Underwater nukes ..

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I can remember reading about these about 10 years ago when they were still a concept.
The article I read indicated that these underwater drones can be packed with 100 megaton charges.
Enough to wipe out an entire coastal region.

Now they are a reality.

Russia Launches New Nuclear Submarine Capable Of Carrying Poseidon Drone | Russia Ukraine War | WION - YouTube
 
I can remember reading about these about 10 years ago when they were still a concept.
The article I read indicated that these underwater drones can be packed with 100 megaton charges.
Enough to wipe out an entire coastal region.

Now they are a reality.

Russia Launches New Nuclear Submarine Capable Of Carrying Poseidon Drone | Russia Ukraine War | WION - YouTube
 
Russian and American boomer subs have been around for half a century. JFK got us up to "Defcon 2" during the Cuban Missile Crisis while Russian subs had the same capability as the Cuban based missiles and could be anywhere in the Atlantic or Pacific. Nobody seemed to worry about nuclear war during the last democrat administration even with a mentally impaired president.
 
Russian and American boomer subs have been around for half a century. JFK got us up to "Defcon 2" during the Cuban Missile Crisis while Russian subs had the same capability as the Cuban based missiles and could be anywhere in the Atlantic or Pacific. Nobody seemed to worry about nuclear war during the last democrat administration even with a mentally impaired president.
The original article noted that the robo subs could:
Self navigate even without GPS, go dormant for months, reactivate and creep up gradually....and could be armed up to 100 megatons. That is very, very disturbing.
 
The original article noted that the robo subs could:
Self navigate even without GPS, go dormant for months, reactivate and creep up gradually....and could be armed up to 100 megatons. That is very, very disturbing.
Robo subs? Why go dormant for months when real boomers are out there every freaking day? It goes back to the threat of nuclear war only in republican administrations.
 
Robo subs? Why go dormant for months when real boomers are out there every freaking day? It goes back to the threat of nuclear war only in republican administrations.
My understanding from the article is that the robo subs need no life support systems, can become autonomous....meaning that they can strike unpredictably at any time...even after Russia has been obliterated....maybe even years after.
Once again I'm only repeating what I read a decade ago and may not have all of the information correct. What resurrected my memory was the mention of unmanned subs being launched from the new super nuclear platform that Russia has just fielded. Asking me why is fairly fruitless because I am totally inexperienced with military logistics.... I have no idea why. However I do understand what 100 megatons means.
 
On the other hand the U..S has acknowledged the loss of at least 6 nuclear weapons since 1950 . Allegedly the government claims that the weapons are harmless.
 
On the other hand the U..S has acknowledged the loss of at least 6 nuclear weapons since 1950 . Allegedly the government claims that the weapons are harmless.
Geezus....I sure hope so. Not a comfortable feeling knowing that something like that is just hanging around somewhere.
 
I can remember reading about these about 10 years ago when they were still a concept.
The article I read indicated that these underwater drones can be packed with 100 megaton charges.
Enough to wipe out an entire coastal region.

Now they are a reality.

Russia Launches New Nuclear Submarine Capable Of Carrying Poseidon Drone | Russia Ukraine War | WION - YouTube
First of all as I recall Russia shelved the Poseidon Project because of an international agreement not to produce such devastating weapons but since the US unilaterally pulled out of the agreement ..... well, why not go ahead and prepare for maximum defence? Secondly I don't fully trust any news media from Indian sources.
 
First of all as I recall Russia shelved the Poseidon Project because of an international agreement not to produce such devastating weapons but since the US unilaterally pulled out of the agreement ..... well, why not go ahead and prepare for maximum defence? Secondly I don't fully trust any news media from Indian sources.
I saw the Tsar bomba video....that was 50 megatons. Trying to imagine 100 is mind boggling.
Most people don't understand that it's not just twice as big and bad but it's exponentially worse.
100 is probably three to five times more destructive than 50.
 
The original article noted that the robo subs could:
Self navigate even without GPS, go dormant for months, reactivate and creep up gradually....and could be armed up to 100 megatons. That is very, very disturbing.
Yes, it is disturbing but more disturbing still is that Russia has no choice but to build and deploy them.
 
Yes, it is disturbing but more disturbing still is that Russia has no choice but to build and deploy them.
Until the world sees NATO for what it is I'm afraid you are correct.

NATO is the land grabbing demon...oddly this is what they are accusing Putin of.
 
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Geezus....I sure hope so. Not a comfortable feeling knowing that something like that is just hanging around somewhere.
It has been speculated that the Russians got the one that was dumped into the ocean off Georgia. There was one that burned in a crash in Greenland, and 2 were lost in the atlantic off Spain when a bomber collided with a refueling plane. I am pretty sure the ones in the St. Lawrence river and the two that went down in Goldsboro NC were recovered.
 
I can remember reading about these about 10 years ago when they were still a concept.
The article I read indicated that these underwater drones can be packed with 100 megaton charges.
Enough to wipe out an entire coastal region.

These kinds of James Bond - Austin Powers types of super terror weapons have been popping up in the imaginations of fearmongers for decades now. And only fools or those who believe in Hollywood too much actually believe them.

To start with, nobody has a "hundred megaton nuclear weapon". Nobody has ever had a 100 megaton nuclear weapon. Nobody ever planned on building a 100 megaton nuclear weapon. Ever.

The largest ever was 58 megatons, and that was almost 20% larger than the Soviets had estimated the blast to be. And yes, Product 602 was intended to be a 100 MT bomb, but even the Soviets realized such a weapon would not only have been a suicide weapon for the crew, it likely was undeliverable.

The thing was so massive that the Tu-95 that delivered it had several fuel tanks removed as well as the bomb bay doors. Meaning it would be almost impossible to deliver it anywhere very far outside of the Soviet Union itself.

Even at the height of the Cold War, most nuclear weapons were measured in kilotons, not megatons. And in the decades since actual nuclear weapon sizes have decreased, not increased. The era of requiring a fleet of bombers or a swarm of missiles to destroy a target no longer apply in the era of highly accurate modern precision delivery systems.

So to begin with, this is not real. Just the fact that somebody is even trying to claim it is shows serious signs of delusion.

Add to that, no nation is going to build such an insane weapon, then just park it in some random location to use "someday". One thing about every nation that possessed nuclear weapons, they do not let them out of their hands. The only time they are outside of "100 human control" is when they are being delivered to their target immediately before detonation. As in, on some kind of missile going to their target. And even then, there is somebody with a finger over the "self-destruct" mechanism to abort it.

And yes, this in reality has all the worst aspects of a submarine. Nobody on board to maintain it, and constantly being attacked by the hazards of that environment. And unless it is very deep underwater, anybody flying overhead can see the damned thing. And unless it is almost on the surface, you are not going to be able to communicate with it because things underwater really can't get any kind of radio signal.

That is why for contacting their subs at sea, for decades the US has relied on ELF. Extremely Low Frequency, as in 0 and 300 Hz. That kind of radio is almost perfect for contacting subs or anything deep below the surface. The wavelength is very large and can actually penetrate quite deep and can go a long distance.

The problem with ELF is however, it's only freaking 0-300 Hz!

For those scientifically illiterate, AM radio is between 535-1,705 kHz. FM radio is between 88 and 108 MHz. The WiFi equipment most in here would use for their internet is 2.4-6 GHz. And yes, the greater the wavelength, the greater the amount of data that can be sent through the frequency.

ELF is so slow and inefficient that for the US, it uses it as a way to contact the subs to tell them to raise to antenna depth. Basically sending out five character signals that takes about a minute to send all five. And if a five character set matches one assigned to a sub it notifies the Captain that there is some kind of transmission for them.

And that is just scratching the surface of why this is a completely idiotic concept.
 
I saw the Tsar bomba video....that was 50 megatons. Trying to imagine 100 is mind boggling.

It was designed to be 50, the actual yield was closer to 58.

That was intended to be the first test of a 100 MT bomb, and to be honest it scared the hell out of even the Soviets. That had intentionally "downgraded" the weapon, and it still was damaging to their own nation in testing. Shattering windows almost 500 miles away, and cutting off most radio communication in the Soviet Union because of the effects of the ionization effect.

And the amount of fallout from that test has never been really calculated. However, it is known that settlements hundreds of miles downwind of the test site were ordered evacuated and the settlements themselves destroyed.

But the area of effect of even a 100 MT bomb is easy to visualize with something like "Nuke Map".


Simply set it to simulate a 100,000 kt surface blast wherever you want. In reality, it's not all that impressive. If detonated at Fort Point in San Francisco, only the city-county itself would suffer actual damage from the nuke itself. And even the moderate blast damage radius really only covers the East Bay to say Oakland, San Rafael and San Pablo. With light blast and thermal damage extending as far as Fairfield and San Jose.

And if actually detonated underwater, then the area of damage is significantly reduced.
 
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