UN Vote on Palestinian State in September 2011

[georgephillip]

One of the 1st thing they should do after it is to go to Den Haag and demand reparation-payments for things like water Israel has pumped out of ground water.

There's no shortage of Israeli crimes that demand reparations.

I'm wondering how many of those crimes will have to be forgiven in order to bring a viable Palestinian state into existence?

What percentage of Jews and Arabs among those currently alive would/could live as equals in Palestine?

Would Sharia form the legal framework?

 

[CMike]

The resolutions are meaningless.

 

[georgephillip]

If the international community recognizes a Palestinian State on the June '67 borders it won't be Arabs in need of fast cars.

"At that moment, every Israeli apartment in Jerusalem's French Hill neighborhood will become illegal.

"Every military base in the West Bank will be contravening the sovereignty of an independent UN member state.

"The Palestinians will not be obligated to accept demilitarization and peace and to recognize the occupation."

It sounds like the "Arab Spring" will kick off a long, hot summer.

Israel needs to launch a preemptive diplomatic strike - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

They've forgot to mention the Wall which runs through the West-Bank
Israeli West Bank barrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where's Reagan when we really need him?

Mr. Netanyahu...TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!

There are a multitude of potential devils lurking in the details of how the UN General Assembly creates a viable Palestinian state in September of 2011.

First and foremost (maybe) will the Palestinian state control its own military?

 

[georgephillip]

The resolutions are meaningless.

Because?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Do you see it as just land? It's not Israel must have the land to defend itself.

YouTube - NTEB: Israel Must Be Able To Defend Itself Early

What's defensible about Israel's occupation of Palestine?

Many people around this world believe a crime was committed in 1948 when a Jewish state was imposed by force of arms on a population that was 66% non-Jewish.

Currently that same Jewish state has the 4th or 5th most powerful conventional military force on the planet backed up by 200 nuclear weapons deliverable from land, sea and air.

Israel will exchange land for peace (and tear down that wall) or the Jewish state will vanish from the page of time.

You are insane The land Israel is on is theirs it has been theirs for thousands of years. They need the borders to defend theirself aginst any attacks and you hack know they will be attack.

 

[Shogun]

zionazis are repeating history, ironically.

 

[georgephillip]

I am not sure how this new “Palestine state” thing is supposed to work out. Over 100 countries recognize Palestine on its existing 1922 borders. Most of the new, but not all, recognition is on the 1967 borders that are not really borders but oh well.

The major question is which Palestine , or more precisely, which Palestinian government will be recognized. Will the US imposed military dictatorship in the West Bank be the recognized government, or would it be the elected government in Gaza? Can a dictatorship form a state in ‘67 borders in the opposition of the elected government who believes in the existing 1922 borders? Where is the legal standing of the West Bank “government” to create a state?

I think the creation of a state on ‘67 borders will create more problems without providing any solutions.

What are the distinctions between the "borders" of May '48 and June of '67? Wouldn't the General Assembly be required to choose between those years?

“'We want to generate pressure on Israel to make it feel isolated and help it understand that there can be no talks without a stop to settlements,' said Nabil Shaath, who leads the foreign affairs department of Fatah, the main party of the Palestinian Authority. 'Without that, our goal is membership in the United Nations General Assembly in September.'”

"Another central obstacle to the establishment of a State of Palestine has been the division between the West Bank and Gaza, the first run by the Palestinian Authority and the second by Hamas.

"Lately, President Abbas has sought to bridge the gap, asking to go to Gaza to seek reconciliation through an agreed interim government that would set up parliamentary and presidential elections.

"But Hamas, worried it would lose such elections and hopeful that the regional turmoil could work in its favor — that Egypt, for example, might be taken over by its ally, the Muslim Brotherhood — has reacted coolly."

Do you think Hamas has anything to fear from free elections on the West Bank and in Gaza?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

 

[georgephillip]

Those that condemn Israel are going to be in for a very big surprise real soon if this is attempted.

Are you predicting a Samson finish to the Jewish state?

 

[georgephillip]

Do you see it as just land? It's not Israel must have the land to defend itself.

YouTube - NTEB: Israel Must Be Able To Defend Itself Early

What's defensible about Israel's occupation of Palestine?

Many people around this world believe a crime was committed in 1948 when a Jewish state was imposed by force of arms on a population that was 66% non-Jewish.

Currently that same Jewish state has the 4th or 5th most powerful conventional military force on the planet backed up by 200 nuclear weapons deliverable from land, sea and air.

Israel will exchange land for peace (and tear down that wall) or the Jewish state will vanish from the page of time.

You are insane The land Israel is on is theirs it has been theirs for thousands of years. They need the borders to defend theirself aginst any attacks and you hack know they will be attack.

Some of the land Israel is on belongs to Arabs.

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus (Arabic: الهجرة الفلسطينية*, al-Hijra al-Filasṭīnīya), also known as Nakba (Arabic: النكبة*, an-Nakbah), meaning the 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm',[1] occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it."

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[georgephillip]

zionazis are repeating history, ironically.

"An earlier version of this article incorrectly suggested that the United States would be unable to support Israel by blocking a U.N. General Assembly this September for the creation of a Palestinian state because the United States has no veto power on such a vote.

"States are admitted to membership in the United Nations by decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council, where the United States can cast a veto vote."

Do you think it would be harder politically for Obama to veto this resolution in 2011 or 2012?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/world/middleeast/03mideast.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1

 

[P F Tinmore]

What's defensible about Israel's occupation of Palestine?

Many people around this world believe a crime was committed in 1948 when a Jewish state was imposed by force of arms on a population that was 66% non-Jewish.

Currently that same Jewish state has the 4th or 5th most powerful conventional military force on the planet backed up by 200 nuclear weapons deliverable from land, sea and air.

Israel will exchange land for peace (and tear down that wall) or the Jewish state will vanish from the page of time.

You are insane The land Israel is on is theirs it has been theirs for thousands of years. They need the borders to defend theirself aginst any attacks and you hack know they will be attack.

Some of the land Israel is on belongs to Arabs.

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus (Arabic: الهجرة الفلسطينية*, al-Hijra al-Filasṭīnīya), also known as Nakba (Arabic: النكبة*, an-Nakbah), meaning the 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm',[1] occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it."

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was Israel that coined the term "civil war." It was not. A civil war is between different factions of a country. This was not Palestinians V Palestinians. It was Palestinians V foreigners who came to take over the country. The term "foreign invasion" would be more accurate.

 

[docmauser1]

zionazis are repeating history, ironically.

Drivel.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Those that condemn Israel are going to be in for a very big surprise real soon if this is attempted.

Are you predicting a Samson finish to the Jewish state?

Just keep thinking happy thoughts, because thats all you will have left.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What's defensible about Israel's occupation of Palestine?

Many people around this world believe a crime was committed in 1948 when a Jewish state was imposed by force of arms on a population that was 66% non-Jewish.

Currently that same Jewish state has the 4th or 5th most powerful conventional military force on the planet backed up by 200 nuclear weapons deliverable from land, sea and air.

Israel will exchange land for peace (and tear down that wall) or the Jewish state will vanish from the page of time.

You are insane The land Israel is on is theirs it has been theirs for thousands of years. They need the borders to defend theirself aginst any attacks and you hack know they will be attack.

Some of the land Israel is on belongs to Arabs.

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus (Arabic: الهجرة الفلسطينية*, al-Hijra al-Filasṭīnīya), also known as Nakba (Arabic: النكبة*, an-Nakbah), meaning the 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm',[1] occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it."

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I said thousands of years. how far back is 1948?

 

[docmauser1]

Do you think it would be harder politically for Obama to veto this resolution in 2011 or 2012?

Whatevah, palistanians, contrary to their wet dreams, won't be getting a free Lamborghini each, anyway.

 

[CMike]

The resolutions are meaningless.

Because?

Because general assembly resolutions have no power.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The resolutions are meaningless.

Because?

Because general assembly resolutions have no power.

True. UN General Assembly resolution 181 means nothing.

 

[georgephillip]

Those that condemn Israel are going to be in for a very big surprise real soon if this is attempted.

Are you predicting a Samson finish to the Jewish state?

Just keep thinking happy thoughts, because thats all you will have left.

That will be more than the racist rabbis in Safed have left.

Israel's Racist Rabbis: 'Hate the Gentile'

 

[Ernie S.]

Time to remove the damned UN from US soil. Where is Osama when we need him

 

[georgephillip]

You are insane The land Israel is on is theirs it has been theirs for thousands of years. They need the borders to defend theirself aginst any attacks and you hack know they will be attack.

Some of the land Israel is on belongs to Arabs.

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus (Arabic: الهجرة الفلسطينية*, al-Hijra al-Filasṭīnīya), also known as Nakba (Arabic: النكبة*, an-Nakbah), meaning the 'disaster', 'catastrophe', or 'cataclysm',[1] occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs left, fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it."

1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I said thousands of years. how far back is 1948?

Are you in favor of all people on this planet having the right to claim land their ancestors allegedly occupied thousands of years ago?

Or are Jews special?

In any event the history of Palestine is a little more controversial than you've been lead to believe:

"Palestinians have continuously resided in Palestine since four thousand years before Christ... Their ancestors built the cities of Jerusalem, Nablus, Jericho, Beisan, Acca and Jaffa.

"The Hebrews arrived in the land between 1400-1200 B.C., and only maintained control over it during the lifetimes of King David and his son King Solomon – a period of about 80 years.

"The land then came under Greek and Roman rule, and was then conquered by Islam in the year 637 A.D. under the second Caliph, Omar.

"By that time, the Jews had already left Jerusalem, and Christianity was the dominant religion.

"The Caliph granted full security to all Christians, including personal safety, and protection of property, religion and churches.

"The Muslims declared Jerusalem the capital of Palestine, and the city remained under Islamic rule until the end of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, except for a brief time of Christian rule under the Crusaders."

US Involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Solution or Complication? by Lt. Col. Mohammed F. Abo-Sak