Union Bosses ..1%ers

[Steelplate]

I am not a college graduate and I do very well.

and what is a 'fair' wage? exactly?

and, are you speaking for yourself or?

No, not at all... I make $20/ hour taking care of developmentally disabled adults with emotional and behavioral problems(after 23 years of service). My private sector counterparts? About half of that.... the rest goes into the pockets of very wealthy people.

so, its not you, its others. OK.

why then, do they not join a union?

Because they will be fired if they try to form one...

 

[WillowTree]

A card... indicating whether you want to be part of it or not.

Ah, so you check a card when, every year , month? what?

what % say yes?





and on that card is there a choice offered, democrat, Republican? or is it blind?

every year. and No... there is no choice offered. It's offered to the Union's choice. If someone differs from the Union in political ideology, they can refuse to be a part of it and donate to the candidates of their choice on their own.

BTW....why is it that no one answered MY question. Why is it OK for Corporate interests to donate massive amounts of money to political interests... but it's not OK for organized labor?

Now ain't that a sweet deal? You give your money but are not given a choice as to which party it goes.. crooked assholes those union thugs.

 

[Trajan]

A card... indicating whether you want to be part of it or not.

Ah, so you check a card when, every year , month? what?

what % say yes?





and on that card is there a choice offered, democrat, Republican? or is it blind?

every year. and No... there is no choice offered. It's offered to the Union's choice. If someone differs from the Union in political ideology, they can refuse to be a part of it and donate to the candidates of their choice on their own.

BTW....why is it that no one answered MY question. Why is it OK for Corporate interests to donate massive amounts of money to political interests... but it's not OK for organized labor?

BECAUSE, you are very misinformed.

wow looks who's number 3...

top 50-

1 ActBlue $57,214,592 99% 0%
2 AT&T Inc $47,744,462 44% 55%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $46,366,658 94% 1%
4 National Assn of Realtors $40,825,526 47% 49%
5 Service Employees International Union $37,757,242 76% 2%
6 National Education Assn $37,147,829 82% 5%
7 Goldman Sachs $36,121,737 60% 39%
8 American Assn for Justice $35,021,554 88% 8%
9 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $34,445,872 97% 2%
10 Laborers Union $32,096,950 88% 7%
11 American Federation of Teachers $31,883,116 90% 0%
12 Teamsters Union $31,401,292 89% 6%
13 Carpenters & Joiners Union $31,079,258 86% 9%
14 Communications Workers of America $30,287,648 94% 0%
15 Citigroup Inc $29,084,282 49% 49%
16 American Medical Assn $27,926,835 40% 59%
17 United Auto Workers $27,540,152 98% 0%
18 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $27,509,308 93% 0%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $27,164,458 32% 67%
20 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $26,964,727 98% 1%
21 United Parcel Service $26,084,353 36% 63%
22 Altria Group $25,510,752 27% 72%
23 American Bankers Assn $25,167,640 39% 60%
24 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $24,509,045 34% 65%
25 EMILY's List $24,399,427 98% 0%
26 National Assn of Home Builders $23,718,605 35% 64%
27 JPMorgan Chase & Co $23,574,432 50% 49%
28 Microsoft Corp $23,068,670 54% 45%
29 National Assn of Letter Carriers $22,360,334 85% 10%
30 Morgan Stanley $21,518,892 45% 54%
31 Lockheed Martin $21,049,452 43% 56%
32 General Electric $20,744,707 51% 48%
33 Time Warner $20,605,676 71% 27%
34 Verizon Communications $20,550,595 41% 58%
35 Bank of America $20,147,109 45% 54%
36 Credit Union National Assn $20,012,004 48% 51%
37 AFL-CIO $19,852,793 92% 4%
38 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,452,748 38% 60%
39 FedEx Corp $19,424,945 40% 59%
40 Sheet Metal Workers Union $19,316,920 95% 2%
41 Ernst & Young $18,988,083 44% 55%
42 International Assn of Fire Fighters $18,872,793 78% 17%
43 Deloitte LLP $18,800,384 35% 64%
44 National Rifle Assn $18,659,521 17% 82%
45 Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $18,377,651 94% 5%
46 American Hospital Assn $18,271,327 53% 46%
47 American Dental Assn $18,135,286 45% 53%
48 PricewaterhouseCoopers $17,859,965 36% 63%
49 Operating Engineers Union $17,349,299 85% 13%
50 UBS AG $17,326,337 40% 58%

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets

please feel free to check the political party of whom receives the $$$ above....and the %'s......

 

[Steelplate]

Ah, so you check a card when, every year , month? what?

what % say yes?





and on that card is there a choice offered, democrat, Republican? or is it blind?

every year. and No... there is no choice offered. It's offered to the Union's choice. If someone differs from the Union in political ideology, they can refuse to be a part of it and donate to the candidates of their choice on their own.

BTW....why is it that no one answered MY question. Why is it OK for Corporate interests to donate massive amounts of money to political interests... but it's not OK for organized labor?

Now ain't that a sweet deal? You give your money but are not given a choice as to which party it goes.. crooked assholes those union thugs.

Yeah... slimelips.... it's voluntary... remember?

 

[jaffeh]

Union bosses made every middle class boomer's life good. Spit on them if you will.

 

[Steelplate]

Ah, so you check a card when, every year , month? what?

what % say yes?





and on that card is there a choice offered, democrat, Republican? or is it blind?

every year. and No... there is no choice offered. It's offered to the Union's choice. If someone differs from the Union in political ideology, they can refuse to be a part of it and donate to the candidates of their choice on their own.

BTW....why is it that no one answered MY question. Why is it OK for Corporate interests to donate massive amounts of money to political interests... but it's not OK for organized labor?

BECAUSE, you are very misinformed.

wow looks who's number 3...

top 50-

1 ActBlue $57,214,592 99% 0%
2 AT&T Inc $47,744,462 44% 55%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $46,366,658 94% 1%
4 National Assn of Realtors $40,825,526 47% 49%
5 Service Employees International Union $37,757,242 76% 2%
6 National Education Assn $37,147,829 82% 5%
7 Goldman Sachs $36,121,737 60% 39%
8 American Assn for Justice $35,021,554 88% 8%
9 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $34,445,872 97% 2%
10 Laborers Union $32,096,950 88% 7%
11 American Federation of Teachers $31,883,116 90% 0%
12 Teamsters Union $31,401,292 89% 6%
13 Carpenters & Joiners Union $31,079,258 86% 9%
14 Communications Workers of America $30,287,648 94% 0%
15 Citigroup Inc $29,084,282 49% 49%
16 American Medical Assn $27,926,835 40% 59%
17 United Auto Workers $27,540,152 98% 0%
18 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $27,509,308 93% 0%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $27,164,458 32% 67%
20 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $26,964,727 98% 1%
21 United Parcel Service $26,084,353 36% 63%
22 Altria Group $25,510,752 27% 72%
23 American Bankers Assn $25,167,640 39% 60%
24 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $24,509,045 34% 65%
25 EMILY's List $24,399,427 98% 0%
26 National Assn of Home Builders $23,718,605 35% 64%
27 JPMorgan Chase & Co $23,574,432 50% 49%
28 Microsoft Corp $23,068,670 54% 45%
29 National Assn of Letter Carriers $22,360,334 85% 10%
30 Morgan Stanley $21,518,892 45% 54%
31 Lockheed Martin $21,049,452 43% 56%
32 General Electric $20,744,707 51% 48%
33 Time Warner $20,605,676 71% 27%
34 Verizon Communications $20,550,595 41% 58%
35 Bank of America $20,147,109 45% 54%
36 Credit Union National Assn $20,012,004 48% 51%
37 AFL-CIO $19,852,793 92% 4%
38 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,452,748 38% 60%
39 FedEx Corp $19,424,945 40% 59%
40 Sheet Metal Workers Union $19,316,920 95% 2%
41 Ernst & Young $18,988,083 44% 55%
42 International Assn of Fire Fighters $18,872,793 78% 17%
43 Deloitte LLP $18,800,384 35% 64%
44 National Rifle Assn $18,659,521 17% 82%
45 Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $18,377,651 94% 5%
46 American Hospital Assn $18,271,327 53% 46%
47 American Dental Assn $18,135,286 45% 53%
48 PricewaterhouseCoopers $17,859,965 36% 63%
49 Operating Engineers Union $17,349,299 85% 13%
50 UBS AG $17,326,337 40% 58%

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets

please feel free to check the political party whom receives the $$$ above....

Like I said... Combine ALL union donations... THEN Combine all Corporate donations... and let's compare dicks... OK?

Oh.... and I know who Unions give to.... the one party that even pays lip service to the working American.

 

[WillowTree]

Notice the National Auto Dealers went Republican mostly,, hence the closing of the Auto dealerships when the crook took over GM.

 

[Trajan]

No, not at all... I make $20/ hour taking care of developmentally disabled adults with emotional and behavioral problems(after 23 years of service). My private sector counterparts? About half of that.... the rest goes into the pockets of very wealthy people.

so, its not you, its others. OK.

why then, do they not join a union?

Because they will be fired if they try to form one...

horsehockey.

I can name 2 states without even goggling whose works who do homecare and work you describe, went union and the folks really didn't want to either.

AND in todays enviroment, ( well the last 20 years really) unions are over 60% successful in forming (64% I think). did you know that?

and the employee can file a grievance for being fired under those circumstances. you know who with right?

 

[Steelplate]

so, its not you, its others. OK.

why then, do they not join a union?

Because they will be fired if they try to form one...

horsehockey.

I can name 2 states without even goggling whose works who do homecare and work you describe, went union and the folks really didn't want to either.

AND in todays enviroment, ( well the last 20 years really) unions are over 60% successful in forming (64% I think). did you know that?

and the employee can file a grievance for being fired under those circumstances. you know who with right?

Bullshit. I've been in non-union jobs and as soon as someone brought the idea up, it was threats from management. Whether those threats were real or not... I don't know. but it scared the workers away from talking to union people.

 

[Trajan]

every year. and No... there is no choice offered. It's offered to the Union's choice. If someone differs from the Union in political ideology, they can refuse to be a part of it and donate to the candidates of their choice on their own.

BTW....why is it that no one answered MY question. Why is it OK for Corporate interests to donate massive amounts of money to political interests... but it's not OK for organized labor?

Now ain't that a sweet deal? You give your money but are not given a choice as to which party it goes.. crooked assholes those union thugs.

Yeah... slimelips.... it's voluntary... remember?

how do you account for the afscme being third all time, and 94-1 Democrat contributor?

have you figured it out yet?

 

[Steelplate]

Now ain't that a sweet deal? You give your money but are not given a choice as to which party it goes.. crooked assholes those union thugs.

Yeah... slimelips.... it's voluntary... remember?

how do you account for the afscme being third all time, and 94-1 Democrat contributor?

have you figured it out yet?

What are you saying... dude with the guy that looks a little too much like Hitler as his sigline?

 

[Trajan]

every year. and No... there is no choice offered. It's offered to the Union's choice. If someone differs from the Union in political ideology, they can refuse to be a part of it and donate to the candidates of their choice on their own.

BTW....why is it that no one answered MY question. Why is it OK for Corporate interests to donate massive amounts of money to political interests... but it's not OK for organized labor?

BECAUSE, you are very misinformed.

wow looks who's number 3...

top 50-

1 ActBlue $57,214,592 99% 0%
2 AT&T Inc $47,744,462 44% 55%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $46,366,658 94% 1%
4 National Assn of Realtors $40,825,526 47% 49%
5 Service Employees International Union $37,757,242 76% 2%
6 National Education Assn $37,147,829 82% 5%
7 Goldman Sachs $36,121,737 60% 39%
8 American Assn for Justice $35,021,554 88% 8%
9 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $34,445,872 97% 2%
10 Laborers Union $32,096,950 88% 7%
11 American Federation of Teachers $31,883,116 90% 0%
12 Teamsters Union $31,401,292 89% 6%
13 Carpenters & Joiners Union $31,079,258 86% 9%
14 Communications Workers of America $30,287,648 94% 0%
15 Citigroup Inc $29,084,282 49% 49%
16 American Medical Assn $27,926,835 40% 59%
17 United Auto Workers $27,540,152 98% 0%
18 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $27,509,308 93% 0%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $27,164,458 32% 67%
20 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $26,964,727 98% 1%
21 United Parcel Service $26,084,353 36% 63%
22 Altria Group $25,510,752 27% 72%
23 American Bankers Assn $25,167,640 39% 60%
24 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $24,509,045 34% 65%
25 EMILY's List $24,399,427 98% 0%
26 National Assn of Home Builders $23,718,605 35% 64%
27 JPMorgan Chase & Co $23,574,432 50% 49%
28 Microsoft Corp $23,068,670 54% 45%
29 National Assn of Letter Carriers $22,360,334 85% 10%
30 Morgan Stanley $21,518,892 45% 54%
31 Lockheed Martin $21,049,452 43% 56%
32 General Electric $20,744,707 51% 48%
33 Time Warner $20,605,676 71% 27%
34 Verizon Communications $20,550,595 41% 58%
35 Bank of America $20,147,109 45% 54%
36 Credit Union National Assn $20,012,004 48% 51%
37 AFL-CIO $19,852,793 92% 4%
38 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,452,748 38% 60%
39 FedEx Corp $19,424,945 40% 59%
40 Sheet Metal Workers Union $19,316,920 95% 2%
41 Ernst & Young $18,988,083 44% 55%
42 International Assn of Fire Fighters $18,872,793 78% 17%
43 Deloitte LLP $18,800,384 35% 64%
44 National Rifle Assn $18,659,521 17% 82%
45 Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $18,377,651 94% 5%
46 American Hospital Assn $18,271,327 53% 46%
47 American Dental Assn $18,135,286 45% 53%
48 PricewaterhouseCoopers $17,859,965 36% 63%
49 Operating Engineers Union $17,349,299 85% 13%
50 UBS AG $17,326,337 40% 58%

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets

please feel free to check the political party whom receives the $$$ above....

Like I said... Combine ALL union donations... THEN Combine all Corporate donations... and let's compare dicks... OK?

please do, you won't like the results and hey dude?

don't play games ok, here is your only mention of corp donations, I just checked the whole thread if I missed it point it out to me, here ya go;

BTW... ONCE AGAIN... why is it OK for Corporations to throw Billions of Dollars at politicians, but it's not OK for Labor?

there was no "once again" that was your first request, second whats this LIKE I SAID said what? you didn't say ANYTHING about union donations along those lines.

I await your tally, there are a total of 134 at the site, have at it.

Oh.... and I know who Unions give to.... the one party that even pays lip service to the working American.

they give you more than lip service, please huh, they pay you don't they? they give you raises benes pensions plans etc etc etc ....they own you and you own them, a symbiotic relationship and you are part of it. don't play coy.


this hate the corp thing is getting old, you are not doing yourself any favors, it sounds stupid because you have yet to make a cogent reasoned argument as to why.

 

[Trajan]

Because they will be fired if they try to form one...

horsehockey.

I can name 2 states without even goggling whose works who do homecare and work you describe, went union and the folks really didn't want to either.

AND in todays enviroment, ( well the last 20 years really) unions are over 60% successful in forming (64% I think). did you know that?

and the employee can file a grievance for being fired under those circumstances. you know who with right?

Bullshit. I've been in non-union jobs and as soon as someone brought the idea up, it was threats from management. Whether those threats were real or not... I don't know. but it scared the workers away from talking to union people.

uh huuuh.


they should have reported it . once reported the co. is put on a list and the employees are protected from retribution, but I am sure you knew that too. you just told me a few pages ago how hard unions fought for protection and how they fight for the little guy, I bet they would have jumped all over that and even helped the guy file a complaint, did he or she try?


and what were the threats btw, EXACTLY?

 

[Trajan]

Yeah... slimelips.... it's voluntary... remember?

how do you account for the afscme being third all time, and 94-1 Democrat contributor?

have you figured it out yet?

What are you saying... dude with the guy that looks a little too much like Hitler as his sigline?

I see you're getting desperate now....not a good sign.

 

[driveby]

how do you account for the afscme being third all time, and 94-1 Democrat contributor?

have you figured it out yet?

What are you saying... dude with the guy that looks a little too much like Hitler as his sigline?

I see you're getting desperate now....not a good sign.

Back a liberal in the corner and they immediately play the race card or the Hitler card.....

 

[WillowTree]

What are you saying... dude with the guy that looks a little too much like Hitler as his sigline?

I see you're getting desperate now....not a good sign.

Back a liberal in the corner and they immediately play the race card or the Hitler card.....

just before they run a way

 

[Steelplate]

BECAUSE, you are very misinformed.

wow looks who's number 3...

top 50-

1 ActBlue $57,214,592 99% 0%
2 AT&T Inc $47,744,462 44% 55%
3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $46,366,658 94% 1%
4 National Assn of Realtors $40,825,526 47% 49%
5 Service Employees International Union $37,757,242 76% 2%
6 National Education Assn $37,147,829 82% 5%
7 Goldman Sachs $36,121,737 60% 39%
8 American Assn for Justice $35,021,554 88% 8%
9 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $34,445,872 97% 2%
10 Laborers Union $32,096,950 88% 7%
11 American Federation of Teachers $31,883,116 90% 0%
12 Teamsters Union $31,401,292 89% 6%
13 Carpenters & Joiners Union $31,079,258 86% 9%
14 Communications Workers of America $30,287,648 94% 0%
15 Citigroup Inc $29,084,282 49% 49%
16 American Medical Assn $27,926,835 40% 59%
17 United Auto Workers $27,540,152 98% 0%
18 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $27,509,308 93% 0%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $27,164,458 32% 67%
20 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $26,964,727 98% 1%
21 United Parcel Service $26,084,353 36% 63%
22 Altria Group $25,510,752 27% 72%
23 American Bankers Assn $25,167,640 39% 60%
24 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $24,509,045 34% 65%
25 EMILY's List $24,399,427 98% 0%
26 National Assn of Home Builders $23,718,605 35% 64%
27 JPMorgan Chase & Co $23,574,432 50% 49%
28 Microsoft Corp $23,068,670 54% 45%
29 National Assn of Letter Carriers $22,360,334 85% 10%
30 Morgan Stanley $21,518,892 45% 54%
31 Lockheed Martin $21,049,452 43% 56%
32 General Electric $20,744,707 51% 48%
33 Time Warner $20,605,676 71% 27%
34 Verizon Communications $20,550,595 41% 58%
35 Bank of America $20,147,109 45% 54%
36 Credit Union National Assn $20,012,004 48% 51%
37 AFL-CIO $19,852,793 92% 4%
38 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $19,452,748 38% 60%
39 FedEx Corp $19,424,945 40% 59%
40 Sheet Metal Workers Union $19,316,920 95% 2%
41 Ernst & Young $18,988,083 44% 55%
42 International Assn of Fire Fighters $18,872,793 78% 17%
43 Deloitte LLP $18,800,384 35% 64%
44 National Rifle Assn $18,659,521 17% 82%
45 Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $18,377,651 94% 5%
46 American Hospital Assn $18,271,327 53% 46%
47 American Dental Assn $18,135,286 45% 53%
48 PricewaterhouseCoopers $17,859,965 36% 63%
49 Operating Engineers Union $17,349,299 85% 13%
50 UBS AG $17,326,337 40% 58%

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets

please feel free to check the political party whom receives the $$$ above....

Like I said... Combine ALL union donations... THEN Combine all Corporate donations... and let's compare dicks... OK?

please do, you won't like the results and hey dude?

don't play games ok, here is your only mention of corp donations, I just checked the whole thread if I missed it point it out to me, here ya go;

BTW... ONCE AGAIN... why is it OK for Corporations to throw Billions of Dollars at politicians, but it's not OK for Labor?

there was no "once again" that was your first request, second whats this LIKE I SAID said what? you didn't say ANYTHING about union donations along those lines.

I await your tally, there are a total of 134 at the site, have at it.

Oh.... and I know who Unions give to.... the one party that even pays lip service to the working American.

they give you more than lip service, please huh, they pay you don't they? they give you raises benes pensions plans etc etc etc ....they own you and you own them, a symbiotic relationship and you are part of it. don't play coy.


this hate the corp thing is getting old, you are not doing yourself any favors, it sounds stupid because you have yet to make a cogent reasoned argument as to why.

You're hating the Unions thing has been old for a long time. But, to answer your question... there are plenty of threads where I made the request of comparing all Union donations to all corporate donations... that's why I said "once again".

As far as what the Dems do for unions... Yeah... they work with Unions... Republipukes want to destroy them because they have this fantasy of going back to the good 'ol days of the Industrial revolution where people like JP Morgan, Andrew Carnegie and the like ruled with an iron fist. Which is exactly what gave rise to the idea of Organized Labor to begin with.

You guys won't be happy until we all are virtual slaves to your corporatist world you have envisioned. No one's time and effort is worth anything...except those that "are worth it"... and YOU get to decide who that is. Fairness is subjective in your world.

 

[Steelplate]

I see you're getting desperate now....not a good sign.

Back a liberal in the corner and they immediately play the race card or the Hitler card.....

just before they run a way

sorry *****... had to go to bed... was tired.

 

[Steelplate]

What are you saying... dude with the guy that looks a little too much like Hitler as his sigline?

I see you're getting desperate now....not a good sign.

Back a liberal in the corner and they immediately play the race card or the Hitler card.....

No... Just mentioned that his sigline pic looked a little like Hitler.. was a ******* joke asshole.

What I really wanted was for him to answer my question. Which I predict was going to be... "if they only present the card once/year... how can they raise so much money to give to candidates?"

Simple... the card gives you many different donation options... one time donation, automatic deduction off of your paycheck, etc. Plus.... AFSCME is a large, Nationwide Union.

 

[DaGoose]

Now ain't that a sweet deal? You give your money but are not given a choice as to which party it goes.. crooked assholes those union thugs.

Yeah... slimelips.... it's voluntary... remember?

how do you account for the afscme being third all time, and 94-1 Democrat contributor?

have you figured it out yet?

So unions donate the most to the party that best represents their interests. Gee, why the hell would they do that?

And union members, by FEDERAL LAW can opt out of paying any dues that are used for political purposes.