UN Rejects Palestinian Statehood Resolution

[toastman]

Nice deflection.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

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Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

 

[toastman]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

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Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

 

[Phoenall]

No, Palestinian violence and threats because of their blood lust and immense hatred.

Indeed, they do hate colonization and occupation.

Who doesn't?

They were attacking Israelis before 1967. That excuse doesn't work anymore. A lot of it has to do with their religion. Other factors are brainwashing from parents and government.

They were attacking Israelis before 1967.​

So? Your point?

Before there was an occupation, which was your excuse .

Define occupation.

Define colonialism.

What the arab muslims did when the Jews made the land of palestine fertile again

W

No, Palestinian violence and threats because of their blood lust and immense hatred.

Indeed, they do hate colonization and occupation.

Who doesn't?

They were attacking Israelis before 1967. That excuse doesn't work anymore. A lot of it has to do with their religion. Other factors are brainwashing from parents and government.

They were attacking Israelis before 1967.​

So? Your point?

Before there was an occupation, which was your excuse .

Define occupation.

Define colonialism.

What arab muslims were doing after the Jews had made the land of palestine fertile again

What the arab muslims did in 1948 when they attaced Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

 

[toastman]

2

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan, the SAME WAY the Palestinians declared independence. There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended. Palestine was nothing but a black hole then. acquiring land has nothing to do with declaring independence.
You're trying to argue something that is not up for debate. Sorry Tinmore, but Israel is a sovereign state and even the Palestinian government recognizes it. In order for it to be occupied, it had to have belongs to someone. It didn't. You are just making things up as you go along.
You're wrong, yet again.

 

[toastman]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

 

[toastman]

I should also add that after the Treaty of Lausanne, the isssue of 'Palestine' was not dealt with, like the other countries that were under Turkish occupation were. Palestine was nothing but a vacuum after the mandate ended. Nothing but an entity of Arab squatters

 

[P F Tinmore]

2

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan, the SAME WAY the Palestinians declared independence. There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended. Palestine was nothing but a black hole then. acquiring land has nothing to do with declaring independence.
You're trying to argue something that is not up for debate. Sorry Tinmore, but Israel is a sovereign state and even the Palestinian government recognizes it. In order for it to be occupied, it had to have belongs to someone. It didn't. You are just making things up as you go along.
You're wrong, yet again.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan,...​

Resolution 181 was a plan to give a Jewish state half of Palestine. Resolution 181 was rejected and never implemented. That territory that was allotted for the Jewish state was never transferred.

There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended.​

The mandate was not Palestine. It had no land or borders. It was temporarily assigned to Palestine and it held Palestine in trust. Palestine was still there after it abandoned the trust.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I should also add that after the Treaty of Lausanne, the isssue of 'Palestine' was not dealt with, like the other countries that were under Turkish occupation were. Palestine was nothing but a vacuum after the mandate ended. Nothing but an entity of Arab squatters

Can you prove your point?

 

[toastman]

2

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan, the SAME WAY the Palestinians declared independence. There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended. Palestine was nothing but a black hole then. acquiring land has nothing to do with declaring independence.
You're trying to argue something that is not up for debate. Sorry Tinmore, but Israel is a sovereign state and even the Palestinian government recognizes it. In order for it to be occupied, it had to have belongs to someone. It didn't. You are just making things up as you go along.
You're wrong, yet again.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan,...​

Resolution 181 was a plan to give a Jewish state half of Palestine. Resolution 181 was rejected and never implemented. That territory that was allotted for the Jewish state was never transferred.

There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended.​

The mandate was not Palestine. It had no land or borders. It was temporarily assigned to Palestine and it held Palestine in trust. Palestine was still there after it abandoned the trust.

There was never land to be transferred . And you ignored the part where the Palestinians declared independence the same way .
If Israel's declaration was not legit, then why did the U.N recognize it ?

 

[toastman]

I should also add that after the Treaty of Lausanne, the isssue of 'Palestine' was not dealt with, like the other countries that were under Turkish occupation were. Palestine was nothing but a vacuum after the mandate ended. Nothing but an entity of Arab squatters

Can you prove your point?

[But it does not mention Palestine, except here:
ARTICLE I6.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned

 

[P F Tinmore]

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project Convention on Rights and Duties of States inter-American December 26 1933​

For Israel to be a state, it must have some place for it to be. Israel has no territory. It sits inside Palestine. That is an occupation.

 

[toastman]

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project Convention on Rights and Duties of States inter-American December 26 1933​

For Israel to be a state, it must have some place for it to be. Israel has no territory. It sits inside Palestine. That is an occupation.

You completely failed at answering my question. YOU are the one that claims Israel has no territory because no land was transferred to it. I asked you where it says that land transfer is a pre requisite for declaring independence.

For Israel to be a state? Is that what you just said ??

Israel IS a sovereign state. Who are you to claim otherwise?

I feel stupid just talking about this with you. You have no clue what you're talking about.

BTW, Palestine in INSIDE Israel, not the other way around. Palestine has no borders, Israel does.

 

[P F Tinmore]

2

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Not even close to being remotely true. Britain never declared independence. Israel did. So there was no occupation passed on. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Show me a current map that shows an occupation beyond the West Bank

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan, the SAME WAY the Palestinians declared independence. There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended. Palestine was nothing but a black hole then. acquiring land has nothing to do with declaring independence.
You're trying to argue something that is not up for debate. Sorry Tinmore, but Israel is a sovereign state and even the Palestinian government recognizes it. In order for it to be occupied, it had to have belongs to someone. It didn't. You are just making things up as you go along.
You're wrong, yet again.

No it didn't. Israel declared independence on land allotted to it by the partition plan,...​

Resolution 181 was a plan to give a Jewish state half of Palestine. Resolution 181 was rejected and never implemented. That territory that was allotted for the Jewish state was never transferred.

There was no PAlestinian country, state or anything to occupy. It happened after the mandate ended.​

The mandate was not Palestine. It had no land or borders. It was temporarily assigned to Palestine and it held Palestine in trust. Palestine was still there after it abandoned the trust.

There was never land to be transferred . And you ignored the part where the Palestinians declared independence the same way .
If Israel's declaration was not legit, then why did the U.N recognize it ?

The UN can give political recognition but that does not make it legitimate.

The UN recognizes Palestine as a state. What does that mean?

Nothing!

 

[P F Tinmore]

So?

Israel declared independence inside Palestine and has never legally acquired the land it sits on.

Ruling territory, by force, that is not yours is occupation.

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project Convention on Rights and Duties of States inter-American December 26 1933​

For Israel to be a state, it must have some place for it to be. Israel has no territory. It sits inside Palestine. That is an occupation.

You completely failed at answering my question. YOU are the one that claims Israel has no territory because no land was transferred to it. I asked you where it says that land transfer is a pre requisite for declaring independence.

For Israel to be a state? Is that what you just said ??

Israel IS a sovereign state. Who are you to claim otherwise?

I feel stupid just talking about this with you. You have no clue what you're talking about.

BTW, Palestine in INSIDE Israel, not the other way around. Palestine has no borders, Israel does.

Incorrect.

Palestine has borders. Israel does not.

 

[toastman]

LoN treaties that state the land is for the Jews, they are International Law

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project Convention on Rights and Duties of States inter-American December 26 1933​

For Israel to be a state, it must have some place for it to be. Israel has no territory. It sits inside Palestine. That is an occupation.

You completely failed at answering my question. YOU are the one that claims Israel has no territory because no land was transferred to it. I asked you where it says that land transfer is a pre requisite for declaring independence.

For Israel to be a state? Is that what you just said ??

Israel IS a sovereign state. Who are you to claim otherwise?

I feel stupid just talking about this with you. You have no clue what you're talking about.

BTW, Palestine in INSIDE Israel, not the other way around. Palestine has no borders, Israel does.

Incorrect.

Palestine has borders. Israel does not.

Other way around. Remember, I have valid links showing the treaties between Israel and Egypt and Jordan clearly identifying the international boundaries between Israel and the 2 states, maps from valid links that clearly identify the boundaries. You have nothing except a partition map that shows PROPOSED borders.

So, Palestine has no borders , Israel does.

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, show me where that land was transferred to Israel.

Again with the land transfer? That is a Tinmore pre requisite. Where does it say that land needs to be transferred in order to be able to declare independence on it ?

ARTICLE 1

The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

The Avalon Project Convention on Rights and Duties of States inter-American December 26 1933​

For Israel to be a state, it must have some place for it to be. Israel has no territory. It sits inside Palestine. That is an occupation.

You completely failed at answering my question. YOU are the one that claims Israel has no territory because no land was transferred to it. I asked you where it says that land transfer is a pre requisite for declaring independence.

For Israel to be a state? Is that what you just said ??

Israel IS a sovereign state. Who are you to claim otherwise?

I feel stupid just talking about this with you. You have no clue what you're talking about.

BTW, Palestine in INSIDE Israel, not the other way around. Palestine has no borders, Israel does.

Incorrect.

Palestine has borders. Israel does not.

Other way around. Remember, I have valid links showing the treaties between Israel and Egypt and Jordan clearly identifying the international boundaries between Israel and the 2 states, maps from valid links that clearly identify the boundaries. You have nothing except a partition map that shows PROPOSED borders.

So, Palestine has no borders , Israel does.

Interesting premise.

If Germany and Spain sign a treaty saying that they have a mutual border in the middle of France, what does that mean?