking the government to force companies to pay their fair share of taxes, and to not allow them to keep tax breaks without having to show they NEED them in order to get them is Communism. Gotcha. Thanks.
If the business doesn't want to have the government deciding if CEOs deserve to get bonuses... they don't take ******* tax breaks. Simple.
Do you have any clue as to how taxes work? Seriously, other than your limited ******* knowledge of the 1040ez form what the hell do you know about taxes and who has to pay them? And now you think you are qualified to decide what a ******* tax break is? You don't even know what a ******* bonus is or what a CEO does or profit margins or shareholder options. You're too ******* stupid to even comprehend what is happening.Yeah, that's pretty much the definition of communism. When the government runs every business and tells everyone what job they will do and how much they will make along with how much the government is going to take. Are you just stupid or do you you need a little more time to work through this concept?So your basic reply is the government giveth, therefore the government taketh as they please. That is the problem in a nutshell. The tax code is being used as a give and take from the government to those lucky enough to get big enough to take advantage of that special relationship. You may not realize this but once the government has control of those companies we have achieved communism. And the collapse of a nation is not far behind. This is exactly why we need a fair tax that can't be manipulated for special interests and let some business' die off once the government hand out life line is cut. This will enable other true business' to actually thrive. And the people that work for them will thrive as well.Any time a person gets some kind of welfare from the government there is some kind of restriction or oversight to it. So why should companies be allowed to get these same types of entitlements in the form of tax breaks, and then be able to sit in the ivory tower and give each reach-arounds in the forms of multi-million dollar gifts at the tax payer expense without some government oversight as well?
Right? So asking the government to force companies to pay their fair share of taxes, and to not allow them to keep tax breaks without having to show they NEED them in order to get them is Communism. Gotcha. Thanks.
If the business doesn't want to have the government deciding if CEOs deserve to get bonuses... they don't take ******* tax breaks. Simple.
Do you want publicly traded companies to release their SEC filing as popup books or sumptin'? Like I said publicly traded companies already release the remuneration of their directors and top executives, it's easy to find and easy to understand if you know how to read.Ummm.. yeah, publicly traded companies in the United States are already required under SEC rules to disclose detailed information regarding the remuneration of their Directors and Senior Officers, or were you advocating public disclosure of ALL employee salaries?Wanna do something about waste and unfair taxes? Make all corporate salaries and bonuses public. Let the employees and stock holders see how much money these fat cats are making while giving employees a hard time over 50 cent raises.![]()
No, I want a ******* yearly publication put out that is obvious for anyone to look at and see, where they don't have to work hard to find it. Take for example in the state of Ohio, each year they print out in some of the papers the top 50 highest earning employees for the state of Ohio.
LOL, tough, there is no reason companies should have to waste time, money and effort on coloring book versions of there SEC filings just so you can understand them, the rest of the world does just fine with the current SEC filings and bonuses are already included in remuneration, along with stock ownership and stock sales by company officers.I want an actual publication dedicated to it. Not just for salaries, but for bonuses like this one.
Ah yes, just what we need, more government interference in the PRIVATE economy 'cause central planning works out so well (see Venezuela, Cuba, Greece, The Soviet Union for recent examples of how effective it is) . How about we allow our business to do what they do best and run their operations without a bunch of clueless government bureaucrats and politicians breathing down their necks? We might actually be able to restore an economy that works for everybody's best interests that way.I also think that any company getting tax breaks from the government should have to get bonuses like this one approved by the government that gave them the tax breaks before they can do it. That would put a quick stop to some of this senseless bull shit.
Today Bernie Sanders slams President-elect Donald Trump for giving tax cuts to a company that was not even on the verge of going bankrupt. In fact, just two years ago they gave a former CEO a golden parachute as a gift, worth $172 million dollars.
Sanders says that now companies that were not even thinking of shipping jobs to Mexico are going to threaten to do so in order to get tax goodies.
Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump
He will not be the last LWNJ CEO to fall while we make America great again....Today Bernie Sanders slams President-elect Donald Trump for giving tax cuts to a company that was not even on the verge of going bankrupt. In fact, just two years ago they gave a former CEO a golden parachute as a gift, worth $172 million dollars.
Sanders says that now companies that were not even thinking of shipping jobs to Mexico are going to threaten to do so in order to get tax goodies.
Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump
He will not be the last LWNJ CEO to fall while we make America great again....Today Bernie Sanders slams President-elect Donald Trump for giving tax cuts to a company that was not even on the verge of going bankrupt. In fact, just two years ago they gave a former CEO a golden parachute as a gift, worth $172 million dollars.
Sanders says that now companies that were not even thinking of shipping jobs to Mexico are going to threaten to do so in order to get tax goodies.
Bernie Sanders: Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump