U.S. State Department: Israel is not a tolerant society

[Modbert]

so if an american woman goes to saudi arabia and drives a car, comes back to the US, she should be extradited back to Saudi to be stoned or beaten?

Nope. And you know why that is? Because of our military might and laws. Saudi Arabia could make such a case and try to get her back. However, do you think they would risk their entire existence for one woman?

 

[Modbert]

who determines that right?

Good luck in trying to get a answer. I've been asking that since practically the beginning.

 

[Shogun]

Then why is Israel recognized as a nation, while Palestine is not?


because a million christians are scared for their salvation and being called antisemites. If America were consistent about it's own culture of ethnic equality we'd have treated Israel like South Africa back in the 90s. Enjoying global favoritism paid for with the lives of 8 million jews in the holocaust seems to buy validity these days.

We treated South Africa as a sovereign nation with the right to exist back in the 1980's

yea! we sure didn't have anything to say about South Africa in the 80s!


Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





sheesh.. what WONT you people say?

 

[Modbert]

yea! we sure didn't have anything to say about South Africa in the 80s!


Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





sheesh.. what WONT you people say?

He must think Reagan's word is law.

 

[elvis]

so if an american woman goes to saudi arabia and drives a car, comes back to the US, she should be extradited back to Saudi to be stoned or beaten?

Nope. And you know why that is? Because of our military might and laws. Saudi Arabia could make such a case and try to get her back. However, do you think they would risk their entire existence for one woman?

Sarajevo 1914.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

of course. but the act would be illegal. because Israel has a recognized right to exist, in spite of your inanity.

Double standard. Because the U.N. says it's illegal today makes it okay for us to commit Genocide against the Native Americans huh?

who said it was ok? what the **** are you prattlin on about? The injins had a right to their existence and their way of life. And we took it from them and appropriated it for ourselves

Israel has a recognized place to exist because the U.S. and her allies are willing to nuke any country that dares to **** with Israel. That, and Israel has over 150 nukes of her own. So even if someone was to attack Israel or nuke her, they would be making that land being unable to live in for centuries. And that, would probably be some irony. Some sad irony to say the least.

If sovereign nations do not have a right to exist than all international law is meaningles. Which might make sense in your Israel-hatin libtard world, but we function in the real world- where law trumps Carlin.

 

[elvis]

somewhere in this debate belongs the Treaty of Westphalia.

 

[Shogun]

and just to add to that, shogie, dogbert said the palis had a country before Israel did, and that is false.

they had just as much of a community presence as Natives did in North America. if they were not classified as such by Europe they must not count... you know.. like manifest destiny injuns.

They dont count anymore, inasmuch as the US is a sovereign nation. As are the Native Americans.


Again, the FACT is that jews have a pattern of usurping that land from those who were originally on it. It's been happening since the toppling of Canaan.

Been happening since the beginning of time, and its not just the Jews doin it.

That many other have done it throughout history doesn't validate the practice today. Many people have persecuted jews too.. By your standard I guess that means Germany can go ahead and fire up the gas chambers again.


WOW.


And, just to rub salt in your silly opinion, Both Ronald Reagan AND Margaret Thatcher both saw the organization that NELSON MANDELA worked with against apartheid AS TERRORISTS.


oh yes, the irony is RICH.

 

[Modbert]

Sarajevo 1914.

Heh, good example almost. Except the reasons for that war went far beyond just that one event would you not agree?

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Indeed. Watch how all of a sudden Iran becomes evil for doing the same thing he just cheered. Those who hold their feet on the necks of others are oft cavalier about the concept of crusaded domination.

Of course, Punk here is showing a double standard. And in the same sentence that he bashes the U.N, he uses the laws of a group he has such a low opinion of. I'm not getting that quite much.

Yeah. The UN is the only source of international law

 

[Shogun]

so legally, how do you prosecute Hitler? on what grounds? whatever Britain, Russia, and America say?

Because a country has a set of laws. They used their military might to prosecute Hitler if he was not a coward. They have their own laws and therefore own international ruling.

For example, I could be charged with something in Iran or Singapore that's legal here in the U.S. Why is that? Because those countries have their own laws and use their police/justice system to back that up. The same thing in our case. Hitler would of been charged, given a fair trial, and sentenced accordingly.

so if an american woman goes to saudi arabia and drives a car, comes back to the US, she should be extradited back to Saudi to be stoned or beaten?

.... If an American pedofile goes to Thailand to **** children and comes back to the US should he not be charged for his crimes in that nation?

 

[Shogun]

somewhere in this debate belongs the Treaty of Westphalia.

Would you preserve as much ethnic equality as you already enjoy in such a treaty?

 

[ThePickledPunk]

they had just as much of a community presence as Natives did in North America. if they were not classified as such by Europe they must not count... you know.. like manifest destiny injuns.

They dont count anymore, inasmuch as the US is a sovereign nation. As are the Native Americans.


Again, the FACT is that jews have a pattern of usurping that land from those who were originally on it. It's been happening since the toppling of Canaan.

Been happening since the beginning of time, and its not just the Jews doin it.

That many other have done it throughout history doesn't validate the practice today.

That goes without sayin.

Many people have persecuted jews too.. By your standard I guess that means Germany can go ahead and fire up the gas chambers again.

Actually- by the OPs standard this is true, as nations do not have a right to exist, and neither do individuals.


WOW.


And, just to rub salt in your silly opinion, Both Ronald Reagan AND Margaret Thatcher both saw the organization that NELSON MANDELA worked with against apartheid AS TERRORISTS.

And that has what to do with Israel's rights as a sovereign nation?


oh yes, the irony is RICH.

you are batshit crazy

 

[Modbert]

If sovereign nations do not have a right to exist than all international law is meaningles. Which might make sense in your Israel-hatin libtard world, but we function in the real world- where law trumps Carlin.

As if it's meaningful now? How many genocides are happening in Africa alone at this very moment? How many times does Russia, China, and countless other countries thumb their nose at the U.N. Seriously, if you think International Law means much now, you really are delusional.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

Then why is Israel recognized as a nation, while Palestine is not?


because a million christians are scared for their salvation and being called antisemites. If America were consistent about it's own culture of ethnic equality we'd have treated Israel like South Africa back in the 90s. Enjoying global favoritism paid for with the lives of 8 million jews in the holocaust seems to buy validity these days.

We treated South Africa as a sovereign nation with the right to exist back in the 1980's

yea! we sure didn't have anything to say about South Africa in the 80s!


Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





sheesh.. what WONT you people say?

What does this have to do with recognizing that South Africa is a sovereign nation?

 

[elvis]

Sarajevo 1914.

Heh, good example almost. Except the reasons for that war went far beyond just that one event would you not agree?

yes and no. without it, i don't know if it would have occured. but without war guarantees, the search for national identity, and blank checks, it wouldn't have happened either. the saudis wouldn't risk their existence for one woman. however, if the saudi royal family were gunned down in NYC.......

 

[elvis]

Because a country has a set of laws. They used their military might to prosecute Hitler if he was not a coward. They have their own laws and therefore own international ruling.

For example, I could be charged with something in Iran or Singapore that's legal here in the U.S. Why is that? Because those countries have their own laws and use their police/justice system to back that up. The same thing in our case. Hitler would of been charged, given a fair trial, and sentenced accordingly.

so if an american woman goes to saudi arabia and drives a car, comes back to the US, she should be extradited back to Saudi to be stoned or beaten?

.... If an American pedofile goes to Thailand to **** children and comes back to the US should he not be charged for his crimes in that nation?

that is an easy question for us. the question I posed is not easy.

 

[Modbert]

you are batshit crazy

Coming out of your mouth that is hilarious.

 

[ThePickledPunk]

If sovereign nations do not have a right to exist than all international law is meaningles. Which might make sense in your Israel-hatin libtard world, but we function in the real world- where law trumps Carlin.

As if it's meaningful now?
Extremely.


How many genocides are happening in Africa alone at this very moment? How many times does Russia, China, and countless other countries thumb their nose at the U.N.

All the time. Because the UN has its nuts clipped.


Seriously, if you think International Law means much now, you really are delusional.

Christ, you libs are loons. If you think international law is meaningless, how do you think we would function without it? No trade, no maritime laws, no patents, no treaties.....******* idiots.

 

[Modbert]

yes and no. without it, i don't know if it would have occured. but without war guarantees, the search for national identity, and blank checks, it wouldn't have happened either. the saudis wouldn't risk their existence for one woman. however, if the saudi royal family were gunned down in NYC.......

Then the people would be caught and handed off to the Saudis. That's not a complicated issue like that seemed to be.