UN Rejects Palestinian Statehood Resolution

[Phoenall]

Nice deflection !

Whenever you lose the argument, you resort to asking for links that don't exist. You are wrong, again. Get over it.

I asked for a link so I don't get a say so answer.

Nice deflection on your part though.

You dodged the question.

Your question has nothing to do with anything. You do the same thing all the time. Whenever you lose the argument, you resort to deflecting and asking ridiculous questions.

The UN resolution is different than Palestine's declaration.

Does the UN have the authority to amend a declaration of independence?

Palestine's declaration was in 1988. So your question is based on false premise because you still somehow believe that it was in 1948

Both claimed the same territory. The UN changed that.

Which was not legal under the MANDATE or the UN charter, So the UN denied the Palestinian declaration. They could not declare on MANDATED land already declared and accepted by the Jews. They cant invade in great numbers and take the land as that is against the UN charter, so it looks like they have but 1 option and that is the negotiation table.

 

[Phoenall]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

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Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

 

[Roudy]

Nice deflection.

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Zionism is a European ideology of Jewish nation-alism whose main goal was to colonize Palestine inorder to establish a Jewish state.

Colonialism and Imperialism Zionism EWIC 6 9-15 Smadar Lavie - Academia.edu​

--------------------

Zionism as a colonial project was explained by Vladimir Ze’ev Jabotinsky, one of its chief architects, in 1923: “We can talk as much as we want about our good intentions but they understand as well as we what is not good for them. They look upon Palestine with the same instinctive love and true fervor that any Aztec looked upon his Mexico or any Sioux looked upon his prairie...Thus we conclude that we cannot promise anything to the Arabs of the land of Israel or the Arab countries. Their voluntary agreement is out of the question. Zionist colonization even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. Thus colonization, can therefore continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population-an iron wall which the native population cannot break through."

http://www.onepalestine.org/resources/flyers/MythHistory.pdf​

The physical occupation of Palestine was carried out by Britain, by force, until 1948 when the occupation was taken over by Israel, by force.

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.​

Could you post a document to prove that?

 

[Roudy]

Bullshit, the land belonged to the Ottomans for 700 years, and then fell under British control when the Ottoman empire collapsed. At. O time in the last 700 years was the land under Arab control, nor was there a country called "Palestine".

Zionism is the modern implementation of an ancient 3500 year old tenement of the Jewish faith.

There's enough Islamic terrorist shitholes the world has to deal with now, we don't need another one called "Palestine".

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.​

Could you post a document to prove that?

Which part of homeland for the Jews on land that their ancestors lived on, do you not understand? You are dumber than a doorknob.

 

[P F Tinmore]

...nor was there a country called "Palestine".​

Yes there was. The mandate called Palestine a country ten times. They should know.

You need to read up.

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.​

Could you post a document to prove that?

Which part of homeland for the Jews on land that their ancestors lived on, do you not understand? You are dumber than a doorknob.

Nice deflection!

Of course you can't document it.

All you do is sling Israeli bullshit.

 

[Roudy]

Have read the mandate and cant find any mention of the country of Palestine anywhere, are you sure your version is a real one ?

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.​

Could you post a document to prove that?

Which part of homeland for the Jews on land that their ancestors lived on, do you not understand? You are dumber than a doorknob.

Nice deflection!

Of course you can't document it.

All you do is sling Israeli bullshit.

Deflection my ass. The British intended to create a Jewish homeland in the Palestine mandate. The Arabs, who really didn't have a say, were against it, because they wanted the entire remains of the Ottoman empire in the Middle East to become Muslim nations. Whoop de do, What else is new.

Greedy Arabs got 99% of what they wanted. They're unhappy? Who gives a shit. Israel is here to stay.

Now show us when and where this country called Palestine existed during the last 700 years of Ottoman control and about 40 years of British.

You are a fraudster.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I use the real one. Which one do you use?

ART. 11.

The Administration of Palestine shall take all necessary measures to safeguard the interests of the community in connection with the development of the country, and, subject to any international obligations accepted by the Mandatory, shall have full power to provide for public ownership or control of any of the natural resources of the country or of the public works, services and utilities established or to be established therein. It shall introduce a land system appropriate to the needs of the country, having regard, among other things, to the desirability of promoting the close settlement and intensive cultivation of the land.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate​

Note that the mandatory was an administrative position not an ownership position.

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.​

Could you post a document to prove that?

Which part of homeland for the Jews on land that their ancestors lived on, do you not understand? You are dumber than a doorknob.

Nice deflection!

Of course you can't document it.

All you do is sling Israeli bullshit.

Deflection my ass. The British intended to create a Jewish homeland in the Palestine mandate. The Arabs, who really didn't have a say, were against it, because they wanted the entire remains of the Ottoman empire in the Middle East to become Muslim nations. Whoop de do, What else is new.

Greedy Arabs got 99% of what they wanted. They're unhappy? Who gives a shit. Israel is here to stay.

Now show us when and where this country called Palestine existed during the last 700 years of Ottoman control and about 40 years of British.

You are a fraudster.

I already did that.

You need to keep up.

 

[Roudy]

Tinmore still can't show us where and when this fictional Palestinian country owned by Arabs was, during the last seven centuries of Ottoman rule that Israel is now "sitting on". The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.

Thanks for confirming once again that you and your cause are both frauds.

The best he's got is parsing the words of the British who ended up giving the whole thing west of the Jordan river to the Jews.​

Could you post a document to prove that?

Which part of homeland for the Jews on land that their ancestors lived on, do you not understand? You are dumber than a doorknob.

Nice deflection!

Of course you can't document it.

All you do is sling Israeli bullshit.

Deflection my ass. The British intended to create a Jewish homeland in the Palestine mandate. The Arabs, who really didn't have a say, were against it, because they wanted the entire remains of the Ottoman empire in the Middle East to become Muslim nations. Whoop de do, What else is new.

Greedy Arabs got 99% of what they wanted. They're unhappy? Who gives a shit. Israel is here to stay.

Now show us when and where this country called Palestine existed during the last 700 years of Ottoman control and about 40 years of British.

You are a fraudster.

I already did that.

You need to keep up.

Yeah? Who was the ruler of this Palestine, it's capital, currency, and language. When did it rise and when did it fall (if so).

Come on Pali Nazi fraudster, we're waiting.

 

[montelatici]

"
McMahon was British High Commissioner in Egypt and Ali Ibn Husain was the Sherif of Mecca during the First World War. In a series of ten letters from 1915 to 1916 McMahon tried to attract Arab support against the Ottoman Empire. The following excerpt is from a letter from October 24, 1915. The implied promise is of British support of an independent Arab state.

As for those regions lying within those frontiers wherein Great Britain is free to act without detriment to the interests of her ally, France, I am empowered in the name of the Government of Great Britain to give the following assurances and make the following reply to your letter:

(1) Subject to the above modifications, Great Britain is prepared to recognise and support the independence of the Arabs in all the regions within the limits demanded by the Sherif of Mecca.

(2) Great Britain will guarantee the Holy Places against all external aggression and will recognise their inviolability.

(3) When the situation admits, Great Britain will give to the Arabs her advice and will assist them to establish what may appear to be the most suitable forms of government in those various territories.

(4) On the other hand, it is understood that the Arabs have decided to seek the advice and guidance of Great Britain only, and that such European advisers and officials as may be required for the formation of a sound form of administration will be British.

(5) With regard to the vilayets of Bagdad and Basra, the Arabs will recognise that the established position and interests of Great Britain necessitate special administrative arrangements in order to secure these territories from foreign aggression, to promote the welfare of the local populations and to safeguard our mutual economic interests.

I am convinced that this declaration will assure you beyond all possible doubt of the sympathy of Great Britain towards the aspirations of her friends the Arabs and will result in a firm and lasting alliance, the immediate results of which will be the expulsion of the Turks from the Arab countries and the freeing of the Arab peoples from the Turkish yoke, which for so many years has pressed heavily upon them."

Modern History Sourcebook Sir Henry McMahon Letter to Ali Ibn Husain 1915

 

[Roudy]

Sherrif of Mecca? Ha ha ha. Who gives a fook.

Not even the Turks recognized this mythical Palestine. For 700 years the region was considered as southern Syria on Ottoman maps.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sherrif of Mecca? Ha ha ha. Who gives a fook.

Not even the Turks recognized this mythical Palestine. For 700 years the region was considered as southern Syria on Ottoman maps.

You missed this part.

McMahon was British High Commissioner in Egypt and Ali Ibn Husain was the Sherif of Mecca during the First World War. In a series of ten letters from 1915 to 1916 McMahon tried to attract Arab support against the Ottoman Empire. The following excerpt is from a letter from October 24, 1915. The implied promise is of British support of an independent Arab state.
​

 

[Mindful]

Where's the Partner for Peace?

The Palestinian Authority that Israel needs to make a peace agreement with is hardly what one would imagine the words “partner for peace” imply.

This picture was briefly posted on the Facebook page of Fatah, the central pillar of the PA for their 50th anniversary.



This is hardly the first time the Facebook page of Fatah has posted something incendiary to their page. In November a wave of terror attacks saw Palestinians and East Jerusalem residents using their vehicles as weapons to kill Israelis. Fatah posted on their Facebook page cartoons calling on Palestinians to do more, using the slogan “hit the gas at 199km/h for Al Aqsa”



The incitement only serves as a reminder of the gruesome events which saw the lives of Israelis taken away for no reason other than that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yet we all live here in Israel, this is our place, if you start thinking that there’s a wrong place to go to then you’ll stop leaving the house.

This year we lost over 70 soldiers and civilians in one month alone. In terror attacks outside of the conflict with Gaza Israelis witnessed the atrocity which saw four rabbis murdered while at prayer and the cop who tried defend them also lose his life. We saw three kids kidnapped and murdered when all they were trying to do was get home. 2014 saw almost the entire country in range of rockets fired from the Gaza Strip. Many of those rockets were fired by Fatah affiliated groups in the Strip. Raising even more questions about whether this is a group that we can make peace with.

Yet these are the people I am always talking about sitting down to make a deal with.

http://hurryupharry.org/2015/01/04/wheres-the-partner-for-peace/

 

[Roudy]

Sherrif of Mecca? Ha ha ha. Who gives a fook.

Not even the Turks recognized this mythical Palestine. For 700 years the region was considered as southern Syria on Ottoman maps.

You missed this part.

McMahon was British High Commissioner in Egypt and Ali Ibn Husain was the Sherif of Mecca during the First World War. In a series of ten letters from 1915 to 1916 McMahon tried to attract Arab support against the Ottoman Empire. The following excerpt is from a letter from October 24, 1915. The implied promise is of British support of an independent Arab state.
​

So again, no evidence of a country called Palestine. No such thing as a "Palestinian" at the time.

Just another Muslim name "Sherif of Mecca" to the list of confused Muslim bigots pleading with the British as to what they should do with the newly collapsed Ottoman empire.