Unemployment Numbers will Rise

[Ringo]

I read on the internet that the 25-30 year old generation prefer coliving, micro apartments and cohousing to conventional housing.
Another 20 years of capitalism, and they will prefer streetleaving and underbridgehousing...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I read on the internet that the 25-30 year old generation prefer coliving, micro apartments and cohousing to conventional housing.
Another 20 years of capitalism, and they will prefer streetleaving and underbridgehousing...

Still beats your favorite shithole, Russia.

 

[JoeB131]

What is your guess worth?

Not much.

The best guess is that they paid out 10 Billion in improper payments each year. Most of those being people who die and it takes a while for them to realize it. Which doesn't sound as bad when you remember they make 1.5 TRILLION in payments every year. So fraud is less than 1%.

 

[sealybobo]

My opinion:

The real reason why the numbers are going to rise is because they’ll likely be calculated and reported accurately for once.

25%+ won't be .gov make work jobs.....It's also going to be a lot more than the 240k people the .gov let go too.

Factor in secondary and tertiary impact across the entire federal supply chain, not to mention the jobs lost due to the lack of federal grift money to NGOs etc..

Some of the most competitive companies on the planet started layoffs well over a year ago but the number of .gov jobs padded those layoff figures.

Americans braced for biggest unemployment rate jump since the pandemic as tariffs muddy outlook

Fed's survey showed mean unemployment expectations among respondents — or the mean probability that the US unemployment rate will be higher one year from now — jumped 4.6 percentage points to 44% last month, the highest level since April 2020.

The survey, which also noted declining expectations around household income growth, comes as Trump's tariff whipsaw has wreaked havoc on consumers' (and Wall Street's) expectations about the future of the US economy.

So high unemployment and low wage growth is coming.

In March 2025, DOGE actions led to more than 216,000 federal government employees being fired. Since February, DOGE's cuts have resulted in over 280,000 layoffs of federal workers and contractors across 27 agencies,

That's 500,000 newly unemployed people. I don't think we are being told the actual unemployment number.

 

[sealybobo]

I read on the internet that the 25-30 year old generation prefer coliving, micro apartments and cohousing to conventional housing.
Another 20 years of capitalism, and they will prefer streetleaving and underbridgehousing...

I heard coliving can save people a lot of money. I heard in NYC living with someone can save you something like $40,000 a year. Not as much in normal places. But let's say you can save $15K by living with someone else. Why not?

I have a 1 bedroom condo. If I had a 2 bedroom I would have a roommate.

 

[MarcATL]

What's a "make work" job OP?

Can you define that?

 

[sealybobo]

My opinion:

The real reason why the numbers are going to rise is because they’ll likely be calculated and reported accurately for once.

25%+ won't be .gov make work jobs.....It's also going to be a lot more than the 240k people the .gov let go too.

Factor in secondary and tertiary impact across the entire federal supply chain, not to mention the jobs lost due to the lack of federal grift money to NGOs etc..

Some of the most competitive companies on the planet started layoffs well over a year ago but the number of .gov jobs padded those layoff figures.

Even Reagan grew the government to get himself out of the recession/inflation he was dealing with. Reagan. The guy who said government was the problem, grew the government.

But not Bill Clinton. The federal government workforce was reduced during Bill Clinton's presidency.
No, George W. Bush did not shrink the government. In fact, under his presidency, the federal government grew significantly in terms of both spending and employment.
Reagan significantly increased public expenditures, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.
While it's true that Ronald Reagan advocated for smaller government and reduced spending, the size of the federal government and the national debt actually increased during his presidency.


As a candidate, Reagan asserted he would shrink government by abolishing the Cabinet-level departments of energy and education. He abolished neither

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Even Reagan grew the government to get himself out of the recession/inflation he was dealing with. Reagan. The guy who said government was the problem, grew the government.

But not Bill Clinton. The federal government workforce was reduced during Bill Clinton's presidency.
No, George W. Bush did not shrink the government. In fact, under his presidency, the federal government grew significantly in terms of both spending and employment.
Reagan significantly increased public expenditures, primarily the Department of Defense, which rose (in constant 2000 dollars) from $267.1 billion in 1980 (4.9% of GDP and 22.7% of public expenditure) to $393.1 billion in 1988 (5.8% of GDP and 27.3% of public expenditure); raising the national debt from $997 billion to $2.85 trillion.
While it's true that Ronald Reagan advocated for smaller government and reduced spending, the size of the federal government and the national debt actually increased during his presidency.


As a candidate, Reagan asserted he would shrink government by abolishing the Cabinet-level departments of energy and education. He abolished neither

Even Reagan grew the government to get himself out of the recession/inflation he was dealing with. Reagan. The guy who said government was the problem, grew the government.

Isn't that what the government normally does, spend more during a recession?

But not Bill Clinton. The federal government workforce was reduced during Bill Clinton's presidency.

Really? How many government workers did he cut? In which departments?
How many government workers did Reagan add? In which departments?

 

[sealybobo]

Even Reagan grew the government to get himself out of the recession/inflation he was dealing with. Reagan. The guy who said government was the problem, grew the government.

Isn't that what the government normally does, spend more during a recession?

But not Bill Clinton. The federal government workforce was reduced during Bill Clinton's presidency.

Really? How many government workers did he cut? In which departments?
How many government workers did Reagan add? In which departments?

Yes. Reagan spent his way out of his recession. So why give Biden and Obama shit for it? Especially when Bush/Trump handed them a mess just like Carter handed Reagan.

 

[sealybobo]

What's a "make work" job OP?

Can you define that?

Has he replied yet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes. Reagan spent his way out of his recession. So why give Biden and Obama shit for it? Especially when Bush/Trump handed them a mess just like Carter handed Reagan.

So why give Biden and Obama shit for it?

I guess partly because Obama's recession ended in June 2009
and Biden didn't have a recession.

 

[sealybobo]

So why give Biden and Obama shit for it?

I guess partly because Obama's recession ended in June 2009
and Biden didn't have a recession.

What's your point? We were still getting out of Bush's Great Recession in July 2009. Or was America MAGA in July 2009?

God damn right Biden didn't have a recession.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What's your point? We were still getting out of Bush's Great Recession in July 2009. Or was America MAGA in July 2009?

God damn right Biden didn't have a recession.

Right, Obama's recession ended, why did he continue recession level spending?
Biden didn't have a recession, why did he add more to the debt than Trump?

 

[sealybobo]

Right, Obama's recession ended, why did he continue recession level spending?
Biden didn't have a recession, why did he add more to the debt than Trump?

Infrastructure, Obamacare, programs to help the poor, etc. He didn't give tax breaks to billionaires. Oh you guys loved to point out GE paid no taxes on Obama's watch but you didn't care that Trump DOUBLED the number of companies who now pay no taxes.

You fools don't realize you are bankrupting our country. Then the rich can kill your medicare and social security. Think I'm fear mongering? Think I have TDS? You're just a god damn broke ass idiot if you have no reservations about Trump yet.

Still not sorry you voted for him? Really?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Infrastructure, Obamacare, programs to help the poor, etc. He didn't give tax breaks to billionaires. Oh you guys loved to point out GE paid no taxes on Obama's watch but you didn't care that Trump DOUBLED the number of companies who now pay no taxes.

You fools don't realize you are bankrupting our country. Then the rich can kill your medicare and social security. Think I'm fear mongering? Think I have TDS? You're just a god damn broke ass idiot if you have no reservations about Trump yet.

Still not sorry you voted for him? Really?

Oh you guys loved to point out GE paid no taxes on Obama's watch

Yeah, those green energy tax credits were awesome!
Is the planet cooling yet?

but you didn't care that Trump DOUBLED the number of companies who now pay no taxes.

Immediate expensing is awesome.
Don't you want companies to invest in themselves?

 

[sealybobo]

Oh you guys loved to point out GE paid no taxes on Obama's watch

Yeah, those green energy tax credits were awesome!
Is the planet cooling yet?

but you didn't care that Trump DOUBLED the number of companies who now pay no taxes.

Immediate expensing is awesome.
Don't you want companies to invest in themselves?

Imagine where the planet would be if every country in the world weren't taking steps to go Green. We'd be doomed.

But you believe the whole thing is a hoax. Loser.

It's crazy how Republicans can be against clean air and water. And don't say you are for clean air and water because your policies don't show you care about clean air and water. In fact the exact opposite. You care about money.

Even the guy you put in charge of the EPA has it all wrong. He said his job is to lower your costs. No it's not you fucking stooge. It's to keep the air and water clean. For fucks sake! Anyways, so you are the person I say deserves what's coming. Enjoy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Imagine where the planet would be if every country in the world weren't taking steps to go Green. We'd be doomed.

But you believe the whole thing is a hoax. Loser.

It's crazy how Republicans can be against clean air and water. And don't say you are for clean air and water because your policies don't show you care about clean air and water. In fact the exact opposite. You care about money.

Even the guy you put in charge of the EPA has it all wrong. He said his job is to lower your costs. No it's not you fucking stooge. It's to keep the air and water clean. For fucks sake! Anyways, so you are the person I say deserves what's coming. Enjoy.

Imagine where the planet would be if every country in the world weren't taking steps to go Green.

Cheaper power, higher standards of living. Just horrible!

We'd be doomed.

Doomed how?

But you believe the whole thing is a hoax.

The planet's getting a bit warmer. So what?
If you morons think CO2 will kill us all, why don't you support nuclear?

It's crazy how Republicans can be against clean air and water.

The money wasted on wind and solar is taking away clean air and water.

 

[sealybobo]

Imagine where the planet would be if every country in the world weren't taking steps to go Green.

Cheaper power, higher standards of living. Just horrible!

We'd be doomed.

Doomed how?

But you believe the whole thing is a hoax.

The planet's getting a bit warmer. So what?
If you morons think CO2 will kill us all, why don't you support nuclear?

It's crazy how Republicans can be against clean air and water.

The money wasted on wind and solar is taking away clean air and water.

Relax stupid. The only reason I love man made climate change is because like covid, it's taking out mostly right wing retards in red states.

Didn't your side accuse us of controlling the weather?

Elon agrees with us. So does every other country and half our own. Only the half that controls our country is clueless. Greed. You want cheap heat so you pollute the air. It's very sad. You're pathetic.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Relax stupid. The only reason I love man made climate change is because like covid, it's taking out mostly right wing retards in red states.

Didn't your side accuse us of controlling the weather?

Elon agrees with us. So does every other country and half our own. Only the half that controls our country is clueless. Greed. You want cheap heat so you pollute the air. It's very sad. You're pathetic.

Didn't your side accuse us of controlling the weather?

My side knows too much science to make such a silly claim.

Elon agrees with us.

About what?

So does every other country and half our own.

Left wing propaganda (and government trillions) gets people to believe stupid stuff.
Ask them all to vote on if they think they're getting their money's worth on green BS.

You want cheap heat so you pollute the air.

My cheap heat is nuclear and natural gas, very little pollution.

How cheap is your solar and wind powered heat in December?

 

[leftwinger]

DOGE cuts $1T. Tariffs bring in $1T. 10% across board cut after. Worthless GOVT employess take jobs driving trucks, "coding" or landscaping. Blacks go to work. GDP goes up 10% on increased private productivity. Winning.

Next year income tax removed. GDP booms another 10%. Countries cheating trade become more cooperative. Gas $2 again. Home utilities drop to $100.

If you wean addicts off junk, everyone benefits. Less stolen from you. Less wasted up front until hitting rock bottom.