UN-Privatize Baseball Now. PLEEEASE!!

[WinterBorn]

This idea you have that the gov't should take over baseball because it is not run like you want and because the owners (businessmen running a business) are greedy is absolutely a joke.

If it were to happen, which is absurdly ridiculous, it would be the most devastating precedent ever.

There would no longer be any private property. Everything would be subject to gov't take over. Every business in existence would be, according to someone, a model of what you claim about baseball.

I guess socialism appeals to some. Perhaps you could move to Cuba and see how you like it.

 

[WinterBorn]

It looks as though Protectionist sobered up and thought better of his plan.

That goodness for his awakening.

 

[Manonthestreet]

I think his team needs a new stadium and his taxes need to be jacked so he can really appreciate the game.

 

[bayoubill]

I see it as profitable AFTER they let loose of it.

I see them not wanting to sell. They have invested a lot of money, time and effort into it.

You might be able to buy a few minor league teams, and maybe one or two major league teams, but that is it. And if your salary limit is $300k per player, then few players will be coming your way.

And there are 10 MLB teams that are supposedly worth at least $1 billion.

Your use of the word "worth" is something within the baseball capitalist mindset. I'm talking from outside of that. This whole thing has degraded so far down, it is time for govt to step in and impose regulation (BIG time) This is a perfect example of how far into disarray and insanity things can go, when left entirely to the free market. Whole thing needs to be REDEFINED. Nationalize the whole league, and then put them under state controls.

oh yeah...! government-run baseball...!

I have no doubt that'll succeed beyond our wildest expectations...

 

[protectionist]

So you want the gov't to step in and steal major league basebal teams from their rightful owners and give them to some sort of halfassed citizen consortium??

You want to cheat the team owners out of hundreds of millions of dollars, and take their property, against their will and by force, all because you don't like the way they are playing the game now??

I have seen some suggestions for temper tantrums, but this one takes the cake.

No, I'd like to see govt step in and TAKE BACK what MLB owners have stolen from the fans. The game of pro baseball. And where do you get off calling a citizen consortium "half-assed" ? What is "half-assed" is this whole mish-mash that baseball has turned into, by being run by baseball ignorant greed freaks.

Yes, I want to nationalize the leagues, I think you heard me right, but it's not because I "don't like the way they are playing the game now". YOU KNOW why. It's because they've made a shambles out of it, and everyone knows it.
And it's not a temper tantrum. It is form following function (as they used to tell us in college, remember ? )

You want to STEAL something from private citizens and give it to someone you think will bring it back to some "golden age" nonsense??

What makes you think you have a right to someone else's property?

Just the thought of a cultural institution revered by millions of people, being one person's property, makes me cringe. How it ever got to even be this way shows how cockeyed American society has been over the years.

What gives the public the right to MLB, is that when not in the hands of the public, and in the hands of private greed freaks, they have been making a frightful MESS out of it. That's what gives us the right. Now if you have any more questions just ask. Like why water is used for cleaning. Like why clothing is used to keep us warm. Like why cooking is good for health. And other tough questions like that. Pheeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)

 

[protectionist]

Owners stole baseball from the fans?
?
Really? When did the fans own and bankroll the teams that the owners stole?

You have one definition of "owning". I have another. And as far as I'm concerned these MLB owners can take their millions and shove them.

Then you are inventing a new definition for "owning". By every legal defintion, the MBL team owners own those teams. You want to try and claim some ownership because you have been a fan? You bought tickets, memorized statistics and ate a few hotdogs watching them play??

You have absolutely no right to steal someone elses property.

"Legal" definition ? HA HA. Since when have laws been immune to being changed ? New laws are being passed all the time. Ever hear of the US Congress ? State legislatures ? County Commissions ? I've already defined the right the public has, and I never even needed to state it. For normal intelligent people this is understood already.

 

[protectionist]

You are talking fantasy.

When I use the word "worth" I am quoting the financial worth of the teams. It is not something you can simply dismiss because you remember baseball being different.

And the gov't has no business taking over baseball. It has no vested interest.

You make it sound like it is a matter of national security that you don't think baseball is as entertaining as it once was.

You think it is not as entertaining, so you want the gov't to step in and fix it??? LMAO!!

You are talking rationalizing.

When you use the word "worth" you are quoting the financial worth of the teams, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM, which I propose to abolish, making that "financial worth" non-existent.

The govt most certainly DOES have a business taking over baseball. Govt's business is PROTECTION of the public. That is it's # 1 duty. Getting rid of these moneymongers and restoring sanity to baseball, is doing just that.

I didn't say anything about "entertaining". That's your word, Not mine. I want the govt to step in fix it > because it is broken, and a complete MESS.

What? Are you high?? You want the gov't to STEAL private property, and you claim it is to protect the citizens??? From what?? High ticket prices? I have a simpler cure. Don't go to the games.

Baseball is not a national security interest. There is no need for baseball. It is purely entertainment. It is a GAME played to entertain the fans. If you are not entertained, find something else.

That's a very weak post. I've already posted what the harm is, and what the protection from it is. The OP stated the case. And it's all very obvious without any explanations.

And as the Rock of WWE fame would say >> "IT DOESN'T MATTER" if it's a national security interest. All that matters is that the public is being harmed in a major way, involving a major part of US culture, and it is govts responsibility to PROTECT the public.

So the next question (FOR YOU) might be > do you own stock in a MLB team ?

 

[protectionist]

You.Are.An.Idiot.

In other words, you've run out of things to say to back up your position, so you are reduced to childish name-calling. Gotcha.

Your position is that the gov't should STEAL these teams from their rightful owners, and somehow make it better. You cannot possibly defend that position. There is no rational reason for the gov't to take over baseball. If the MLB owners decided to CLOSE the entire endeavor, the gov't still has no right to take their property.

Congratulations. You've posted 4 posts in a row now, all saying the same thing, all of which was refuted in the OP before you posted any of them.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, I'd like to see govt step in and TAKE BACK what MLB owners have stolen from the fans. The game of pro baseball. And where do you get off calling a citizen consortium "half-assed" ? What is "half-assed" is this whole mish-mash that baseball has turned into, by being run by baseball ignorant greed freaks.

Yes, I want to nationalize the leagues, I think you heard me right, but it's not because I "don't like the way they are playing the game now". YOU KNOW why. It's because they've made a shambles out of it, and everyone knows it.
And it's not a temper tantrum. It is form following function (as they used to tell us in college, remember ? )

You want to STEAL something from private citizens and give it to someone you think will bring it back to some "golden age" nonsense??

What makes you think you have a right to someone else's property?

Just the thought of a cultural institution revered by millions of people, being one person's property, makes me cringe. How it ever got to even be this way shows how cockeyed American society has been over the years.

What gives the public the right to MLB, is that when not in the hands of the public, and in the hands of private greed freaks, they have been making a frightful MESS out of it. That's what gives us the right. Now if you have any more questions just ask. Like why water is used for cleaning. Like why clothing is used to keep us warm. Like why cooking is good for health. And other tough questions like that. Pheeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)

YOu have lost your mind.

Why not get fans to start a new league?? Why do you demand that you be given the results of someone else's work and investment?

Yes, it is a national tradition. But teams are also owned by people. I know that may ruin the fantasy that these valiant athletes are playing for God and country, but that is pure bullshit. And whether baseball is played well or badly does not effect this country one iota, except for the dissatisfaction of the fans. And being dissatisfied with something that is pure entertainment does not give you the right to steal BILLIONS of dollars from the rightful owners.

The owners spend millions building an organization. The athletes spend countless hours perfecting their skills. And you want to claim all that should be given away for the entertainment of the fans??

And that is exactly what it is. It is entertainment. That you can somehow be delusional enough to claim the gov't should take it over because of PUBLIC SAFETY is hilarious!!!

It is a game. It is entertainment. People own the teams and players play for big money. That you want to steal the entire thing because you dislike the way it is being played now shows you are a blind socialist.

Not happening, Sparky.

 

[protectionist]

I tell you what. If you don't like the way the lawful, legal owners are operating, then you start your own league.

You don't get to use the gov't to take by force what others own, unless there is a valid reason and a national interest.

Get those fans to pony up the cash to start their own league. Don't have someone else to the work and then you come in and steal their property.

The "valid reason and a national interest" was clearly stated in the OP, and this is 5 posts from you in a row, ranting already refuted hot air.

 

[WinterBorn]

In other words, you've run out of things to say to back up your position, so you are reduced to childish name-calling. Gotcha.

Your position is that the gov't should STEAL these teams from their rightful owners, and somehow make it better. You cannot possibly defend that position. There is no rational reason for the gov't to take over baseball. If the MLB owners decided to CLOSE the entire endeavor, the gov't still has no right to take their property.

Congratulations. You've posted 4 posts in a row now, all saying the same thing, all of which was refuted in the OP before you posted any of them.

Refuted? You have refuted nothing. You want to steal billions of dollars worth of property from its rightful owners.

You have no justification for that.

 

[WinterBorn]

You are talking rationalizing.

When you use the word "worth" you are quoting the financial worth of the teams, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM, which I propose to abolish, making that "financial worth" non-existent.

The govt most certainly DOES have a business taking over baseball. Govt's business is PROTECTION of the public. That is it's # 1 duty. Getting rid of these moneymongers and restoring sanity to baseball, is doing just that.

I didn't say anything about "entertaining". That's your word, Not mine. I want the govt to step in fix it > because it is broken, and a complete MESS.

What? Are you high?? You want the gov't to STEAL private property, and you claim it is to protect the citizens??? From what?? High ticket prices? I have a simpler cure. Don't go to the games.

Baseball is not a national security interest. There is no need for baseball. It is purely entertainment. It is a GAME played to entertain the fans. If you are not entertained, find something else.

That's a very weak post. I've already posted what the harm is, and what the protection from it is. The OP stated the case. And it's all very obvious without any explanations.

And as the Rock of WWE fame would say >> "IT DOESN'T MATTER" if it's a national security interest. All that matters is that the public is being harmed in a major way, involving a major part of US culture, and it is govts responsibility to PROTECT the public.

So the next question (FOR YOU) might be > do you own stock in a MLB team ?

If you are demanding that the gov't rob its citizens, there better be a damn good reason. This "cultural entity" crap is not a reason. The owners paid the bills, assembled the staff, got the players, and done all that. You don't like teh way the game is going? Tough. You build your own league or deal with what is there.

The OP stated nothing worthwhile concerning public safety. That is about as lame as it gets.

What would the safety hazard be??? How would anyone be harmed?

Pure nonsense.

No, you have not stated reasons, except you want the game run differently. That does NOT justify stealing private property.

 

[protectionist]

This idea you have that the gov't should take over baseball because it is not run like you want and because the owners (businessmen running a business) are greedy is absolutely a joke.

If it were to happen, which is absurdly ridiculous, it would be the most devastating precedent ever.

There would no longer be any private property. Everything would be subject to gov't take over. Every business in existence would be, according to someone, a model of what you claim about baseball.

I guess socialism appeals to some. Perhaps you could move to Cuba and see how you like it.

Everything IS subject to govt takeover. If/whenever is constitutes HARM to the American people (as these current owners wrecking baseball do)

Capitalism is OK, and I owned my own business for 12 years. In fact, it's probably the primary occupation I had when I was in the workforce. But there is room for some socialism too, wherever and whenever necessary, and this just happens to be one of those situations. Now go take a valium, pet a cat, and take a nice relaxing hot bath.
Temper tantrums don't look good on you, and please get that stinky cigar out of our faces.

 

[WinterBorn]

You are talking rationalizing.

When you use the word "worth" you are quoting the financial worth of the teams, WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM, which I propose to abolish, making that "financial worth" non-existent.

The govt most certainly DOES have a business taking over baseball. Govt's business is PROTECTION of the public. That is it's # 1 duty. Getting rid of these moneymongers and restoring sanity to baseball, is doing just that.

I didn't say anything about "entertaining". That's your word, Not mine. I want the govt to step in fix it > because it is broken, and a complete MESS.

What? Are you high?? You want the gov't to STEAL private property, and you claim it is to protect the citizens??? From what?? High ticket prices? I have a simpler cure. Don't go to the games.

Baseball is not a national security interest. There is no need for baseball. It is purely entertainment. It is a GAME played to entertain the fans. If you are not entertained, find something else.

That's a very weak post. I've already posted what the harm is, and what the protection from it is. The OP stated the case. And it's all very obvious without any explanations.

And as the Rock of WWE fame would say >> "IT DOESN'T MATTER" if it's a national security interest. All that matters is that the public is being harmed in a major way, involving a major part of US culture, and it is govts responsibility to PROTECT the public.

So the next question (FOR YOU) might be > do you own stock in a MLB team ?

How is the public being harmed in a major way? Who is harmed?? Because a sport changed is not valid as "...being harmed in a major way".

 

[WinterBorn]

This idea you have that the gov't should take over baseball because it is not run like you want and because the owners (businessmen running a business) are greedy is absolutely a joke.

If it were to happen, which is absurdly ridiculous, it would be the most devastating precedent ever.

There would no longer be any private property. Everything would be subject to gov't take over. Every business in existence would be, according to someone, a model of what you claim about baseball.

I guess socialism appeals to some. Perhaps you could move to Cuba and see how you like it.

Everything IS subject to govt takeover. If/whenever is constitutes HARM to the American people (as these current owners wrecking baseball do)

Capitalism is OK, and I owned my own business for 12 years. In fact, it's probably the primary occupation I had when I was in the workforce. But there is room for some socialism too, wherever and whenever necessary, and this just happens to be one of those situations. Now go take a valium, pet a cat, and take a nice relaxing hot bath.
Temper tantrums don't look good on you, and please get that stinky cigar out of our faces.

Who is being harmed?? Do you think the gov't exists to make sure nothing changes? To make sure things run the way you want them to run?

What harm is being done to American citizens??

 

[WinterBorn]

This idea you have that the gov't should take over baseball because it is not run like you want and because the owners (businessmen running a business) are greedy is absolutely a joke.

If it were to happen, which is absurdly ridiculous, it would be the most devastating precedent ever.

There would no longer be any private property. Everything would be subject to gov't take over. Every business in existence would be, according to someone, a model of what you claim about baseball.

I guess socialism appeals to some. Perhaps you could move to Cuba and see how you like it.

Everything IS subject to govt takeover. If/whenever is constitutes HARM to the American people (as these current owners wrecking baseball do)

Capitalism is OK, and I owned my own business for 12 years. In fact, it's probably the primary occupation I had when I was in the workforce. But there is room for some socialism too, wherever and whenever necessary, and this just happens to be one of those situations. Now go take a valium, pet a cat, and take a nice relaxing hot bath.
Temper tantrums don't look good on you, and please get that stinky cigar out of our faces.

Save the bold portion for someone who wants to wander off topic.

You demand that the gov't rob US citizens by claiming the public is threatened with major harm.

What harm????

 

[protectionist]

I see them not wanting to sell. They have invested a lot of money, time and effort into it.

You might be able to buy a few minor league teams, and maybe one or two major league teams, but that is it. And if your salary limit is $300k per player, then few players will be coming your way.

And there are 10 MLB teams that are supposedly worth at least $1 billion.

Your use of the word "worth" is something within the baseball capitalist mindset. I'm talking from outside of that. This whole thing has degraded so far down, it is time for govt to step in and impose regulation (BIG time) This is a perfect example of how far into disarray and insanity things can go, when left entirely to the free market. Whole thing needs to be REDEFINED. Nationalize the whole league, and then put them under state controls.

oh yeah...! government-run baseball...!

I have no doubt that'll succeed beyond our wildest expectations...

Somebody already posted that, Mr. Echo.

This was the answer >> "Could they really do worse than what we're seeing now (Ex. David Price "trade") ?"

 

[WinterBorn]

I'll just wait for you to tell everyone what "major harm" is pending for the public unless citizens are robbed of their property.

 

[WinterBorn]

And you want to limit player's salary to $300k per year??

The average salary last year for MBL players was $3,386,212. You think they will play for $300k?

The minimum salary for 2014 is $500k. The players won't play for $300k.

 

[protectionist]

You want to STEAL something from private citizens and give it to someone you think will bring it back to some "golden age" nonsense??

What makes you think you have a right to someone else's property?

Just the thought of a cultural institution revered by millions of people, being one person's property, makes me cringe. How it ever got to even be this way shows how cockeyed American society has been over the years.

What gives the public the right to MLB, is that when not in the hands of the public, and in the hands of private greed freaks, they have been making a frightful MESS out of it. That's what gives us the right. Now if you have any more questions just ask. Like why water is used for cleaning. Like why clothing is used to keep us warm. Like why cooking is good for health. And other tough questions like that. Pheeeeeww!! (high-pitched whistle)

YOu have lost your mind.

Why not get fans to start a new league?? Why do you demand that you be given the results of someone else's work and investment?

Yes, it is a national tradition. But teams are also owned by people. I know that may ruin the fantasy that these valiant athletes are playing for God and country, but that is pure bullshit. And whether baseball is played well or badly does not effect this country one iota, except for the dissatisfaction of the fans. And being dissatisfied with something that is pure entertainment does not give you the right to steal BILLIONS of dollars from the rightful owners.

The owners spend millions building an organization. The athletes spend countless hours perfecting their skills. And you want to claim all that should be given away for the entertainment of the fans??

And that is exactly what it is. It is entertainment. That you can somehow be delusional enough to claim the gov't should take it over because of PUBLIC SAFETY is hilarious!!!

It is a game. It is entertainment. People own the teams and players play for big money. That you want to steal the entire thing because you dislike the way it is being played now shows you are a blind socialist.

Not happening, Sparky.

Teams are owned by people NOW. That doesn't mean it has to remain that way. And not all teams are owned by individual kings. Some are owned by the public. Arent the Green Bay packers and Cleveland Indians govt owned ?

And no Billions of $ are being stolen. That is only your and Forbes definition.

And the ahtletes countless hours pefecting their skills isn't being lost. They can still play and excel. You are talking nonsense.

I'm off the computer now. Your talking ninsense anyway, and not saying anything of any substance.