Ukraine war

[Ringo]

There is no such thing as an "ethnic Russian" There are Russian citizens and Ukrainian citizens. The people you call "ethnic Russians" are the illegal aliens and soldiers that Putin sent into Ukraine to steal territory by voting in rigged elections.

Lying fool, I am Russian, my father, grandfather and great grandfather (back in the 19th century) were Russian and lived in Ukraine. Further back in history I just don't know. And there is a huge number of such in Ukraine. It was the RUSSIAN empire and then the international USSR.

 

[Litwin]

I am Russian,

NO , you are a dirty mongoloid maskal

Horses already look regular in the putin army. Camels seem like a technological breakthrough. Reindeer no longer sound impossible.

 

[AZrailwhale]

With every post….lol.

You didn't answer the question. Don't sidestep it, answer.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Lying fool, I am Russian, my father, grandfather and great grandfather (back in the 19th century) were Russian and lived in Ukraine. Further back in history I just don't know. And there is a huge number of such in Ukraine. It was the RUSSIAN empire and then the international USSR.

And you are no more sensible than a Muslim. If you live in Norway, you are Norwegian, if you live in Russia you are Russian, if you live in Burma, you are Burmese.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Lying fool, I am Russian, my father, grandfather and great grandfather (back in the 19th century) were Russian and lived in Ukraine. Further back in history I just don't know. And there is a huge number of such in Ukraine. It was the RUSSIAN empire and then the international USSR.

Is someone named Gonzales whose family has lived in Phoenix for ten generations Mexican or American? By your standards he is Mexican, by the rest of the world's standards he is American.

 

[Zavulon]

Is someone named Gonzales whose family has lived in Phoenix for ten generations Mexican or American? By your standards he is Mexican, by the rest of the world's standards he is American.

It depends on how does he identify himself and how the other people (especially his neighbours) identify him.
If his name is Gonzales, his skin color isn't exactly white, his first language is one of American Spanish dialects, his religion is Roman Catholic and he sticks mostly with local Latinoamerican community, most of local WASPs, friendly or not, won't see him as one of themselves.
Also, if we count generation as twenty years, and his family lives on the territory of the modern Phoenix from before it was established - its quite possible that they saved even their, say, Yuma identity.

Returning to the question of Ukraine, there is no one single family who lived in the independent Ukrainian state not only 10 generations, but even one generations. Most of now living adult "Ukrainians" actually were born in the USSR.

 

[PeterPilot]

It is likely that Trump will just let Russia prevail and win, to take what it will of Ukraine. It will leave Trump considered justified in taking the Panama Canal Zone, and Greenland, and if he could even do so, Canada.

Russia will defeat Ukraine no matter what POTUS thinks or does. Trump's overt coveting of other countries' properties will only encourage such behavior from others. After all the bluster from Trump on this subject, I won't be a bit surprised if China decides to finally take Taiwan back.

 

[gipper]

You didn't answer the question. Don't sidestep it, answer.

ETHNIC RUSSIANS!!!

 

[AZrailwhale]

You still haven’t answered the question. At what point does a Russian become a Ukrainian? How many years or generations does it take?

Does Mexico have the right to invade the USA because it dislikes the way the USA treats Americans who immigrated from Mexico a century or more ago? How about fifty years ago? Does China have the right to invade the USA for the way it treats the descendants of Chinese immigrants from the 1880s?

What is your standard?

 

[gipper]

You still haven’t answered the question. At what point does a Russian become a Ukrainian? How many years or generations does it take?

Does Mexico have the right to invade the USA because it dislikes the way the USA treats Americans who immigrated from Mexico a century or more ago? How about fifty years ago? Does China have the right to invade the USA for the way it treats the descendants of Chinese immigrants from the 1880s?

What is your standard?

At what point does a Native American in 1800 become American?

At what does an immigrant from Mexico become an American?

At what point does a Palestinian in Gaza become an Israeli?

At what point does a Tibetan become Chinese?

At what point does a Kurd or Armenian become Turkish?

At what point did Soviet occupied Eastern Europe become Russian?

 

[Kruska]

And you are no more sensible than a Muslim. If you live in Norway, you are Norwegian, if you live in Russia you are Russian, if you live in Burma, you are Burmese.

Statehood is defined via citizenship aka Passport

I am a born RSA citizen and also obtained a German citizenship at birth due to my parents being German citizens - but they are Bavarian's.

Ethnicity is defined via language, cultural traits and physical features.

My family traces back to the 13th century - since the 15th century my ancestors have lived and been registered in Bavaria - I presently reside in Bavaria, I speak multiple Bavarian dialects and I follow Bavarian traditions and it's culture. I also lived more then 40 years in Asia, the USA and the RSA.

So what am I?

A 100% Bavarian with a German passport, who beholds a world view.

As for an Ukrainian born before 1990 - he would have been a citizen of the UDSSR - then became an Ukrainian citizen.

What defines Ukrainian ethnicity aka culture/language and physical features?
You would need to ask an Ukrainian as to him seeing/judging himself to be of Polish/Lithuanian, Austrian or Russian ancestry, or maybe even dating back to some Rus-Slavic tribe.

 

[gipper]

Statehood is defined via citizenship aka Passport

I am a born RSA citizen and also obtained a German citizenship at birth due to my parents being German citizens - but they are Bavarian's.

Ethnicity is defined via language, cultural traits and physical features.

My family traces back to the 13th century - since the 15th century my ancestors have lived and been registered in Bavaria - I presently reside in Bavaria, I speak multiple Bavarian dialects and I follow Bavarian traditions and it's culture. I also lived more then 40 years in Asia, the USA and the RSA.

So what am I?

A 100% Bavarian with a German passport, who beholds a world view.

Many Americans hold dual citizenship. I wonder what the dumb MFer AZrailwhale thinks of the many Americans who also hold Israeli citizenship. Are they Americans or Israelis?

 

[Kruska]

Many Americans hold dual citizenship. I wonder what the dumb MFer AZrailwhale thinks of the many Americans who also hold Israeli citizenship. Are they Americans or Israelis?

They would be Jews with some of them ranting, whining and spewing hatred towards Palestinians - whilst having a great life in the USA.

 

[AZrailwhale]

At what point does a Native American in 1800 become American?

At what does an immigrant from Mexico become an American?

At what point does a Palestinian in Gaza become an Israeli?

At what point does a Tibetan become Chinese?

At what point does a Kurd or Armenian become Turkish?

At what point did Soviet occupied Eastern Europe become Russian?

Gazans will never be Israelis because they don't want to, the Palestinians who wanted to have been Israelis since 1949. Mexicans became Americans when the treaty annexing the was signed, immigrants from Mexico become Americans when the pass the citizenship test. Tibetans won't become Chinese because Tibet is a country of its own and doesn't want to be absorbed by China. Kurds and Armenians have their own nationality. The citizens of Soviet occupied Eastern Europe would bever become Russians because they had their own countries that the Russian conquered. NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION.

 

[gipper]

Gazans will never be Israelis because they don't want to, the Palestinians who wanted to have been Israelis since 1949. Mexicans became Americans when the treaty annexing the was signed, immigrants from Mexico become Americans when the pass the citizenship test. Tibetans won't become Chinese because Tibet is a country of its own and doesn't want to be absorbed by China. Kurds and Armenians have their own nationality. The citizens of Soviet occupied Eastern Europe would bever become Russians because they had their own countries that the Russian conquered. NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Then how could you not know that eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic RUSSIANS? Do you not know the history of Ukraine?

Do you also not know after the Maidan Coup, Ukraine started bombing eastern Ukraine killing 14000 because they didn’t like ethnic Russians?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Then how could you not know that eastern Ukraine is full of ethnic RUSSIANS? Do you not know the history of Ukraine?

Do you also not know after the Maidan Coup, Ukraine started bombing eastern Ukraine killing 14000 because they didn’t like ethnic Russians?

There are no "ethnic Russians" in Ukraine, just like there are no ethnic French in Quebec. Russia started the violence in Ukraine to justify seizing Crimea and the other oblasts and eventually the entire country.

 

[gipper]

There are no "ethnic Russians" in Ukraine, just like there are no ethnic French in Quebec. Russia started the violence in Ukraine to justify seizing Crimea and the other oblasts and eventually the entire country.

Dumb!

 

[AZrailwhale]

Dumb!

You sure are

 

[Zavulon]

You still haven’t answered the question. At what point does a Russian become a Ukrainian? How many years or generations does it take?

At what point a Yank became a Hillbilly? At what point a Hillbilly becomes a New-Yorker? It depends on both individual features and environment (especially a quality of moonshine), I believe.

Does Mexico have the right to invade the USA because it dislikes the way the USA treats Americans who immigrated from Mexico a century or more ago?

According international law and existing practices Mexicans from Mexico can support Mexicans from the USA. Then, Mexicans in California may proclaim their independence (and Federal Government may try to fight them). Then, Mexico's government can recognise the new state and sign a treaty with them. And then, if the USA didn't ceased hostilities against California - they have right to use military forces to defend their allies.

How about fifty years ago? Does China have the right to invade the USA for the way it treats the descendants of Chinese immigrants from the 1880s?

Technically, they can say that they see US support of Taiwanese separatists as an invasion in China itself, and, as an act of self-defense, they can invade the USA.

What is your standard?

Basically, there is only one practical standard nowadays. "Might is right".

 

[Ringo]

Military actions in Ukraine show that tanks and airplanes can't operate the same way as in previous wars because of drones.
Where once you needed several wagons of shells, now a few dozen drones with grenades are enough.
Once again in the history of warfare there is a problem that needs to be solved.