Ukraine faces losing dignity or US support with Trump’s plan to end war, Zelensky says

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Zelensky: I will not betray Ukraine​

Trump appears to be giving Russia almost everything it wants, with much of the text resembling the maximalist positions Moscow held during talks in Istanbul in 2022, shortly after the invasion and when its forces held more of Ukraine.

Basically, trump is giving Putin everything he wants and putting a gun to Zelensky's head and saying, "Take it or else. No one should be surprised. trump's number one concern, ALWAYS, is what benefits trump. In this case, he wants a peace deal, even if it means giving Putin everything he wants. We all know he is playing for next year's peace prize. Obama got one. He hates Obama. Now he needs one.
 
JimH52 said:

Zelensky: I will not betray Ukraine​

Trump appears to be giving Russia almost everything it wants, with much of the text resembling the maximalist positions Moscow held during talks in Istanbul in 2022, shortly after the invasion and when its forces held more of Ukraine.

Basically, trump is giving Putin everything he wants and putting a gun to Zelensky's head and saying, "Take it or else. No one should be surprised. trump's number one concern, ALWAYS, is what benefits trump. In this case, he wants a peace deal, even if it means giving Putin everything he wants. We all know he is playing for next year's peace prize. Obama got one. He hates Obama. Now he needs one.
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The guy who played piano with his dick on television is concerned about dignity?
 
JimH52 said:

Zelensky: I will not betray Ukraine​

Trump appears to be giving Russia almost everything it wants, with much of the text resembling the maximalist positions Moscow held during talks in Istanbul in 2022, shortly after the invasion and when its forces held more of Ukraine.

Basically, trump is giving Putin everything he wants and putting a gun to Zelensky's head and saying, "Take it or else. No one should be surprised. trump's number one concern, ALWAYS, is what benefits trump. In this case, he wants a peace deal, even if it means giving Putin everything he wants. We all know he is playing for next year's peace prize. Obama got one. He hates Obama. Now he needs one.
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Have you seen the latest map of the situation on the ground?

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Rogue AI said:
Literally stating facts is hardly an attack. Don't act like a kook and you won't be called out for it. You have nothing but silly talking points.
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Well your blob’s plan is to give Putin everything and Ukraine nothing.

Clearly Putin owns him.
 
Are some of you naturally this stupid or did you develop it over years? Here is a news flash for unless the U.S or other European nations put troops on the ground in Ukraine Russia is not going to be fully driven out and even without outside troops in Ukraine Russia is never going to fully take over the country. Now as we all know few if any here will support sending in American troops and Europe won’t send in troops so your options are continue the fighting for god knows how long or try and reach a negotiated deal and any deal will unfortunately involve Ukraine having to give up some territory that sucks but that is the reality. I have not heard any better options from the keyboard Rambo’s and maybe if the vegetable in chief Biden had taken some action while Putin was building his forces up on Ukraines for nearly a year before invading we might not have this mess.
 
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Rogue AI said:
Ukraine has been losing ground steadily all year with nothing to show for it. It is a waste of our money to continue supporting a lost cause. It is a European problem and we should never have been involved.
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The Trump regime has consistantly favored Moscow.

Trump’s latest is to demand that Ukraine give the Russians what they demand.

This is not standing up for anything.

It is Trump kowtowing,once again, to his master in the Kremlin.

It is also yet another betrayal of 75 years worth of American world leadership.
 
blackhawk said:
Are some of you naturally this stupid or did you develop it over years? Here is a news flash for unless the U.S or other European nations put troops on the ground in Ukraine Russia is not going to be fully driven out and even without outside troops in Ukraine Russia is never going to fully take over the country. Now as we all know few if any here will support sending in American troops and Europe won’t send in troops so your options are continue the fighting for god knows how long or try and reach a negotiated deal and any deal will unfortunately involve Ukraine having to give up some territory that sucks but that is the reality. I have not heard any better options from the keyboard Rambo’s and maybe if the vegetable in chief Biden had taken some action while Putin was building his forces up on Ukraines for nearly a year before invading we might not have this mess.
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Perhaps you should demand Trump negotiate a better deal. I guess that never occurred to you.

So far, the only thing that Trump dick suckers like yourself can say that Ukraine is getting is that they will stop being bombed (for the time being).
 
blackhawk said:
Are some of you naturally this stupid or did you develop it over years? Here is a news flash for unless the U.S or other European nations put troops on the ground in Ukraine Russia is not going to be fully driven out and even without outside troops in Ukraine Russia is never going to fully take over the country. Now as we all know few if any here will support sending in American troops and Europe won’t send in troops so your options are continue the fighting for god knows how long or try and reach a negotiated deal and any deal will unfortunately involve Ukraine having to give up some territory that sucks but that is the reality. I have not heard any better options from the keyboard Rambo’s and maybe if the vegetable in chief Biden had taken some action while Putin was building his forces up on Ukraines for nearly a year before invading we might not have this mess.
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The Biden administration consistantly supported Ukraine. American aid helped Ukrainecmake gains.

Of course, Trump fought Ukraine aid tooth and nail, bullying his GOP congressional lickspittles into sitting on Biden’s requests.

Standing up for freedom and the future is seldom a lost cause.

Betraying an ally in order to please a tyrant is a disgrace to American values.
 
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