Unemployment By State Tax Rate & Unionization

[Sinatra]

Much more at site. Interesting number crunching:

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[Jim Lindgren, April 22, 2009 at 1:18am] Trackbacks
High Unemployment States Have High Income Taxes or High Unionization or Both. As the nation considers increasing marginal tax rates and facilitating greater union membership, I thought it might make sense to look at the states with the highest and lowest unemployment rates to see if there might be any relevant patterns.
The six states with the highest unemployment rates are:

12.6% Michigan

12.1% Oregon

11.4% South Carolina

11.2% California

10.8% North Carolina

10.5% Rhode Island

The six states with the lowest unemployment rates are:

5.2% Iowa

5.2% Utah

4.9% South Dakota

4.6% Nebraska

4.5% Wyoming

4.2% North Dakota


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Funny how the author stops at the top 6 and the bottom 6. Why not the top 7 and the bottom 7?

I'll tell you why. Because Nevada has the seventh highest unemployment rate BUT NO INCOME TAX AT ALL - and that wouldn't fly with the conclusions that the author has preordained.











Here's the top 12

State Unemployment Top tax Rate
Michigan 12.600 4.350
Oregon 12.100 9.000
South Carolina 11.400 7.000
California 11.200 9.300
North Carolina 10.800 7.750
Rhode Island 10.500 8.750
Nevada 10.400 0.000
Indiana 10.000 3.400
Kentucky 9.800 6.000
Florida 9.700 0.000
Ohio 9.700 6.240
Tennessee 9.600 0.000



Seems that three of the top 12 have no income tax rate at all.

Or you simply state that 9 of the top 12 have an income tax rate, thus easily linking the increased likelihood of higher unemployment with higher taxes.

Next...

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Much more at site. Interesting number crunching:

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Funny how the author stops at the top 6 and the bottom 6. Why not the top 7 and the bottom 7?

I'll tell you why. Because Nevada has the seventh highest unemployment rate BUT NO INCOME TAX AT ALL - and that wouldn't fly with the conclusions that the author has preordained.











Here's the top 12

State Unemployment Top tax Rate
Michigan 12.600 4.350
Oregon 12.100 9.000
South Carolina 11.400 7.000
California 11.200 9.300
North Carolina 10.800 7.750
Rhode Island 10.500 8.750
Nevada 10.400 0.000
Indiana 10.000 3.400
Kentucky 9.800 6.000
Florida 9.700 0.000
Ohio 9.700 6.240
Tennessee 9.600 0.000



Seems that three of the top 12 have no income tax rate at all.

Or you simply state that 9 of the top 12 have an income tax rate, thus easily linking the increased likelihood of higher unemployment with higher taxes.

Next...

Or how about this - how about we analyze all 50 states? I know that's sort of revolutionary as far as republican thought goes - actually looking at all the data - but let's give it a shot.


Michigan 12.600 4.350
Oregon 12.100 9.000
South Carolina 11.400 7.000
California 11.200 9.300
North Carolina 10.800 7.750
Rhode Island 10.500 8.750
Nevada 10.400 0.000
Indiana 10.000 3.400
Kentucky 9.800 6.000
Florida 9.700 0.000
Ohio 9.700 6.240
Tennessee 9.600 0.000
Mississippi 9.400 5.000
Washington 9.200 0.000
Georgia 9.200 6.000
Illinois 9.100 3.000
Alabama 9.000 5.000
Missouri 8.700 6.000
Alaska 8.500 0.000
Wisconsin 8.500 4.000
New Jersey 8.300 8.970
Minnesota 8.200 7.850
Maine 8.100 8.500
Arizona 7.800 4.540
New York 7.800 6.850
Pennsylvania 7.800 3.070
Massachusetts 7.800 5.300
Delaware 7.700 5.950
Connecticut 7.500 5.000
Colorado 7.500 4.630
Vermont 7.200 5.000
Hawaii 7.100 8.250
Idaho 7.000 7.800
Maryland 6.900 5.500
West Virginia 6.900 5.000
Virginia 6.800 4.000
Texas 6.700 0.000
Arkansas 6.500 7.000
New Hampshire 6.200 0.000
Kansas 6.100 6.450
Montana 6.100 6.900
New Mexico 5.900 5.300
Oklahoma 5.900 5.500
Louisiana 5.800 6.000
Iowa 5.200 8.980
Utah 5.200 1.000
South Dakota 4.900 0.000
Nebraska 4.600 6.840
Wyoming 4.500 0.000
North Dakota 4.200 5.540

This data set has a correlation coefficient of 0.13.



If you elimate the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers - there is actually a negative correlation of -0.26.



In other words - the author is full of crap.

 

[editec]

What a surprise...the states with the highest rates of industrialization also have the highest rates of unionizm and unemployment in these hard economic times.

Using the same kind of specious dislogic I suspect the author of this thread seems to want us to use, I can only conclude that

INDUSTRIALIZATION CAUSES UNEMPLOYMENT​

 

[DiveCon]

Much more at site. Interesting number crunching:

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[Jim Lindgren, April 22, 2009 at 1:18am] Trackbacks
High Unemployment States Have High Income Taxes or High Unionization or Both. As the nation considers increasing marginal tax rates and facilitating greater union membership, I thought it might make sense to look at the states with the highest and lowest unemployment rates to see if there might be any relevant patterns.
The six states with the highest unemployment rates are:

12.6% Michigan

12.1% Oregon

11.4% South Carolina

11.2% California

10.8% North Carolina

10.5% Rhode Island

The six states with the lowest unemployment rates are:

5.2% Iowa

5.2% Utah

4.9% South Dakota

4.6% Nebraska

4.5% Wyoming

4.2% North Dakota


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Funny how the author stops at the top 6 and the bottom 6. Why not the top 7 and the bottom 7?

I'll tell you why. Because Nevada has the seventh highest unemployment rate BUT NO INCOME TAX AT ALL - and that wouldn't fly with the conclusions that the author has preordained.











Here's the top 12

State Unemployment Top tax Rate
Michigan 12.600 4.350
Oregon 12.100 9.000
South Carolina 11.400 7.000
California 11.200 9.300
North Carolina 10.800 7.750
Rhode Island 10.500 8.750
Nevada 10.400 0.000
Indiana 10.000 3.400
Kentucky 9.800 6.000
Florida 9.700 0.000
Ohio 9.700 6.240
Tennessee 9.600 0.000



Seems that three of the top 12 have no income tax rate at all.

reading comprehesion, take a class

 

[Sinatra]

What a surprise...the states with the highest rates of industrialization also have the highest rates of unionizm and unemployment in these hard economic times.

Using the same kind of specious dislogic I suspect the author of this thread seems to want us to use, I can only conclude that

INDUSTRIALIZATION CAUSES UNEMPLOYMENT​

Actually - we have modern unions linked with industrialized areas that yes, result in higher unemployment.

Where once the union did play a pivotal role in securing basic worker protections, they now are a hindrance to productivity and result in worsening boom and bust cycles within our at-home industries.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

What a surprise...the states with the highest rates of industrialization also have the highest rates of unionizm and unemployment in these hard economic times.

Using the same kind of specious dislogic I suspect the author of this thread seems to want us to use, I can only conclude that

INDUSTRIALIZATION CAUSES UNEMPLOYMENT​

Actually - we have modern unions linked with industrialized areas that yes, result in higher unemployment.

Where once the union did play a pivotal role in securing basic worker protections, they now are a hindrance to productivity and result in worsening boom and bust cycles within our at-home industries.

No, it must be the smog that's causing the unemployment. The states with the highest unemployment also have the highest smog - so that MUST be the CAUSE

 

[Sinatra]

What a surprise...the states with the highest rates of industrialization also have the highest rates of unionizm and unemployment in these hard economic times.

Using the same kind of specious dislogic I suspect the author of this thread seems to want us to use, I can only conclude that

INDUSTRIALIZATION CAUSES UNEMPLOYMENT​

Actually - we have modern unions linked with industrialized areas that yes, result in higher unemployment.

Where once the union did play a pivotal role in securing basic worker protections, they now are a hindrance to productivity and result in worsening boom and bust cycles within our at-home industries.

No, it must be the smog that's causing the unemployment. The states with the highest unemployment also have the highest smog - so that MUST be the CAUSE

While I appreciate your attempt at sarcasm, the evidence clearly points both taxes and unions as harmful to sustained economic growth in the modern era...

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Actually - we have modern unions linked with industrialized areas that yes, result in higher unemployment.

Where once the union did play a pivotal role in securing basic worker protections, they now are a hindrance to productivity and result in worsening boom and bust cycles within our at-home industries.

No, it must be the smog that's causing the unemployment. The states with the highest unemployment also have the highest smog - so that MUST be the CAUSE

While I appreciate your attempt at sarcasm, the evidence clearly points both taxes and unions as harmful to sustained economic growth in the modern era...

But tax rates don't correlate well with unemployment. The correlation is 0.13. Remove the outliers and the correlation is actually negative.
I've already proven this using actual facts. See above. Take that list of unemployment numbers and highest marginal tax rates and plug it into excel and you will get the same result.

I haven't analyzed unionization yet, but neither have you, nor have you provided any actual data to support your assertions.

 

[garyd]

Yes lets just draw the line whereever we wish. Lets also leave out for the moment that Nevada is all but completely dependent on the gambling industry and other forms of entertainment for its economic well being and consequently since the first thing people cut is entertainment when things get shaky Nevada is getting hit out heavier than most by the economic slow down. You should also note that those top six states also have the highest minimum wage rates in the country.

 

[Iriemon]

Or you simply state that 9 of the top 12 have an income tax rate, thus easily linking the increased likelihood of higher unemployment with higher taxes.

Next...

Or how about this - how about we analyze all 50 states? I know that's sort of revolutionary as far as republican thought goes - actually looking at all the data - but let's give it a shot.


Michigan 12.600 4.350
Oregon 12.100 9.000
South Carolina 11.400 7.000
California 11.200 9.300
North Carolina 10.800 7.750
Rhode Island 10.500 8.750
Nevada 10.400 0.000
Indiana 10.000 3.400
Kentucky 9.800 6.000
Florida 9.700 0.000
Ohio 9.700 6.240
Tennessee 9.600 0.000
Mississippi 9.400 5.000
Washington 9.200 0.000
Georgia 9.200 6.000
Illinois 9.100 3.000
Alabama 9.000 5.000
Missouri 8.700 6.000
Alaska 8.500 0.000
Wisconsin 8.500 4.000
New Jersey 8.300 8.970
Minnesota 8.200 7.850
Maine 8.100 8.500
Arizona 7.800 4.540
New York 7.800 6.850
Pennsylvania 7.800 3.070
Massachusetts 7.800 5.300
Delaware 7.700 5.950
Connecticut 7.500 5.000
Colorado 7.500 4.630
Vermont 7.200 5.000
Hawaii 7.100 8.250
Idaho 7.000 7.800
Maryland 6.900 5.500
West Virginia 6.900 5.000
Virginia 6.800 4.000
Texas 6.700 0.000
Arkansas 6.500 7.000
New Hampshire 6.200 0.000
Kansas 6.100 6.450
Montana 6.100 6.900
New Mexico 5.900 5.300
Oklahoma 5.900 5.500
Louisiana 5.800 6.000
Iowa 5.200 8.980
Utah 5.200 1.000
South Dakota 4.900 0.000
Nebraska 4.600 6.840
Wyoming 4.500 0.000
North Dakota 4.200 5.540

This data set has a correlation coefficient of 0.13.

If you elimate the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers - there is actually a negative correlation of -0.26.

In other words - the author is full of crap.

Excellent analysis and rebuttal of pseudo-statistics that tried to imply a causal relationship that your statistical analysis shows none existed. This kind of independent thought and examination is what gets us the true information behind the typical chain mail assertions.

 

[DiveCon]

Or you simply state that 9 of the top 12 have an income tax rate, thus easily linking the increased likelihood of higher unemployment with higher taxes.

Next...

Or how about this - how about we analyze all 50 states? I know that's sort of revolutionary as far as republican thought goes - actually looking at all the data - but let's give it a shot.


Michigan 12.600 4.350
Oregon 12.100 9.000
South Carolina 11.400 7.000
California 11.200 9.300
North Carolina 10.800 7.750
Rhode Island 10.500 8.750
Nevada 10.400 0.000
Indiana 10.000 3.400
Kentucky 9.800 6.000
Florida 9.700 0.000
Ohio 9.700 6.240
Tennessee 9.600 0.000
Mississippi 9.400 5.000
Washington 9.200 0.000
Georgia 9.200 6.000
Illinois 9.100 3.000
Alabama 9.000 5.000
Missouri 8.700 6.000
Alaska 8.500 0.000
Wisconsin 8.500 4.000
New Jersey 8.300 8.970
Minnesota 8.200 7.850
Maine 8.100 8.500
Arizona 7.800 4.540
New York 7.800 6.850
Pennsylvania 7.800 3.070
Massachusetts 7.800 5.300
Delaware 7.700 5.950
Connecticut 7.500 5.000
Colorado 7.500 4.630
Vermont 7.200 5.000
Hawaii 7.100 8.250
Idaho 7.000 7.800
Maryland 6.900 5.500
West Virginia 6.900 5.000
Virginia 6.800 4.000
Texas 6.700 0.000
Arkansas 6.500 7.000
New Hampshire 6.200 0.000
Kansas 6.100 6.450
Montana 6.100 6.900
New Mexico 5.900 5.300
Oklahoma 5.900 5.500
Louisiana 5.800 6.000
Iowa 5.200 8.980
Utah 5.200 1.000
South Dakota 4.900 0.000
Nebraska 4.600 6.840
Wyoming 4.500 0.000
North Dakota 4.200 5.540

This data set has a correlation coefficient of 0.13.

If you elimate the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers - there is actually a negative correlation of -0.26.

In other words - the author is full of crap.

Excellent analysis and rebuttal of pseudo-statistics that tried to imply a causal relationship that your statistical analysis shows none existed. This kind of independent thought and examination is what gets us the true information behind the typical chain mail assertions.

figures you would fall for it

 

[manu1959]

"hog wild with taxes"? The top tax rate is now 35% if you make over $350k.

If that is hog wild with taxes what would you call it the 1950s, when the top rate was 91%?

those differences in rates also have other changes in the tax codes
a lot of deductions have been removed
so you can not say that someone paying in the 91 percentile in the 1950s would have paid more than someone today in the 35 percentile

Generally, they did though, at least federal tax.

When Republican Dwight Eisenhower was president, the marginal rate on the highest earners was 91 percent (after deductions and tax credits, closer to 50 percent)

Robert Reich's Blog: A Short Citizen's Guide to Kooks, Demagogues, and Right-Wingers On Tax Day

and you get to adjust what the buying power of 350k was in the 50's compared to the 09's....

 

[SpidermanTuba]

You should also note that those top six states also have the highest minimum wage rates in the country.

You are utterly full of shit. South Carolina doesn't even have a minimum wage law. North Carolina's is below the federal minimum wage. Seriously, did you just completely make that "fact" up or did some Republican feed it to you and you ate it like a good boy? Or are you just a plain old fashioned liar?

 

[garyd]

U.S. Department of Labor - Employment Standards Administration (ESA) - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - Minimum Wage Laws in the States - January 1, 2008

Guess what Dude. The majority of states in the top half of your list by a goodly amount have higher minimum wage rates than the Feds.

And two of the top states Michigan and California have been in incresingly deep do-do since well before this crap began.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

U.S. Department of Labor - Employment Standards Administration (ESA) - Wage and Hour Division (WHD) - Minimum Wage Laws in the States - January 1, 2008

Guess what Dude. The majority of states in the top half of your list by a goodly amount have higher minimum wage rates than the Feds.

And two of the top states Michigan and California have been in incresingly deep do-do since well before this crap began.

Guess what dude? You didn't say a "majority" - you said

"You should also note that those top six states also have the highest minimum wage rates in the country."

Which is not TRUE. The Top 6 minimum wages are

1. Washington
2. Oregon
3. Vermont
4. Massachusetts
5. California
6. Connecticut

The Top 6 unemployment states are
1., Michigan
2. Oregon
3. South Carolina
4. California
5. North Carolina
6. Rhode Island

Since only California and Oregon show up in both lists, your claim that the top 6 unemployment states are also the top 6 minimum wage states is obviously NOT TRUE. Does truth matter to you - or is it just something you make up as you go along so long as it sounds good to you?

So were you deliberately lying, or were you just being ignorant?


BTW - unemployment and minimum wage actually have a small NEGATIVE correlation across all 50 states. Its -0.04. Here, just see for yourself


Michigan 12.6 $7.40
Oregon 12.1 $8.40
South Carolina 11.4 $0.00
California 11.2 $8.00
North Carolina 10.8 $6.55
Rhode Island 10.5 $7.40
Nevada 10.4 $6.85
Indiana 10 $6.55
Kentucky 9.8 $6.55
Florida 9.7 $7.21
Ohio 9.7 $7.30
Tennessee 9.6 $0.00
Mississippi 9.4 $0.00
Washington 9.2 $8.55
Georgia 9.2 $5.15
Illinois 9.1 $7.75
Alabama 9 $0.00
Missouri 8.7 $7.05
Alaska 8.5 $7.25
Wisconsin 8.5 $6.50
New Jersey 8.3 $7.15
Minnesota 8.2 $6.15
Maine 8.1 $7.25
Arizona 7.8 $7.25
New York 7.8 $7.15
Pennsylvania 7.8 $7.15
Massachusetts 7.8 $8.00
Delaware 7.7 $7.15
Connecticut 7.5 $8.00
Colorado 7.5 $7.28
Vermont 7.2 $8.06
Hawaii 7.1 $7.25
Idaho 7 $6.55
Maryland 6.9 $6.55
West Virginia 6.9 $7.25
Virginia 6.8 $6.55
Texas 6.7 $6.55
Arkansas 6.5 $6.25
New Hampshire 6.2 $7.25
Kansas 6.1 $2.65
Montana 6.1 $6.90
New Mexico 5.9 $7.50
Oklahoma 5.9 $6.55
Louisiana 5.8 $0.00
Iowa 5.2 $7.25
Utah 5.2 $6.55
South Dakota 4.9 $6.55
Nebraska 4.6 $6.55
Wyoming 4.5 $5.15
North Dakota 4.2 $6.55




Plug that into Excel and you'll get a NEGATIVE correlation coefficient of -0.04


So YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT























P.S. - Do you think its possible that one day folks like yourself might actually start using real facts instead of just making them up?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

i win