saveliberty
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All that BS and no refuting the open system argument? Hiding behind "the lab" once again.
Uh Oh April 2010 was colder than April 1998!
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All that BS and no refuting the open system argument? Hiding behind "the lab" once again.
Old Rocks
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I see, dumb ass. We are supposed to take the word of an unknown board poster over that of known scientists that have worked and published in their fields for the whole of their lives.
Simply put, you fools are saying that all the scientists that study atmospheric physics know nothing. And you know it all.
Do you fellow realize how fucking idiotic you sound outside this little echo chamber?
Simply put, you fools are saying that all the scientists that study atmospheric physics know nothing. And you know it all.
Do you fellow realize how fucking idiotic you sound outside this little echo chamber?
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You unconscionable little lowlife fraud..... YOU dare to talk about sources and bias, and use two stated bias sources to try and make the claim???
DO you even have a spine????
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What scientist? THe ones already shown to be perpetrating fraud for grant money?
And I suppose we should take the word of those green-biased sources you provided above on what those scientists say as gospel too....
Fraud!!!!
Old Rocks
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I see. Scientists are not to be trusted concerning science. Is that what you are saying, little suckee....?
AGU Revises Statement on Global Warming | Desert News
The statement is the first revision since 2003 of the climate-change position of the AGU, which has a membership of 50,000 researchers, teachers, and students in 137 countries. The society adopted the statement at a meeting of AGU’s leadership body, the AGU Council, in San Francisco, California, on December 14th. AGU position statements expire in four years, unless extended by the council.
Following is the text of the revised statement, entitled “Human Impacts on Climate.”
The Earth’s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system – including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons – are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6 degrees Celsius over the period 1956-2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850.
The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate
AGU Revises Statement on Global Warming | Desert News
The statement is the first revision since 2003 of the climate-change position of the AGU, which has a membership of 50,000 researchers, teachers, and students in 137 countries. The society adopted the statement at a meeting of AGU’s leadership body, the AGU Council, in San Francisco, California, on December 14th. AGU position statements expire in four years, unless extended by the council.
Following is the text of the revised statement, entitled “Human Impacts on Climate.”
The Earth’s climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system – including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons – are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century. Global average surface temperatures increased on average by about 0.6 degrees Celsius over the period 1956-2006. As of 2006, eleven of the previous twelve years were warmer than any others since 1850.
The observed rapid retreat of Arctic sea ice is expected to continue and lead to the disappearance of summertime ice within this century. Evidence from most oceans and all continents except Antarctica shows warming attributable to human activities. Recent changes in many physical and biological systems are linked with this regional climate change. A sustained research effort, involving many AGU members and summarized in the 2007 assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, continues to improve our scientific understanding of the climate
Old Rocks
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The American Meteorlogical Society
AMS Information Statement on Climate Change
Why is climate changing?
Climate has changed throughout geological history, for many natural reasons such as changes in the sun’s energy received by Earth arising from slow orbital changes, or changes in the sun’s energy reaching Earth’s surface due to volcanic eruptions. In recent decades, humans have increasingly affected local, regional, and global climate by altering the flows of radiative energy and water through the Earth system (resulting in changes in temperature, winds, rainfall, etc.), which comprises the atmosphere, land surface, vegetation, ocean, land ice, and sea ice. Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change.
Direct human impact is through changes in the concentration of certain trace gases such as carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and water vapor, known collectively as greenhouse gases. Enhanced greenhouse gases have little effect on the incoming energy of the sun, but they act as a blanket to reduce the outgoing infrared radiation emitted by Earth and its atmosphere; the surface and atmosphere therefore warm so as to increase the outgoing energy until the outgoing and incoming flows of energy are equal. Carbon dioxide accounts for about half of the human-induced greenhouse gas contribution to warming since the late 1800s, with increases in the other greenhouse gases accounting for the rest; changes in solar output may have provided an augmentation to warming in the first half of the 20th century.
AMS Information Statement on Climate Change
Why is climate changing?
Climate has changed throughout geological history, for many natural reasons such as changes in the sun’s energy received by Earth arising from slow orbital changes, or changes in the sun’s energy reaching Earth’s surface due to volcanic eruptions. In recent decades, humans have increasingly affected local, regional, and global climate by altering the flows of radiative energy and water through the Earth system (resulting in changes in temperature, winds, rainfall, etc.), which comprises the atmosphere, land surface, vegetation, ocean, land ice, and sea ice. Indeed, strong observational evidence and results from modeling studies indicate that, at least over the last 50 years, human activities are a major contributor to climate change.
Direct human impact is through changes in the concentration of certain trace gases such as carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone, and water vapor, known collectively as greenhouse gases. Enhanced greenhouse gases have little effect on the incoming energy of the sun, but they act as a blanket to reduce the outgoing infrared radiation emitted by Earth and its atmosphere; the surface and atmosphere therefore warm so as to increase the outgoing energy until the outgoing and incoming flows of energy are equal. Carbon dioxide accounts for about half of the human-induced greenhouse gas contribution to warming since the late 1800s, with increases in the other greenhouse gases accounting for the rest; changes in solar output may have provided an augmentation to warming in the first half of the 20th century.
Old Rocks
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Geological Society of America - Where Global Warming Meets the Faucet
Where Global Warming Meets the Faucet
Boulder, CO - No matter where you live, climate change is going to affect your water supply. In some places it could mean tearing out a lawn. In others it might mean channeling torrential rain away from your house and local infrastructures. Projecting what exactly will happen to municipal water supplies — city by city — and how to plan for it is what keeps researchers like at Richard Palmer of the University of Washington busy.
Palmer and his colleagues specialize in taking the broad strokes of global climate models and refining and customizing them to foresee what climate change is likely to do in particular specific water-supply basins. The closer look is just what local and state governments and water planners need to make sure taps don't go dry.
Palmer is scheduled to present his methods and what they reveal on Tuesday, 19 September, at the Geological Society of America conference on Managing Drought and Water Scarcity in Vulnerable Environments: Creating a Roadmap for Change in the United States. The meeting takes place 18-20 September at the Radisson Hotel and Conference Center in Longmont, Colorado.
Seattle and Portland have already been studied in this way, and even cities in wetter climes like Atlanta may benefit from the same treatment soon, as water supplies get tighter.
"In the Pacific Northwest most of the cities are served by water supplies which are transient," said Palmer. "They rely specifically on spring run-off." That run-off is from mountain snow packs that are changing as climate warms.
"You can see decrease in snow pack over the past 50 years already," said Palmer. "So what this is saying is that the natural (snow pack) reservoir is getting smaller and smaller. In the winter of 2005 we had the smallest snow pack on record. That's a real wake up call for us that something is changing
Where Global Warming Meets the Faucet
Boulder, CO - No matter where you live, climate change is going to affect your water supply. In some places it could mean tearing out a lawn. In others it might mean channeling torrential rain away from your house and local infrastructures. Projecting what exactly will happen to municipal water supplies — city by city — and how to plan for it is what keeps researchers like at Richard Palmer of the University of Washington busy.
Palmer and his colleagues specialize in taking the broad strokes of global climate models and refining and customizing them to foresee what climate change is likely to do in particular specific water-supply basins. The closer look is just what local and state governments and water planners need to make sure taps don't go dry.
Palmer is scheduled to present his methods and what they reveal on Tuesday, 19 September, at the Geological Society of America conference on Managing Drought and Water Scarcity in Vulnerable Environments: Creating a Roadmap for Change in the United States. The meeting takes place 18-20 September at the Radisson Hotel and Conference Center in Longmont, Colorado.
Seattle and Portland have already been studied in this way, and even cities in wetter climes like Atlanta may benefit from the same treatment soon, as water supplies get tighter.
"In the Pacific Northwest most of the cities are served by water supplies which are transient," said Palmer. "They rely specifically on spring run-off." That run-off is from mountain snow packs that are changing as climate warms.
"You can see decrease in snow pack over the past 50 years already," said Palmer. "So what this is saying is that the natural (snow pack) reservoir is getting smaller and smaller. In the winter of 2005 we had the smallest snow pack on record. That's a real wake up call for us that something is changing
Big Fitz
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No... your CONSENSUS 'scientists' are not to be trusted. But since you don't recognize any other, all your sources are not to be trusted.
Old Rocks
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American Chemical Society
The American Chemical Society stated:
Careful and comprehensive scientific assessments have clearly demonstrated that the Earth’s climate system is changing rapidly in response to growing atmospheric burdens of greenhouse gases and absorbing aerosol particles (IPCC, 2007). There is very little room for doubt that observed climate trends are due to human activities. The threats are serious and action is urgently needed to mitigate the risks of climate change.
The reality of global warming, its current serious and potentially disastrous impacts on Earth system properties, and the key role emissions from human activities play in driving these phenomena have been recognized by earlier versions of this ACS policy statement (ACS, 2004), by other major scientific societies, including the American Geophysical Union (AGU, 2003), the American Meteorological Society (AMS, 2007) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS, 2007), and by the U. S. National Academies and ten other leading national academies of science (NA, 2005).[28
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The American Chemical Society stated:
Careful and comprehensive scientific assessments have clearly demonstrated that the Earth’s climate system is changing rapidly in response to growing atmospheric burdens of greenhouse gases and absorbing aerosol particles (IPCC, 2007). There is very little room for doubt that observed climate trends are due to human activities. The threats are serious and action is urgently needed to mitigate the risks of climate change.
The reality of global warming, its current serious and potentially disastrous impacts on Earth system properties, and the key role emissions from human activities play in driving these phenomena have been recognized by earlier versions of this ACS policy statement (ACS, 2004), by other major scientific societies, including the American Geophysical Union (AGU, 2003), the American Meteorological Society (AMS, 2007) and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS, 2007), and by the U. S. National Academies and ten other leading national academies of science (NA, 2005).[28
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Old Rocks
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Physicists.
Climate Change
National Policy
07.1 CLIMATE CHANGE(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.
Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.
Climate Change
National Policy
07.1 CLIMATE CHANGE(Adopted by Council on November 18, 2007)
Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes.
The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.
Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technological options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.
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OLDROCKS!!
I busted you on that kind of tactic before....
The AMS link? Remember you used that one on me before.... yeah what does it say again??? oh yeah at the bottom it says "MAY" that means it it could be but maybe not....
Want me to smack you with the others as well again?
You forget yourself and post the same tired old garbage that has been busted before...
I busted you on that kind of tactic before....
The AMS link? Remember you used that one on me before.... yeah what does it say again??? oh yeah at the bottom it says "MAY" that means it it could be but maybe not....
Want me to smack you with the others as well again?
You forget yourself and post the same tired old garbage that has been busted before...
saveliberty
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I'll let gslack speak for himself. For me, grant dependent scientists that have been caught cheating and lying are to be given little credit and more than casual review by everyone outside their circle.
Oh konradv, your fellow lackey is in trouble over here.
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Old Rocks
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Ya sure, Fritz. One just cannot trust scientists to do science. Much better to trust Limpbaugh or Beck. We understand exactly what you are saying. Deny reality at any cost.
gslack
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Deny reality at any cost? thats your mantra there believer.... All HAil the goracle!
You continually take A and make B, C, and D from it, and you talk about denying reality?
Old Rocks
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Much better to trust those that get $10,000 per article from Exxon that try to sow doubt concerning AGW, correct? The same people that are directing this campaign directed the campaign that tried to throw doubt on the medical finding concerning tobacco.
And the same scientists that whored for the tobacco companies, Sietz, Lindzen, and Singer, now whore for the energy company.
Old Rocks
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Ol' Suckee..... You ain't never busted nobody on this or any other board. Your posts are pure adolescent bullshit.
gslack
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I get 10,000 per article from exxon????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
You idiot! Lets get this straight once more..... Cap and trade? Well big oil is already one of the largest investors in it. WHy? Because they can make money from both the cause and effect of a bullshit theory..... Why get paid once for it when you can be smart and manipulate a market and get paid double?
You ignorant algorian zealot, why don't you wake up now....
saveliberty
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Yep. I predict lengthy posts of stuff we have seen and refuted ten times at least.
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