Two Questions: Why Must an Attorney General be Independent From their Boss, the President. Why does that ONLY Apply to Republicans?

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An Attorney General is not a judge, who must weigh both sides fairly, following the example of blindfolded Lady Justice. An Attorney General is an advocate. An advocate for punishing criminals, but also the most trusted holder of prosecutorial discretion in the nation. An Attorney General General is a member of the current administration. A Cabinet-level member, who will advise the president, but should not go against the will of the voters by defying the president when the president chooses to follow his or her own counsel.

Where did Democrats get the idea that the Attorney General is required to be "independent?"

Even the current Democrat Attorney General admits that the DOJ is not constitutionally required to be independent.


We make that commitment not because independence is necessarily constitutionally required, but because it is the only way to ensure that our law enforcement decisions are free from partisan influence.

Early in that goodbye speech, he said:

Our norms are a promise to treat like cases alike — that we will not have one rule for the powerful and another for the powerless, one rule for friends and another for foes.

His whole four year term was nothing but the exact opposite of that. What's more, he seems like such a milquetoast, that it is highly unlikely he made the decision to push these partisan prosecutions and investigations. The opposite of independent.

If Democrats truly believe that the AG should be independent, where was their outrage when President Obama called AG Eric Holder "my wingman?" Where was the outrage when President Bill Clinton met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch after using his powers to hold up her airplane on the tarmac?


The meeting took place days before then-FBI Director James Comey announced the bureau would not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton's wife, for her emails. However, Comey called her handling of classified information "extremely careless."

Is that the kind of undue influence that you fear a non-independent Attorney General would be subject to? If so, why do you not trumpet it as a prime example of what you are concerned about? Then at least your arguments would have some credibility and not be such pure partisan hackery.
 
The Attorney General is the Nation's attorney ... their job is to zealously advocate for our Nation's legal rights in a court-of-law ... they are beholden to the People, not the President ...

Only the selection is political, we voted Trump back into office because we want him to select our next Attorney General ...

Are we planning Federal felonies or something? ...
 
The Attorney General is the Nation's attorney ... their job is to zealously advocate for our Nation's legal rights in a court-of-law ... they are beholden to the People, not the President ...

Only the selection is political, we voted Trump back into office because we want him to select our next Attorney General ...

Are we planning Federal felonies or something? ...
Every cabinet member is beholden to the people. They meet that obligation by following the president elected by the people.

How do you feel about Eric Holder being Obama's wingman, and President Clinton's sudden suprise meeting with Loretta Lynch on the tarmac?
 
An Attorney General is not a judge, who must weigh both sides fairly, following the example of blindfolded Lady Justice. An Attorney General is an advocate. An advocate for punishing criminals, but also the most trusted holder of prosecutorial discretion in the nation. An Attorney General General is a member of the current administration. A Cabinet-level member, who will advise the president, but should not go against the will of the voters by defying the president when the president chooses to follow his or her own counsel.

Where did Democrats get the idea that the Attorney General is required to be "independent?"

Even the current Democrat Attorney General admits that the DOJ is not constitutionally required to be independent.


We make that commitment not because independence is necessarily constitutionally required, but because it is the only way to ensure that our law enforcement decisions are free from partisan influence.

Early in that goodbye speech, he said:

Our norms are a promise to treat like cases alike — that we will not have one rule for the powerful and another for the powerless, one rule for friends and another for foes.

His whole four year term was nothing but the exact opposite of that. What's more, he seems like such a milquetoast, that it is highly unlikely he made the decision to push these partisan prosecutions and investigations. The opposite of independent.

If Democrats truly believe that the AG should be independent, where was their outrage when President Obama called AG Eric Holder "my wingman?" Where was the outrage when President Bill Clinton met with Attorney General Loretta Lynch after using his powers to hold up her airplane on the tarmac?


The meeting took place days before then-FBI Director James Comey announced the bureau would not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton's wife, for her emails. However, Comey called her handling of classified information "extremely careless."

Is that the kind of undue influence that you fear a non-independent Attorney General would be subject to? If so, why do you not trumpet it as a prime example of what you are concerned about? Then at least your arguments would have some credibility and not be such pure partisan hackery.
They've never been independent, nor should they. They carry out the policies of the President. 'I want a focus on antitrust' "I want a focus on drug cartels and fentynal' ...

Biden's focus was on squelching dissent to his COVID policies at school board meetings, catholics, prolifers, political opponents, white supremecists ... And Garland carried out his policies.
 
False premise by the OP as always.

Anyone want to discuss decoupling the DOJ from the Executive Branch?

It was a good idea when Barr was covering for the blob...

Its a good idea now too.

Not even remotely true.

However, perhaps now you guys on the political right will finally admit that it is time to decouple the DOJ from the Executive Branch and make it an independent agency. Give the director a 10 year term like they do the head of the FBI so, if need be, the President and whomever else is involved in crimes can be investigated.
 

Two Questions: Why Must an Attorney General be Independent From their Boss, the President. Why does that ONLY Apply to Republicans?​

A. Because it's his/her job to police the administration and you can't do that if you're beholden to your "boss".

B. It doesn't.
 
The Attorney General is the Nation's attorney ... their job is to zealously advocate for our Nation's legal rights in a court-of-law ... they are beholden to the People, not the President ...

Only the selection is political, we voted Trump back into office because we want him to select our next Attorney General ...

Are we planning Federal felonies or something? ...
YOu know good and well they are.
 
The fakest of fake news.
Dude, I know Trump's election has fucked you up big time, but what planet have you been living on?

Just one of hundreds of examples.

 
A. Because it's his/her job to police the administration and you can't do that if you're beholden to your "boss".

B. It doesn't.
So you strongly objected to Obama claiming Eric Holder as his wingman, and to Bill Clinton's tarmac conference with Loretta Lynch?
 
So you strongly objected to Obama claiming Eric Holder as his wingman, and to Bill Clinton's tarmac conference with Loretta Lynch?
The holder thing was republican pearl clutching but the tarmac conference had at least the appearance of impropriety.
 
They've never been independent, nor should they. They carry out the policies of the President. 'I want a focus on antitrust' "I want a focus on drug cartels and fentynal' ...

Biden's focus was on squelching dissent to his COVID policies at school board meetings, catholics, prolifers, political opponents, white supremecists ... And Garland carried out his policies.

Let's not forget Congress (democrat/republican) gave up the power of oversight all in the name of stopping TRUMP, and now want to whine when they're no longer in control.
 
The holder thing was republican pearl clutching but the tarmac conference had at least the appearance of impropriety.
Glad to hear you willing to admit about the tarmac.

You thing the "wingman" comment indicated a totally independent DOJ?

In a way, you may have a point. I doubt Obama ever had to pressure Holder to do anything. He knew Holder would carry out his wishes without question and picked him for the job.

My guess is that it will be the same for Trump and Bondi.

So, yes. It will be an indepdendent DOJ, in the same exact sense that Holder's DOJ was independent.
 
JFK's AG was his brother RFK. This is the real world of politics, not some dream world where everything is fair and the way utopians think it should be.
 

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