U.S. Supreme Court declines to hear gun rights cases

[Daryl Hunt]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Why?

You want to have to explain to the government why you feel you need to freely speak?

The issue is CCW. Please try and focus. Again, why shouldn't a State regulate a CCW permit?

I answered your question. You should not have to explain to anyone why you want to exercise your rights.

Even if you're a convicted felon?

It depends on your State Laws.

 

[g5000]

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to take up a series of new cases seeking to expand gun rights."

U.S. Supreme Court turns away 10 gun rights cases

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday declined to take up a series of cases seeking to expand gun rights, showing that even with its conservative majority it remains hesitant about wading into the contentious issue.

www.reuters.com

A majority of the justices are clearly content with current Second Amendment jurisprudence.

The Court also seems content with allowing the states to regulate firearms as they see fit, save for the prohibition of handguns.

The Supreme Court seriously failed the American people today. I will explain below.

The New Jersey case is Rogers v. Grewal.

Link: Rogers v. Grewal - SCOTUSblog

The Maryland case is Malpasso v. Pallozzi.

Link: Malpasso v. Pallozzi - SCOTUSblog


Maryland and New Jersey require a law-abiding citizen to prove they have a need for a gun.

That's bullshit. Total. Bullshit.

A right is not something you prove you need. That is the exact opposite meaning of a right.

Imagine if you were required to prove you needed midget porn. The ACLU would be screaming like monkeys if a state passed such a law, and the Supreme Court would shoot it down unanimously.

Imagine if you had to prove you needed to vote. Those kind of laws actually existed and the Supremes blew them away.


The Supreme Court just allowed serious violations of our rights to stand. This is outrageous.

 

[pknopp]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

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If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If congress wasn't so derelict it could get a hold on the Supreme Court and put it back in check.

Then again, a lot of people in congress are likely clueless to the fact that they can.

Congress can statutorily remove the federal judiciary from the discussion completely.

Sure they can but not the panty wastes we have in the Senate today. It isn't whether they did anything or not it's whether the ruling by the Senate will cost them votes.

 

[g5000]

To take away my rights, the State has to prove, via due process, that I should be denied those rights.

Not the other fucking way around.

 

[g5000]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

Yeah. You do.

Pick a city. Any city.

 

[pknopp]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

Yeah. You do.

Pick a city. Any city.

How about the city I showed in the pic above?

I was at a protest a couple weeks ago also. No permits.

You do not have to get the governments permission to exercise your Constitutional rights.

(One in Ohio and one in WV)

 

[2aguy]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.


Wrong, it is "public property," so you have to fill out paperwork because there may be more than one group that wants to use the "public property," at the same time ...and police resources have to be planned for and allocated.....you doofus.......

 

[g5000]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

Yeah. You do.

Pick a city. Any city.

How about the city I showed in the pic above?

I was at a protest a couple weeks ago also. No permits.

View attachment 350767

You do not have to get the governments permission to exercise your Constitutional rights.

(One in Ohio and one in WV)

Name the cities.

 

[pknopp]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.


Wrong, it is "public property," so you have to fill out paperwork because there may be more than one group that wants to use the "public property," at the same time ...and police resources have to be planned for and allocated.....you doofus.......

LOL.........the government sure has you hoodwinked.

You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. If you don’t have a permit, police officers can ask you to move to the side of a street or sidewalk to let others pass or for safety reasons.

Protesters’ Rights

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit. If you hold one without it and your area allows it, great.

I've been to many rallies that permits were required on public land.

I specifically sated public university. If you go to use a public university you have to get permission and fill out a ton of forms. Since it's a public university you are dealing with the government. A government agency for those public universities will provide, process the forms and grant you to speak at that public university. Which they always do. It's the students who then speak up and try to prevent it which I think they also have the right to do but it's more effective to allow the speaker but no one show up. So the speaker has spent a bunch of money to speak but no one showed up to listen. That's much more effective than just telling someone you can't go there and speak.

As far as I could see from Heller the government says you have the right to protect yourself in your home and private property. That the government also has the right to regulate weapons. It's right there in the ruling. Plus it's right there in the constitution in the Commerce Clause. There are no exceptions for weapons or anyone's rights.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case to overturn those laws. Whether you or I like it or not. We live in America. Our constitution says the Supreme Court is the final word. We accept it or we can move.

I've accepted a lot of rulings that I didn't agree with. That's life. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you don't.

I enjoy this win. Hopefully less people will get harmed or killed because of it.

You have a right to protect yourself ANYWHERE

 

[pknopp]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

Yeah. You do.

Pick a city. Any city.

How about the city I showed in the pic above?

I was at a protest a couple weeks ago also. No permits.

View attachment 350767

You do not have to get the governments permission to exercise your Constitutional rights.

(One in Ohio and one in WV)

Name the cities.

Know Your Rights | Protesters’ Rights | ACLU

The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. Make sure you’re prepared by brushing up on your rights before heading out...

www.aclu.org

You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. If you don’t have a permit, police officers can ask you to move to the side of a street or sidewalk to let others pass or for safety reasons.

 

[g5000]

I was at a protest a couple weeks ago also. No permits.

Whoever organized the protest had to get a permit. I guarantee it.

 

[2aguy]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit. If you hold one without it and your area allows it, great.

I've been to many rallies that permits were required on public land.

I specifically sated public university. If you go to use a public university you have to get permission and fill out a ton of forms. Since it's a public university you are dealing with the government. A government agency for those public universities will provide, process the forms and grant you to speak at that public university. Which they always do. It's the students who then speak up and try to prevent it which I think they also have the right to do but it's more effective to allow the speaker but no one show up. So the speaker has spent a bunch of money to speak but no one showed up to listen. That's much more effective than just telling someone you can't go there and speak.

As far as I could see from Heller the government says you have the right to protect yourself in your home and private property. That the government also has the right to regulate weapons. It's right there in the ruling. Plus it's right there in the constitution in the Commerce Clause. There are no exceptions for weapons or anyone's rights.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case to overturn those laws. Whether you or I like it or not. We live in America. Our constitution says the Supreme Court is the final word. We accept it or we can move.

I've accepted a lot of rulings that I didn't agree with. That's life. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you don't.

I enjoy this win. Hopefully less people will get harmed or killed because of it.

As far as I could see from Heller the government says you have the right to protect yourself in your home and private property. That the government also has the right to regulate weapons. It's right there in the ruling. Plus it's right there in the constitution in the Commerce Clause. There are no exceptions for weapons or anyone's rights.


You didn't read Heller then......and it isn't just Heller anymore...

What Heller allows.....keeping felons from owning guns and at certain sensitive sites...

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.

Then......

Some have made the argument, bordering on the frivolous, that only those arms in existence in the 18th century are protected by the Second Amendment.

We do not interpret constitutional rights that way. Just as the First Amendment protects modern forms of communications, e.g., Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U. S. 844, 849 (1997), and the Fourth Amendment applies to modern forms of search, e.g., Kyllo v. United States, 533 U. S. 27, 35–36 (2001), the Second Amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of the founding.

And that Carry Part....

In Muscarello v. United States, 524 U. S. 125 (1998), in the course of analyzing the meaning of “carries a firearm” in a federal criminal statute, JUSTICE GINSBURG wrote that “urely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution’s Second Amendment . . . indicate: ‘wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.’”
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In numerous instances, “bear arms” was unambiguously used to refer to the carrying of weapons outside of an organized militia. The most prominent examples are those most relevant to the Second Amendment: Nine state constitutional provisions written in the 18th century or the first two decades of the 19th, which enshrined a right of citizens to “bear arms in defense of themselves and the state” or “bear arms in defense of himself and the state.” 8

It is clear from those formulations that “bear arms” did not refer only to carry ing a weapon in an organized military unit. Justice James Wilson interpreted the Pennsylvania Constitution’s armsbearing right, for example, as a recognition of the natural right of defense “of one’s person or house”—what he called the law of “self preservation.”

So Heller did address these questions....the left wing lower courts are simply breaking the law and ignoring the Heller decision.

 

[2aguy]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

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If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit. If you hold one without it and your area allows it, great.

I've been to many rallies that permits were required on public land.

I specifically sated public university. If you go to use a public university you have to get permission and fill out a ton of forms. Since it's a public university you are dealing with the government. A government agency for those public universities will provide, process the forms and grant you to speak at that public university. Which they always do. It's the students who then speak up and try to prevent it which I think they also have the right to do but it's more effective to allow the speaker but no one show up. So the speaker has spent a bunch of money to speak but no one showed up to listen. That's much more effective than just telling someone you can't go there and speak.

As far as I could see from Heller the government says you have the right to protect yourself in your home and private property. That the government also has the right to regulate weapons. It's right there in the ruling. Plus it's right there in the constitution in the Commerce Clause. There are no exceptions for weapons or anyone's rights.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case to overturn those laws. Whether you or I like it or not. We live in America. Our constitution says the Supreme Court is the final word. We accept it or we can move.

I've accepted a lot of rulings that I didn't agree with. That's life. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you don't.

I enjoy this win. Hopefully less people will get harmed or killed because of it.

The Supreme Court didn't make a ruling....... the laws are still in violation of Heller since they did make that ruling.

 

[g5000]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

Yeah. You do.

Pick a city. Any city.

How about the city I showed in the pic above?

I was at a protest a couple weeks ago also. No permits.

View attachment 350767

You do not have to get the governments permission to exercise your Constitutional rights.

(One in Ohio and one in WV)

Name the cities.

Know Your Rights | Protesters’ Rights | ACLU

The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. Make sure you’re prepared by brushing up on your rights before heading out...

www.aclu.org

You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. If you don’t have a permit, police officers can ask you to move to the side of a street or sidewalk to let others pass or for safety reasons.

From your link:

• Certain types of events may require permits. These include a march or parade that requires blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.

You see that last photo you posted? They are blocking a street. That required a permit.

Name the cities.

 

[g5000]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit. If you hold one without it and your area allows it, great.

I've been to many rallies that permits were required on public land.

I specifically sated public university. If you go to use a public university you have to get permission and fill out a ton of forms. Since it's a public university you are dealing with the government. A government agency for those public universities will provide, process the forms and grant you to speak at that public university. Which they always do. It's the students who then speak up and try to prevent it which I think they also have the right to do but it's more effective to allow the speaker but no one show up. So the speaker has spent a bunch of money to speak but no one showed up to listen. That's much more effective than just telling someone you can't go there and speak.

As far as I could see from Heller the government says you have the right to protect yourself in your home and private property. That the government also has the right to regulate weapons. It's right there in the ruling. Plus it's right there in the constitution in the Commerce Clause. There are no exceptions for weapons or anyone's rights.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case to overturn those laws. Whether you or I like it or not. We live in America. Our constitution says the Supreme Court is the final word. We accept it or we can move.

I've accepted a lot of rulings that I didn't agree with. That's life. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you don't.

I enjoy this win. Hopefully less people will get harmed or killed because of it.

The Supreme Court didn't make a ruling....... the laws are still in violation of Heller since they did make that ruling.

The Supremes are allowing lower court decisions to stand.

The lower courts mistakenly said the New Jersey and Maryland laws are constitutional.

If the Supremes felt strongly opposed to that idea, they would have taken the cases.

Kavanaugh wanted to take them on.

 

[g5000]

pknopp name the cities so I can provide you the links to those municipal web sites and show you they require permits.

I have to go right now. But I will be back. I hope you have the integrity to admit your mistake.

 

[pknopp]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit. If you hold one without it and your area allows it, great.

I've been to many rallies that permits were required on public land.

I specifically sated public university. If you go to use a public university you have to get permission and fill out a ton of forms. Since it's a public university you are dealing with the government. A government agency for those public universities will provide, process the forms and grant you to speak at that public university. Which they always do. It's the students who then speak up and try to prevent it which I think they also have the right to do but it's more effective to allow the speaker but no one show up. So the speaker has spent a bunch of money to speak but no one showed up to listen. That's much more effective than just telling someone you can't go there and speak.

As far as I could see from Heller the government says you have the right to protect yourself in your home and private property. That the government also has the right to regulate weapons. It's right there in the ruling. Plus it's right there in the constitution in the Commerce Clause. There are no exceptions for weapons or anyone's rights.

The Supreme Court refused to hear the case to overturn those laws. Whether you or I like it or not. We live in America. Our constitution says the Supreme Court is the final word. We accept it or we can move.

I've accepted a lot of rulings that I didn't agree with. That's life. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you don't.

I enjoy this win. Hopefully less people will get harmed or killed because of it.

The Supreme Court didn't make a ruling....... the laws are still in violation of Heller since they did make that ruling.

They let stand lower rulings which is the same thing.

 

[pknopp]

I'm surprised they turned them all away.

I'm glad they did.

They just upheld existing case law and the constitution.

The constitution gives the government the right to regulate commerce. Selling and buying a weapon is commerce.

There is no place in the constitution that says the government can't regulate weapons, sales of weapons or weapon permits.

The people have a right to know why people feel the need to carry a concealed or open carry a weapon. I applaud New Jersey for having that law. Telling the state the reason for actions isn't unconstitutional or denying anyone a weapon.

I applaud all states that put proper safety laws and regulations on weapons.

I don't want the states regulating rights.

Who lost their weapon?

No one has taken anyone's right to own a weapon away from them.

Regulating and imposing safety laws isn't taking weapons away from anyone.

The states have the right to regulate rights. It's done all the time. You can't yell fire in a theater.

I'm stopping there.......you are allowed to yell fire in a theater. This may still be one of the most misunderstood rulings still argued.

The ruling about you not being able to do that was a very short lived ruling and was overturned.

It's Time to Stop Using the 'Fire in a Crowded Theater' Quote

Ok but you can't speak and incite a riot.

If you do something that gets someone hurt you can be held liable.

You can't get an abortion in many places without telling why and jumping through a gazillion hoops.

No argument.

If you want to hold a rally on public property you have to tell the government why and fill out a ton of forms.

No you don't. I did it today.

View attachment 350719

If you want to speak at a public University you have to fill out a ton of forms and tell the government why.

If you want to speak at the university proper you have to get the Universities permission. If it's a private university you have to get their permission anywhere. If it's a public university you can preach until you are content in generally accessed areas.

What makes the second amendment different from other rights?

The answer to that is nothing. Heller ruled just that.

Heller didn't. Again, Heller ruled that they were not necessarily saying there were no restrictions. Heller did not say there was.

Yes the government can and does regulate our rights.

You don't have to like it. I don't like it. We do have to follow the law.

We have to follow the law but what is more important is actually knowing the law.

I know that if anyone wants to hold a rally on public property they must have a permit.

No you don't.

Yeah. You do.

Pick a city. Any city.

How about the city I showed in the pic above?

I was at a protest a couple weeks ago also. No permits.

View attachment 350767

You do not have to get the governments permission to exercise your Constitutional rights.

(One in Ohio and one in WV)

Name the cities.

Know Your Rights | Protesters’ Rights | ACLU

The First Amendment protects your right to assemble and express your views through protest. However, police and other government officials are allowed to place certain narrow restrictions on the exercise of speech rights. Make sure you’re prepared by brushing up on your rights before heading out...

www.aclu.org

You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic. If you don’t have a permit, police officers can ask you to move to the side of a street or sidewalk to let others pass or for safety reasons.

From your link:

• Certain types of events may require permits. These include a march or parade that requires blocking traffic or street closure; a large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or a rally over a certain size at most parks or plazas.

You see that last photo you posted? They are blocking a street. That required a permit.

Name the cities.

Nope. The cops were actually really cool. No permits. Could they have made us move out of the traffics way? Yes they could have. We could have marched on the sidewalk. They decided to be cool and block traffic.

I've held protests myself. No permits. I didn't block traffic. I did call the sheriff's office to let them know we were going to protest, but that was just being respectful. They did send a car out.

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