Because it was addressed in a separate report? Why do there have to be any "thoughts" on why the Commission Report didn't contain an account of the collapses when there were separate reports/studies done on these?
Two New Yorkers who moved to my area saw explosions bring down World Trade Centers
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Because it was addressed in a separate report? Why do there have to be any "thoughts" on why the Commission Report didn't contain an account of the collapses when there were separate reports/studies done on these?
Moved it away? Can you then explain your claim that it was all "moved away" when i have a picture that shows part of the core still standing AFTER the floors around the core have collapsed away?
You have been shown that 10 seconds is incorrect. Why do you keep using that number?
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because it shows what a bunch of LIARS they are
georgephillip
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How conclusive is video evidence that doesn't reveal ground level?
In your first video I see partial collapse of the penthouse begin between 6-8 seconds. I see the entire 47 story building begin its vertical collapse at about 13 seconds and it disappears from view between 18-19 seconds.
If you had tossed Phil Zelikow from the roof of the mechanical penthouse on WTC7 at sunrise on 9/11/2001 he would have required about 6.34 seconds to reach ground level.
The entire 47-story tower was supported by 24 core columns and 57 perimeter columns. Believing random fires caused the entire building to collapse straight downward means you believe the fires caused all 81 steel columns to fail at exactly the same instant.
Do you believe that?
Do you think it's likely Phil does?
How about Larry Silverstein?
WOW, more of the delusional bullshit from a troofer
it wouldnt require ALL columns to fail at the same time, just enough to begin the collapse gravity would have over come the remaining columns by putting more stress on them than they were capable of holding
slackjawed
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I don't believe that one can accurately time this event from a youtube video. There were likely a lot of things that happened inside out of the view of the the video prior to what could be seen outside.
More assumptions based on the old "I want to believe the conspiracy theory" syndrome.
Your profile says your from LA, just like agent chri$$y.
Is there something being put in the water there to cause brain damage?
It sure seems like it........
well, christophera is from Santa Barbara
slackjawed
Self deported
close enough.
Look at what you write below.
The collapse initiates with the penthouse at 6 seconds. Then you say the ENTIRE 47 story building started at 13 seconds. Do you see the pieces of the penthouse falling inside the building AFTER the penthouse started it's collapse? It didn't just fall into the building at 6 seconds and stop there. In this next video, in the very beginning. do you see the broken windows up the face of the building?
YouTube - wtc7 collapse
Do you know what caused those broken windows? Here's a better video that shows the windows shatter as the penthouse structure in side collapses.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkOGkdNq13k]YouTube - WTC7 NIST Clip with east penthouse[/ame]
So during the penthouse collapse initiation and the time the rest of the building begins to fall, the penthouse structure is damaging the rest of the structure as it falls inside the building. So in the first video the penthouse starts to collapse at :06 and continues until :13 seconds when the roof line starts to drop. That's 7 seconds in itself. Then from 13 to 18 is another 5 seconds and we don't even see the ground level!!! That would add even more time. So you now have 12 seconds. DOUBLE of what you guys claim as 6 seconds.
Sorry but Phil would be considered ONE ENTITY falling. He wouldn't have fallen in sections would he? What you fail to grasp is that the penthouse was part of the ENTIRE structure that fell separately which is why you claiming that the ENTIRE building fell in 6 seconds is incorrect. Let's use your analogy above with Phil. What if Phil's leg fell off and fell to the ground. Then his other leg. Then his right arm. Then his left arm. Then the rest of him. What part of that sequence would you use to show someone how long it took for Phil to reach the ground from the top of that 47 story building?
I bolded the important part of your quote. After seeing the numerous videos that show the penthouse collapsing first, how can you continue to say that all 81 steel columns failed at the exact same time? Let me ask you this. Watch this next video.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-WvQbFMIWU]YouTube - Tencza apartments controlled demolition[/ame]
Did they cut the columns all at the same time?
georgephillip
Diamond Member
Regarding your NIST clip with east penthouse:
Look at what you write below.
The collapse initiates with the penthouse at 6 seconds. Then you say the ENTIRE 47 story building started at 13 seconds. Do you see the pieces of the penthouse falling inside the building AFTER the penthouse started it's collapse? It didn't just fall into the building at 6 seconds and stop there. In this next video, in the very beginning. do you see the broken windows up the face of the building?
YouTube - wtc7 collapse
Do you know what caused those broken windows? Here's a better video that shows the windows shatter as the penthouse structure in side collapses.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkOGkdNq13k]YouTube - WTC7 NIST Clip with east penthouse[/ame]
So during the penthouse collapse initiation and the time the rest of the building begins to fall, the penthouse structure is damaging the rest of the structure as it falls inside the building. So in the first video the penthouse starts to collapse at :06 and continues until :13 seconds when the roof line starts to drop. That's 7 seconds in itself. Then from 13 to 18 is another 5 seconds and we don't even see the ground level!!! That would add even more time. So you now have 12 seconds. DOUBLE of what you guys claim as 6 seconds.
Sorry but Phil would be considered ONE ENTITY falling. He wouldn't have fallen in sections would he? What you fail to grasp is that the penthouse was part of the ENTIRE structure that fell separately which is why you claiming that the ENTIRE building fell in 6 seconds is incorrect. Let's use your analogy above with Phil. What if Phil's leg fell off and fell to the ground. Then his other leg. Then his right arm. Then his left arm. Then the rest of him. What part of that sequence would you use to show someone how long it took for Phil to reach the ground from the top of that 47 story building?
I bolded the important part of your quote. After seeing the numerous videos that show the penthouse collapsing first, how can you continue to say that all 81 steel columns failed at the exact same time? Let me ask you this. Watch this next video.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-WvQbFMIWU]YouTube - Tencza apartments controlled demolition[/ame]
Did they cut the columns all at the same time?
I see the penthouse collapse starting at about 2 seconds.
At 10 seconds the roofline begins its symmetrical, steady collapse straight downward.
The roofline disappears from view around second 14.
The fact that some tools inside a mechanical penthouse were bouncing around and breaking windows inside the falling 47 story tower is a red herring at best and deliberate deception at worst.
Dr. Steven Jones and his students have measured the fall speed of the SW corner of WTC7 at 6.5+-0.2 seconds. (Why Indeed P.4.)
These CBS video frames at one second intervals seem to back up the physicist and his students.
georgephillip
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With a PhD in Physics.
so, no people with PhD's ever go totally batshit insane?
martybegan
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Regarding your NIST clip with east penthouse:
Look at what you write below.
The collapse initiates with the penthouse at 6 seconds. Then you say the ENTIRE 47 story building started at 13 seconds. Do you see the pieces of the penthouse falling inside the building AFTER the penthouse started it's collapse? It didn't just fall into the building at 6 seconds and stop there. In this next video, in the very beginning. do you see the broken windows up the face of the building?
YouTube - wtc7 collapse
Do you know what caused those broken windows? Here's a better video that shows the windows shatter as the penthouse structure in side collapses.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkOGkdNq13k]YouTube - WTC7 NIST Clip with east penthouse[/ame]
So during the penthouse collapse initiation and the time the rest of the building begins to fall, the penthouse structure is damaging the rest of the structure as it falls inside the building. So in the first video the penthouse starts to collapse at :06 and continues until :13 seconds when the roof line starts to drop. That's 7 seconds in itself. Then from 13 to 18 is another 5 seconds and we don't even see the ground level!!! That would add even more time. So you now have 12 seconds. DOUBLE of what you guys claim as 6 seconds.
Sorry but Phil would be considered ONE ENTITY falling. He wouldn't have fallen in sections would he? What you fail to grasp is that the penthouse was part of the ENTIRE structure that fell separately which is why you claiming that the ENTIRE building fell in 6 seconds is incorrect. Let's use your analogy above with Phil. What if Phil's leg fell off and fell to the ground. Then his other leg. Then his right arm. Then his left arm. Then the rest of him. What part of that sequence would you use to show someone how long it took for Phil to reach the ground from the top of that 47 story building?
I bolded the important part of your quote. After seeing the numerous videos that show the penthouse collapsing first, how can you continue to say that all 81 steel columns failed at the exact same time? Let me ask you this. Watch this next video.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-WvQbFMIWU]YouTube - Tencza apartments controlled demolition[/ame]
Did they cut the columns all at the same time?
I see the penthouse collapse starting at about 2 seconds.
At 10 seconds the roofline begins its symmetrical, steady collapse straight downward.
The roofline disappears from view around second 14.
The fact that some tools inside a mechanical penthouse were bouncing around and breaking windows inside the falling 47 story tower is a red herring at best and deliberate deception at worst.
Dr. Steven Jones and his students have measured the fall speed of the SW corner of WTC7 at 6.5+-0.2 seconds. (Why Indeed P.4.)
These CBS video frames at one second intervals seem to back up the physicist and his students.
Do you actually know what is kept inside a mechanical penthouse?
dont you think he has made it quite clear he has no clue?Regarding your NIST clip with east penthouse:Look at what you write below.
The collapse initiates with the penthouse at 6 seconds. Then you say the ENTIRE 47 story building started at 13 seconds. Do you see the pieces of the penthouse falling inside the building AFTER the penthouse started it's collapse? It didn't just fall into the building at 6 seconds and stop there. In this next video, in the very beginning. do you see the broken windows up the face of the building?
YouTube - wtc7 collapse
Do you know what caused those broken windows? Here's a better video that shows the windows shatter as the penthouse structure in side collapses.
YouTube - WTC7 NIST Clip with east penthouse
So during the penthouse collapse initiation and the time the rest of the building begins to fall, the penthouse structure is damaging the rest of the structure as it falls inside the building. So in the first video the penthouse starts to collapse at :06 and continues until :13 seconds when the roof line starts to drop. That's 7 seconds in itself. Then from 13 to 18 is another 5 seconds and we don't even see the ground level!!! That would add even more time. So you now have 12 seconds. DOUBLE of what you guys claim as 6 seconds.
Sorry but Phil would be considered ONE ENTITY falling. He wouldn't have fallen in sections would he? What you fail to grasp is that the penthouse was part of the ENTIRE structure that fell separately which is why you claiming that the ENTIRE building fell in 6 seconds is incorrect. Let's use your analogy above with Phil. What if Phil's leg fell off and fell to the ground. Then his other leg. Then his right arm. Then his left arm. Then the rest of him. What part of that sequence would you use to show someone how long it took for Phil to reach the ground from the top of that 47 story building?
I bolded the important part of your quote. After seeing the numerous videos that show the penthouse collapsing first, how can you continue to say that all 81 steel columns failed at the exact same time? Let me ask you this. Watch this next video.
YouTube - Tencza apartments controlled demolition
Did they cut the columns all at the same time?
I see the penthouse collapse starting at about 2 seconds.
At 10 seconds the roofline begins its symmetrical, steady collapse straight downward.
The roofline disappears from view around second 14.
The fact that some tools inside a mechanical penthouse were bouncing around and breaking windows inside the falling 47 story tower is a red herring at best and deliberate deception at worst.
Dr. Steven Jones and his students have measured the fall speed of the SW corner of WTC7 at 6.5+-0.2 seconds. (Why Indeed P.4.)
These CBS video frames at one second intervals seem to back up the physicist and his students.
Do you actually know what is kept inside a mechanical penthouse?
georgephillip
Diamond Member
The first of Dr. Jones Thirteen Reasons to Challenge Government-sponsored Reports into 9/11 mentions multiple reports of molten metal in the basements of all three buildings.
"For six months after Sept. 11, the ground temperature varied between 600 degrees Fahrenheit and 1,500 degrees, sometimes higher.
"In the first few weeks, sometimes when a worker would pull a steel beam from the wreckage, the end of the beam would be dripping molten steel..."
"Sarah Atlas was part of New Jersey's Task Force One Urban Search and Rescue and was one of the first on the scene at Ground Zero with her canine partner Anna.
"'Nobody's going to be alive,'" was Sarah's first thought.
"Fires burned and molten steel flowed in the pile of ruins still settling beneath her feet."
See if you can refute Jones's content instead of making a punk of yourself with words like "batshit" and "insane."
its up to you to prove they are true, dipshit
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