UN calls on Israel to lift Gaza blockade

"UN calls on Israel ..... " it says in the tread title. Well no. One official in one of the hundreds of UN agencies said something. These types of confusion stem from ignorance of what the UN is: A vast collection of over-funded, ill-managed agencies full of careerist officials doing their own thing and answerable to no-one. Each if these hundreds of agencies with its own empire of sub-agencies, working groups etc. I was once a member of the British Mission to the UN in Europe, in Geneva, and learned to detest the Behemoth. When one has seen it up close and nasty the words "UN calls on ... " evoke nothing but contempt.

It was always bad but now than the UN has morphed into the tool of the Islamists and their toadies it is horrendous.

Absolutely. It panders to the Islamists, and runs down Israel. It discusses perceived misdemeanors by Israel and ignores those done by other regimes, Islamic or not. The UN is a total joke.
So why aren't more Semites laughing about the UN's role in allowing 650,000 Jews to inflict their nation by force of arms on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948? Without the fig leaf of legitimacy bestowed by the UN 66 years ago, the Jewish state would have been born dead, and the Middle East (Greater and New) would be a much more peaceful place today.
 
The UN is a mess alright, with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing half the time, and the right hand shooting off its mouth without consulting the left hand, the other half of the time, so-to-speak.

As a matter of personal opinion, to my only-sparsely-read and -informed and -considered way of thinking, in connection with the United Nations...

The UN Security Council, with its Permanent Five (US, UK, France, Russia and China) - any of whom can veto a UN Security Council Resolution for any reason whatsoever - is charged with matters of security and war and peace, and Israel usually has enough friends and sympathetic nations sitting on the Council at any given time in order to block anything extreme and overly-detrimental from either being Resolved or Enacted in connection with its existence and well-being.

The UN General Assembly is a Grand Idea but is oftentimes little more than a Global Old Ladies' Debating Society - toothless and powerless - but at least it's a place for the world's peoples to come altogether to showcase ideas and to air grievances and to propose solutions and to pump requests for further action up to the Council, which sometimes acts on those requests, and sometimes does not.

But, unfortunately, it also seems that the UN General Assembly - with its large number of Muslim-dominated states, and the much larger number of oil-poor states who believe that they must kiss Arab (and allied) asses in order to keep the oil flowing - has become, in large part, a pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Glee Club...

If the UN was a reasonably well-run, coordinated, effective Guiding or Governing Body - then it, or any one of its subordinate agencies or departments, or any its commissioners or department or agency heads - would manifest an objective, even-handed range of demands and behaviors and outcomes.

In our narrow context here, notice how that 'senior UN official' shot-off his mouth about the Israeli aspect of The Gaza Blockade, without so much as even mentioning the Egyptian aspect of The Gaza Blockade (insofar as we know, from this short article, anyway)?

Rightly or wrongly, this strikes me as symptomatic of the Cancer of Subjectivity that has taken-hold of much of the Body we call the United Nations, in connection with the Israeli-Palestinian Troubles.

Of course, various elements of the UN, from the Secretary General on down, have been calling for the end of The Gaza Blockade for many months now, but seemingly piecemeal, and disjointed, and without regard for how many of the materials presently embargoed have been (and would be) used, should they be allowed back into the region, by a loosening or lifting of The Blockade.

Gazans can blame their idiot masters - Hamas - for getting them into this fix in the first place, and for stupidly using construction materials (like concrete) for purposes certain to alarm or enrage both the Israelis and Egyptians and to cause them to embargo those materials as well.

Hamas = Savage, Incompetent Fools.

Now, had the UN at-large - or any of its supposedly-responsible department heads - called for a lifting of the embargo upon concrete and included within that call a proposal to undertake a strict accounting by a mutually-agreeable third-party to ensure that those bulk materials were not being diverted or 'cut' (diluted) to any substantial degree, well, the call might have had a bit more credibility.

But when these un-thinking, blinkered, single-purpose types get on their high horse, and fail to address the underlying cause for those materials to have been embargoed in the first place, well, it simply serves to showcase either the bias or tunnel-vision of such folk, or both - incompetency on the macro level.

When the UN begins to adequately address concerns on both sides of that divide, consistently and effectively, then, perhaps, I'll find myself doing more than laughing as the Blockaders brush them off like an annoying flea buzzing about their heads.

Ditto for the Israeli-Palestinian Troubles at-large; a much larger issue than The Gaza Blockade or any particular embargoed material(s).

Very good post. But one big error: the General Assembly is NOT the place where the 'worlds peoples' come together but where their posturing, preening 'leaders' indulge themselves by spouting sententious claptrap. Very many of these 'leaders' achieved their position by fraud or violence and give not a fig for their 'peoples' or anyone else's.

Alas, the only relationship the worlds peoples have with the UN is to pay for the monstrous heap of waste and corruption through the taxes gouged out of them.
 
"...650,000 Jews to inflict their nation by force of arms on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948?..."
Because we like Jews better than we like Muslims?

That's true. People who wish you no harm are usually liked better than those who seek to destroy you and the civilisation slowly created over the centuries.
 
Because we like Jews better than we like Muslims?
Because we make more money killing Arabs than we could killing Jews?
Sure. Why not? Now, can we get back to discussing the Gaza Blockade, if that's OK with you?
Sure thing. Let's see if we can do that without discussing the connection between today's murderous occupation of Gaza by heroic Jews and their murderous assault in October-November 1956 and the IDF's mass murder of 500 civilians. Context, anyone?
 
"...650,000 Jews to inflict their nation by force of arms on 1.2 million Arabs in 1948?..."
Because we like Jews better than we like Muslims?

That's true. People who wish you no harm are usually liked better than those who seek to destroy you and the civilisation slowly created over the centuries.
What's your definition of "civilisation?"

"In October–November 1956, the IDF overran the Gaza Strip, where it remained in control until March 1957. During the battle for this heavily populated zone and during the first weeks of occupation, the IDF killed some five hundred civilians, either in actual combat or in a subsequent series of massacres.

"Elsewhere during the Sinai-Suez War, IDF troops reportedly killed fleeing, and often unarmed, Egyptian troops by the hundreds and, occasionally, Egyptian prisoners of war.

"For example, at the end of October 1956, the IDF Paratroop Brigade killed some three dozen POWs near the Mitle Pass. Revelation of this affair in 1995 prompted Egyptian protests to Jerusalem and a demand for an investigation (whose results were never made public).

Crimes of War ? Arab-Israeli War
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a matter of Peace and recognition.

They can and do export. Why not look it up.

Gaza is only allowed to export little dribbles. About 90% of Gaza's factories are out of business. Farmers do not know until harvest time whether their crops can be exported or just sit and rot.
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Obviously the Palestinians appreciate the arrangements. Otherwise they would sue for peace.

I have not seen one peace rally in the news. What I have seen are terrorist on parade.

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If the want peace, if they want prosperity and trade, then they need to demonstrate it through action and deeds. All the world hears is that they want conflict, war and death.

Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.
Most Respectfully,
R

I have not seen one peace rally in the news.

That would be off message of the terrorist propaganda crap.

What I have seen are terrorist on parade.

Indeed
 
The UN is a mess alright, with the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing half the time, and the right hand shooting off its mouth without consulting the left hand, the other half of the time, so-to-speak.

As a matter of personal opinion, to my way only-sparsely-read and -informed and -considered way of thinking, in connection with the United Nations...

The UN Security Council, with its Permanent Five (US, UK, France, Russia and China) - any of whom can veto a UN Security Council Resolution for any reason whatsoever - is charged with matters of security and war and peace, and Israel usually has enough friends and sympathetic nations sitting on the Council at any given time in order to block anything extreme and overly-detrimental from either being Resolved or Enacted in connection with its existence and well-being.

The UN General Assembly is a Grand Idea but is oftentimes little more than a Global Old Ladies' Debating Society - toothless and powerless - but at least it's a place for the world's peoples to come altogether to showcase ideas and to air grievances and to propose solutions and to pump requests for further action up to the Council, which sometimes acts on those requests, and sometimes does not.

But, unfortunately, it also seems that the UN General Assembly - with its large number of Muslim-dominated states, and the much larger number of oil-poor states who believe that they must kiss Arab (and allied) asses in order to keep the oil flowing - has become, in large part, a pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Glee Club...

If the UN was a reasonably well-run, coordinated, effective Guiding or Governing Body - then it, or any one of its subordinate agencies or departments, or any its commissioners or department or agency heads - would manifest an objective, even-handed range of demands and behaviors and outcomes.

In our narrow context here, notice how that 'senior UN official' shot-off his mouth about the Israeli aspect of The Gaza Blockade, without so much as even mentioning the Egyptian aspect of The Gaza Blockade (insofar as we know, from this short article, anyway)?

Rightly or wrongly, this strikes me as symptomatic of the Cancer of Subjectivity that has taken-hold of much of the Body we call the United Nations, in connection with the Israeli-Palestinian Troubles.

Of course, various elements of the UN, from the Secretary General on down, have been calling for the end of The Gaza Blockade for many months now, but seemingly piecemeal, and disjointed, and without regard for how many of the materials presently embargoed have been (and would be) used, should they be allowed back into the region, by a loosening or lifting of The Blockade.

Gazans can blame their idiot masters - Hamas - for getting them into this fix in the first place, and for stupidly using construction materials (like concrete) for purposes certain to alarm or enrage both the Israelis and Egyptians and to cause them to embargo those materials as well.

Hamas = Savage, Incompetent Fools.

Now, had the UN at-large - or any of its supposedly-responsible department heads - called for a lifting of the embargo upon concrete and included within that call a proposal to undertake a strict accounting by a mutually-agreeable third-party to ensure that those bulk materials were not being diverted or 'cut' (diluted) to any substantial degree, well, the call might have had a bit more credibility.

But when these un-thinking, blinkered, single-purpose types get on their high horse, and fail to address the underlying cause for those materials to have been embargoed in the first place, well, it simply serves to showcase either the bias or tunnel-vision of such folk, or both - incompetency on the macro level.

When the UN begins to adequately address concerns on both sides of that divide, consistently and effectively, then, perhaps, I'll find myself doing more than laughing as the Blockaders brush them off like an annoying flea buzzing about their heads.

Ditto for the Israeli-Palestinian Troubles at-large; a much larger issue than The Gaza Blockade or any particular embargoed material(s).

OK, but why can't Gaza export anything? What does that have do do with security?
For the same reason Iran can't export anything and is under harsh sanctions.

It's called Muslims behaving badly aka Palestinian Mentality (TM) :clap:
 
Because we make more money killing Arabs than we could killing Jews?
Sure. Why not? Now, can we get back to discussing the Gaza Blockade, if that's OK with you?
Sure thing. Let's see if we can do that without discussing the connection between today's murderous occupation of Gaza by heroic Jews and their murderous assault in October-November 1956 and the IDF's mass murder of 500 civilians. Context, anyone?
Do you understand that not EVERY thread which concerns Israelis and Palestinians MUST automatically be hijacked all the way back to 1948?

That people might want to talk about Aspect A or B of the Struggle without ALWAYS being dragged back 65 years?

It's that, or something very much like that (1956 in this case), almost incessantly...

Yes... yes... yes... we ALL know that the struggle has its roots in 1948 and beyond...

Thank you, Captain Obvious...


But the intention here... as in so many other threads that you continue to try to 'hose' with your One-Trick Pony 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948 tactics - is to discuss a particular RESULT (directly, or indirectly evolved from) those early times...

And we can't do that if you keep barging into thread after thread after thread with 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 1948, 650000-vs-1200000, 650000-vs-1200000, 650000-vs-1200000, 650000-vs-1200000, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 24 x 7, 365, eh?

This is now... this is the present... and, although where we are now is incontestably and incontrovertibly and inextricably tied to the past... we are presently dealing with a particular development as a stand-alone discussion venue...

Some modest acknowledgment of history is always appropriate in such discussions of the present, however...

Your 'pet topic' (1948, 650000-vs-1200000) should not be permitted to 'infect' thread after thread after thread on these boards, as you continue to use even the most remote and vague thread-titles and content (and sometimes not even that much) as a threadbare excuse to raise your 1948-650000-vs-1200000 in places where is not all that welcome and where it merely serves to divert attention away from the topic-at-hand and cripples conversation on the intended topic or derivative...

If it was just about any other poster (including several whom I am not fond of or against whom I regularly take an adversarial stance) I would probably have not said anything, but YOU, George, play this 1948-650000-vs-1200000 Any-Excuse-to-Say-It-Again Game ALL THE TIME, and it gets a little wearisome, and it's time someone called you on it... and since I started this one (threads rise and fall all the time, I'm not overly-invested in ownership or OP-ship), I took the liberty in this one to finally say something about it, having wanted to for some time now...

If you want to discuss the Gaza Blockade or the United Nations role in connection with the Gaza Blockade or just about anything in connection with it - from Israeli-Palestinian relations to tunnels to rockets to military incursions to Egyptian participation to Hamas and Fatah and the PA and all of that, you'd still be right-on-track and very topical...

But, in truth, I don't think the audience needs to see your 1948-650000-vs-1200000 Parrot Recital for the 10,000th time, in EVERY thread, again and again and again, eh?

I mean, really... open-up your own thread about the subject... call it Armageddon 1948 or something... I'll bet you'll draw a lot of attention and garner a lot of participation... the subject holds the promise of becoming a long-lasting, highly visited thread...

Just stop spraying 1948-650000-vs-1200000 over every other goddamned thread on USMB like a tomcat that hasn't been 'fixed', eh?

It gets tiresome, and does more to obstruct conversation than it does to stimulate it...

You have been giving a good impersonation of a One-Trick Pony with this tactic for some weeks now...

Despite my opposition to much of what you say, even I and your other 'regular' adversaries know you're better than that...

Time to slip-out of One-Trick Pony Mode, with regard to this, don't you think?

Just sayin'...
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"Israel and Egypt have imposed restrictions since the Islamic militant Hamas seized Gaza in 2007. In July, Egypt shut down smuggling tunnels under its border with Gaza. Israel barred the import of all construction materials to Gaza last month after it discovered two concrete-lined border tunnels dug by militants."

1. Hamas didn't seize Gaza in 2007 it won elections and then beat back an attempt by Israel and the US to impose a FATAH strongman in place of democratically elected representatives.

2. Absent the illegal Israeli occupation of Gaza (which extends back to 1967, at least) there would be less need for smuggling tunnels.

UN calls on Israel to lift Gaza blockade, says new closures paralyzed construction industry | Fox News

Jews are not exempt from historical cause and effect.
 
georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


2. Absent the illegal Israeli occupation of Gaza (which extends back to 1967, at least) there would be less need for smuggling tunnels.

(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R
 
georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


2. Absent the illegal Israeli occupation of Gaza (which extends back to 1967, at least) there would be less need for smuggling tunnels.

(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R

Would you agree Hamas would have to recognize Israel as a Jewish State with sovereignty over all historical Palestine (the River to the sea)?
 
georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


2. Absent the illegal Israeli occupation of Gaza (which extends back to 1967, at least) there would be less need for smuggling tunnels.

(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R


What is this Declaration of Principles thing and why should Hamas be required to adopt it?
 
georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


2. Absent the illegal Israeli occupation of Gaza (which extends back to 1967, at least) there would be less need for smuggling tunnels.

(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R

Would you agree Hamas would have to recognize Israel as a Jewish State with sovereignty over all historical Palestine (the River to the sea)?


Good question. Has anyone defined, exactly, where this Israel is that they should recognize.
 
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georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R
Would you agree Hamas would have to recognize Israel as a Jewish State with sovereignty over all historical Palestine (the River to the sea)?

Good question. Has anyone defined, exactly, where this Israel is that they should recognize.
You're raising that old disagreement about Israel's formal borders again?
It does seem like elite Jews have kept their official boundary lines at least as opaque as their nuclear capabilities since it's much easier to extend Greater Israel as far north as the Litani river in Lebanon if you don't have any pesky official borders to worry about.
 
georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


2. Absent the illegal Israeli occupation of Gaza (which extends back to 1967, at least) there would be less need for smuggling tunnels.

(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R


Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist

Could you define those terms and explain how Hamas fits those definitions?
 
Would you agree Hamas would have to recognize Israel as a Jewish State with sovereignty over all historical Palestine (the River to the sea)?

Good question. Has anyone defined, exactly, where this Israel is that they should recognize.
You're raising that old disagreement about Israel's formal borders again?
It does seem like elite Jews have kept their official boundary lines at least as opaque as their nuclear capabilities since it's much easier to extend Greater Israel as far north as the Litani river in Lebanon if you don't have any pesky official borders to worry about.

The legal possession of land automatically defines borders.
 
georgephillip, et al,

Good, solid point.


(AN OPPOSING VIEW)

Absent Jihadist, insurgents, and anti-government activist, there would be less of a need for smuggling tunnels.

It is not about the Occupation, but the threat posed by the elements most in need of contraband. All the HAMAS government has to do is dissolve the Covenant and adopt the Declaration of Principles for Friendly Relations (opposing Jihad as the only solution).

Most Respectfully,
R
Would you agree Hamas would have to recognize Israel as a Jewish State with sovereignty over all historical Palestine (the River to the sea)?

Good question. Has anyone defined, exactly, where this Israel is that they should recognize.

Funny thing is, anyone whos given a map can identify Israel.

Ask them to identify 'Palestine', they won't know where to look !

Tinmore, why do you choose to play stupid ?

If you don't recognize that Israel exists, just say it !! It sure seems that way .
 
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