Understanding Social Security - No, it's not your money

It has always been a huge transfer program....There was never any "trust fund"....It has been a lie from the jump.
Not true.
The Original Concept was Genuine.

Fuckstains like Tommy Tubberville should STFU.
Tubberville is WRONG in every aspect about SS.
Especially his "Investment Knowledge". Prove me wrong.
It should never have been taken from those who earned it in the first place.
Thanks to our Politicians.
This is 100% on the Politicians.
Ponzi scheme.
Nope, a Ponzi scheme is Corrupt from Day 1.
This became Corrupt because of our Politicians.
 
Not true.
The Original Concept was Genuine.

Fuckstains like Tommy Tubberville should STFU.
Tubberville is WRONG in every aspect about SS.
Especially his "Investment Knowledge". Prove me wrong.

Thanks to our Politicians.
This is 100% on the Politicians.

Nope, a Ponzi scheme is Corrupt from Day 1.
This became Corrupt because of our Politicians.
If my money is being used to pay older investors what is that called ?
 
If my money is being used to pay older investors what is that called ?
I understand that point.

But it is equal to a bank loaning out money to a person, when it's NOT really the banks money.

Do you see MY point?
 
I understand that point.

But it is equal to a bank loaning out money to a person, when it's NOT really the banks money.

Do you see MY point?
The bank has to make good on that money or go out of business the Government can legally steal your money and call it taxes.
 
The bank has to make good on that money or go out of business the Government can legally steal your money and call it taxes.
So, move to any country in the world, that you aren't required to pay taxes.
Good luck and happy trails.
 
The bank has to make good on that money or go out of business the Government can legally steal your money and call it taxes.
I'm NOT arguing that.
The Politicians we have have ALWAYS been Corrupt.

1). Voting raises for themselves
2). Free Insurance, then worse, free Insurance for LIFE.
3). Illegal Lobbying for Personal Gain.
4). Stealing from SS, taking my hard earned money.

etc.
 
Imagine that one of your ancestors devised a plan - let's say in the 1930's - where all of the working family members would contribute a percentage of their incomes to a family retirement trust fund. The workers paid in, and the ones who were retired got paid.

They hired a team of Account Managers to make sure the fund remained solvent, paying the retirees an amount that the fund could afford, based on current and projected revenues from living and future family members. But being very conservative in their approach, they told the trustees that the money COULD NOT BE INVESTED. Just put it into a non-interest bearing account and leave it. The trustees recalculated everything every couple years to make sure the fund remained solvent, considering the number of workers, retirees, and the amount coming in. Each of the retirees got their share of the revenues that were coming in.

But you happened to be in a generation that had more kids than anyone ever anticipated, and when you were in your peak earning years, the trustees went crazy with the abundance of cash, increasing the amount of the pension payments in unprecedented percentages. They were so flush with money that they decided that they would pay pensions not only to retired family members, but members would could not work, for one reason or another. And they promised that no one's pension would ever be reduced, for as long as they live.

As a member of that generation, you questioned the trustees, asking whether they were paying out too much, considering that your generation was going to be retiring one day, and that money would be needed then. But the trustees said, Don't worry. And besides, today's retirees are thrilled with what they are getting. It is much more than they ever paid in, and they love it!

So you generation is now retiring in large numbers and you are told that the trust funds might run dry. You say, "But that's my money!" (It won't run dry, of course. In the worst case, pension payments will just be limited to the amount coming in, which would reduce those payments by about 20%).

So, no, it's not your money that you are drawing as a pension. Your money was paid out decades ago; the fund now requires NEW money from the generations that are working now. You selfish bastards limited your families to one or two kids so you could live lavishly on your two incomes, and now you pay the price. There aren't enough people paying into the family retirement fund. Your kids are going to have to work longer and pay more to fund your retirement, so quit bad-mouthing the little bastards. They are supporting you.

And that's how Social Security works. Quit saying that it's your money and you earned your retirement. Your money is gone, and you are responsible for your own retirement. Be thankful that you are being supplemented by your kids and grandkids, who have no choice in the matter.
How do you figure "it's not your (our) money? The payroll deduction reduces my take home pay. They wouldn't have the ability to take it were I not earning it for them to take so what gives?!?
 
So, move to any country in the world, that you aren't required to pay taxes.
Good luck and happy trails.
I guess people like yourself do not give a shit that the Federal Government has gone way beyond it's Constitutional mandate and has stuck the tax payer with a 36 trillion dollar debt.
 
I guess people like yourself do not give a shit that the Federal Government has gone way beyond it's Constitutional mandate and has stuck the tax payer with a 36 trillion dollar debt.
Way beyond its constitutional mandate.
Did you ever peek at the constitution in your $60 Trump bible?
The 16th amendment Congress the power to levy income taxes.
Your dear leader is responsible for 25% of the US debt.
Wait until you see what kind of debt Musk and Trump accrue, this time.
 
IOW, the entire program is a lie.
It's more like a pyramid scheme. and works as long as there's enough base contributors to feed the top players, and this demands a constant rate of growth, That's why the fed likes 5% rate of investment and loves +3% inflation. When the trust finds were merged into the general fund by new accounting rules by LBJ in his "unified budget" to finance his Great Society efforts to secure black voters and went depletion until 1990 when Congress put it back off budget, but the damage was done. trillions were siphoned off to finance other war on poverty efforts that had mixed results.
 
It's more like a pyramid scheme. and works as long as there's enough base contributors to feed the top players, and this demands a constant rate of growth, That's why the fed likes 5% rate of investment and loves +3% inflation. When the trust finds were merged into the general fund by new accounting rules by LBJ in his "unified budget" to finance his Great Society efforts to secure black voters and went depletion until 1990 when Congress put it back off budget, but the damage was done. trillions were siphoned off to finance other war on poverty efforts that had mixed results.

That of course isn't true.

Since inception around 1935, any excess revenue collected has ALWAYS been required by law to be placed in Special Treasure Bills as the method of holding. The purchase price of the T-Bills has always been available to the General Fund.

Secondly the major changes to SS were recognized for years that the Baby Boom Bump was going to deplete the Trust Fund. So in 1983 Reagan signed major social security legislation that
(a) Cut benefits by raising the retirement age on existing workers - grandfathered.
(b) Increased the SS Tax rate to 6.2% employee and 6.2% employer
(c) Begain taxing SS benefits for those over certain - very low - limits.

There were other tweaks to SS, in 1990 there was an adjustment to tax even more SS benefits.

These changes were to help secure SS for 60 years. Well 1983 + 60 = 2033. So with the Trust Fund running out in 2034/2035 - they pretty much nailed it. Problem is there has been no political will to make other needful changes for the next 50 years after that.

WW
 
Way beyond its constitutional mandate.
Did you ever peek at the constitution in your $60 Trump bible?
The 16th amendment Congress the power to levy income taxes.
Your dear leader is responsible for 25% of the US debt.
Wait until you see what kind of debt Musk and Trump accrue, this time.
I didn't vote for Trump you ignorant shit . The 16th may have given the Government the power to levy income taxes but there is nothing in the Constitution that gives them the power to spend it on the shit they do.
 
I understand that point.

But it is equal to a bank loaning out money to a person, when it's NOT really the banks money.

Do you see MY point?
That's how banking operates. It's the depositors' money that is loaned out.
 
4). Stealing from SS, taking my hard earned money.

etc.
SS was taking too much money out of the economy, thus the government had to incorporate the surplus into the budget. The alternative was to print or borrow money to make up for the shortfall.
 
I guess people like yourself do not give a shit that the Federal Government has gone way beyond it's Constitutional mandate and has stuck the tax payer with a 36 trillion dollar debt.
That's because the American people have decided to invest in liabilities (crime, sickness, indolence, government, sports, entertainment, etc.) instead of assets (land, homes, health, education, etc.).
 
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