Two Capital Riots. Two Very Different Results.

[berg80]

They were two shocking attacks on the Western Hemisphere’s two largest democracies, both broadcast around the world and both prompted by presidents who had questioned their legitimate election losses. Each posed an extraordinary test of the country’s democracy, and each raised the question of how a deeply polarized society would move forward in the wake of such an assault.

The parallel attacks have had nearly opposite aftermaths. In the United States, support is soaring for Donald J. Trump’s campaign to retake the White House, as he frames his 2020 election loss as the real insurrection and Jan. 6 as “a beautiful day.”

At the same time, his counterpart in Brazil, the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, has quickly faded into political irrelevance. Six months after he left office last year, electoral officials barred him from running again until 2030, and many right-wing leaders have shunned him.

So why have there been such contrasting reactions to such similar threats? Researchers and analysts point to a multitude of reasons, including the countries’ differing political systems, media landscapes, national histories and judicial responses, but one difference especially stands out.

Leaders on Brazil’s right “publicly, clearly, unambiguously accepted the results of the election and did exactly what democratic politicians are supposed to do,” said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard professor of government and co-author of the book “How Democracies Die,” who studies both the American and Brazilian democracies. “That is strikingly different from how Republicans responded.”
Two Capitol Riots. Two Very Different Results.

Ten years ago I never would have predicted the right wing in Brazil, or any country, would display more respect for the constitutional order than the right wing in the US. Then MAGAism happened.

The takeaway is this. There was a small window of opportunity to rid ourselves of the Orange Menace shortly after his failed attempt to deny the will of the voters and steal the presidency. A window that closed when Repub leadership in Congress, and in conservative media, recognized the failed coup had not dented The Following's maniacal devotion to their Dear Leader.

To this day no one has really been able to explain the bond they feel to such a piece of shit.

 

[Lesh]

When those Bolsonaro supporters did their MAGA thing. I really thought Brazil would fall into chaos and maybe even civil war.

I mean that IS South America right?

And yet democracy appears stronger there than here

Amazing

 

[forkup]

They were two shocking attacks on the Western Hemisphere’s two largest democracies, both broadcast around the world and both prompted by presidents who had questioned their legitimate election losses. Each posed an extraordinary test of the country’s democracy, and each raised the question of how a deeply polarized society would move forward in the wake of such an assault.

The parallel attacks have had nearly opposite aftermaths. In the United States, support is soaring for Donald J. Trump’s campaign to retake the White House, as he frames his 2020 election loss as the real insurrection and Jan. 6 as “a beautiful day.”

At the same time, his counterpart in Brazil, the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, has quickly faded into political irrelevance. Six months after he left office last year, electoral officials barred him from running again until 2030, and many right-wing leaders have shunned him.

So why have there been such contrasting reactions to such similar threats? Researchers and analysts point to a multitude of reasons, including the countries’ differing political systems, media landscapes, national histories and judicial responses, but one difference especially stands out.

Leaders on Brazil’s right “publicly, clearly, unambiguously accepted the results of the election and did exactly what democratic politicians are supposed to do,” said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard professor of government and co-author of the book “How Democracies Die,” who studies both the American and Brazilian democracies. “That is strikingly different from how Republicans responded.”
Two Capitol Riots. Two Very Different Results.

Ten years ago I never would have predicted the right wing in Brazil, or any country, would display more respect for the constitutional order than the right wing in the US. Then MAGAism happened.

The takeaway is this. There was a small window of opportunity to rid ourselves of the Orange Menace shortly after his failed attempt to deny the will of the voters and steal the presidency. A window that closed when Repub leadership in Congress, and in conservative media, recognized the failed coup had not dented The Following's maniacal devotion to their Dear Leader.

To this day no one has really been able to explain the bond they feel to such a piece of shit.

Berg, I don't think the bond they feel is all that hard to understand.


People are tribal. So they tend to justify more from their tribe to begin with. Trump played on that.

" If the choice is between me and Hillary I can be forgiven for being a bit of a dick, forgiven for grabbing women by the pussy etc.etc. Especially when all this is making the other people's tribe head's explode"

Eventually it becomes an ingrained habit.


People are capable of justifying just about anything when properly motivated. He bonded them by making them find excuses for his behaviors. Until he " Can shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose support "

 

[berg80]

When those Bolsonaro supporters did their MAGA thing. I really thought Brazil would fall into chaos and maybe even civil war.

I mean that IS South America right?

And yet democracy appears stronger there than here

Amazing

To be honest, I had not stayed abreast of Bolsonaro's fate in Brazil. I had no idea he had been so quickly rejected. But I understand why.

What I don't understand is Trump's continued popularity. Because it runs counter to everything I thought I understood about Americans.

 

[berg80]

People are tribal. So they tend to justify more from their tribe to begin with. Trump played on that.

Sure, I get that. To some extent it's true of Dems too. But not like this. Trump completely shattered the mold when having an adulterous affair with a porn star went public (who's silence he then paid for right before the election), and bragging about how he could get away with grabbing women's pussies, was shrugged off. Nothing remotely close to that had ever happened before and it's only become more extreme since.

 

[MarcATL]

Brazilians not only have pride, they have sense and shame.

Not to mention they're striving to kill white supremacy there.

 

[berg80]

Brazilians not only have pride, they have sense and shame.

Apparently, they do. It speaks well of them and poorly of the American Right.

Ciro Nogueira, a right-wing politician who was Mr. Bolsonaro’s outgoing chief of staff and is now Brazil’s Senate minority leader, said the reaction in the United States surprised him.

“There is a consensus in our country, among the political class, to condemn these acts,” he said. “I think it’s really unfortunate that a portion of American politicians applaud this type of protest.”

 

[SassyIrishLass]

They were two shocking attacks on the Western Hemisphere’s two largest democracies, both broadcast around the world and both prompted by presidents who had questioned their legitimate election losses. Each posed an extraordinary test of the country’s democracy, and each raised the question of how a deeply polarized society would move forward in the wake of such an assault.

The parallel attacks have had nearly opposite aftermaths. In the United States, support is soaring for Donald J. Trump’s campaign to retake the White House, as he frames his 2020 election loss as the real insurrection and Jan. 6 as “a beautiful day.”

At the same time, his counterpart in Brazil, the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, has quickly faded into political irrelevance. Six months after he left office last year, electoral officials barred him from running again until 2030, and many right-wing leaders have shunned him.

So why have there been such contrasting reactions to such similar threats? Researchers and analysts point to a multitude of reasons, including the countries’ differing political systems, media landscapes, national histories and judicial responses, but one difference especially stands out.

Leaders on Brazil’s right “publicly, clearly, unambiguously accepted the results of the election and did exactly what democratic politicians are supposed to do,” said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard professor of government and co-author of the book “How Democracies Die,” who studies both the American and Brazilian democracies. “That is strikingly different from how Republicans responded.”
Two Capitol Riots. Two Very Different Results.

Ten years ago I never would have predicted the right wing in Brazil, or any country, would display more respect for the constitutional order than the right wing in the US. Then MAGAism happened.

The takeaway is this. There was a small window of opportunity to rid ourselves of the Orange Menace shortly after his failed attempt to deny the will of the voters and steal the presidency. A window that closed when Repub leadership in Congress, and in conservative media, recognized the failed coup had not dented The Following's maniacal devotion to their Dear Leader.

To this day no one has really been able to explain the bond they feel to such a piece of shit.

Bbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuttttttt....it was an insurrection!!!!!!

 

[Lesh]

Berg, I don't think the bond they feel is all that hard to understand.


People are tribal. So they tend to justify more from their tribe to begin with. Trump played on that.

" If the choice is between me and Hillary I can be forgiven for being a bit of a dick, forgiven for grabbing women by the pussy etc.etc. Especially when all this is making the other people's tribe head's explode"

Eventually it becomes an ingrained habit.


People are capable of justifying just about anything when properly motivated. He bonded them by making them find excuses for his behaviors. Until he " Can shoot someone on fifth avenue and not lose support "

But why in the hell is that “tribal instinct “ stronger here than in BRAZIL??

We are supposed to be a bastion of democracy

Amazing

 

[bdtex]

Bbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuttttttt....it was an insurrection!!!!!!

Indeed it was.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Indeed it was.

No it wasn't and if you think that's going to propel Biden to be relected you'll be disappointed

 

[bdtex]

No it wasn't and if you think that's going to propel Biden to be relected you'll be disappointed

Bookmark this thread and let's talk in November.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Bookmark this thread and let's talk in November.

You'll lose, sock

 

[berg80]

Bbbbbbbbbbuuuuuuttttttt....it was an insurrection!!!!!!

Thanks for your always valuable contribution.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Thanks for your always valuable contribution.

You called it a riot... dumbass

Cripes you left loons are dumb

 

[SeaMajor7]

They were two shocking attacks on the Western Hemisphere’s two largest democracies, both broadcast around the world and both prompted by presidents who had questioned their legitimate election losses. Each posed an extraordinary test of the country’s democracy, and each raised the question of how a deeply polarized society would move forward in the wake of such an assault.

The parallel attacks have had nearly opposite aftermaths. In the United States, support is soaring for Donald J. Trump’s campaign to retake the White House, as he frames his 2020 election loss as the real insurrection and Jan. 6 as “a beautiful day.”

At the same time, his counterpart in Brazil, the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, has quickly faded into political irrelevance. Six months after he left office last year, electoral officials barred him from running again until 2030, and many right-wing leaders have shunned him.

So why have there been such contrasting reactions to such similar threats? Researchers and analysts point to a multitude of reasons, including the countries’ differing political systems, media landscapes, national histories and judicial responses, but one difference especially stands out.

Leaders on Brazil’s right “publicly, clearly, unambiguously accepted the results of the election and did exactly what democratic politicians are supposed to do,” said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard professor of government and co-author of the book “How Democracies Die,” who studies both the American and Brazilian democracies. “That is strikingly different from how Republicans responded.”
Two Capitol Riots. Two Very Different Results.

Ten years ago I never would have predicted the right wing in Brazil, or any country, would display more respect for the constitutional order than the right wing in the US. Then MAGAism happened.

The takeaway is this. There was a small window of opportunity to rid ourselves of the Orange Menace shortly after his failed attempt to deny the will of the voters and steal the presidency. A window that closed when Repub leadership in Congress, and in conservative media, recognized the failed coup had not dented The Following's maniacal devotion to their Dear Leader.

To this day no one has really been able to explain the bond they feel to such a piece of shit.

Oh, I thought you were referring to Trump's inauguration when you communist ASSHOLES burned down half of DC.
My bad.

 

[forkup]

Sure, I get that. To some extent it's true of Dems too. But not like this. Trump completely shattered the mold when having an adulterous affair with a porn star went public (who's silence he then paid for right before the election), and bragging about how he could get away with grabbing women's pussies, was shrugged off. Nothing remotely close to that had ever happened before and it's only become more extreme since.

Of course, it's true for Dems too. Just yesterday when talking about Trump's immunity case I saw 2 people suggesting that if it's true that Presidents can kill their political rival maybe Biden should kill Trump. I'm pretty sure it was said in jest, but the fact that they were willing to go there shows a certain willingness to shift norms.

Here's the difference. Dems aren't forced to defend those kinds of outlandish statements coming out of the Biden administration. Republicans are constantly forced to defend outlandish statements and actions from Trump. Or risk admitting fault. It's a sunken cost fallacy for them.

 

[MinTrut]

They were two shocking attacks on the Western Hemisphere’s two largest democracies, both broadcast around the world and both prompted by presidents who had questioned their legitimate election losses. Each posed an extraordinary test of the country’s democracy, and each raised the question of how a deeply polarized society would move forward in the wake of such an assault.

The parallel attacks have had nearly opposite aftermaths. In the United States, support is soaring for Donald J. Trump’s campaign to retake the White House, as he frames his 2020 election loss as the real insurrection and Jan. 6 as “a beautiful day.”

At the same time, his counterpart in Brazil, the far-right former president Jair Bolsonaro, has quickly faded into political irrelevance. Six months after he left office last year, electoral officials barred him from running again until 2030, and many right-wing leaders have shunned him.

So why have there been such contrasting reactions to such similar threats? Researchers and analysts point to a multitude of reasons, including the countries’ differing political systems, media landscapes, national histories and judicial responses, but one difference especially stands out.

Leaders on Brazil’s right “publicly, clearly, unambiguously accepted the results of the election and did exactly what democratic politicians are supposed to do,” said Steven Levitsky, a Harvard professor of government and co-author of the book “How Democracies Die,” who studies both the American and Brazilian democracies. “That is strikingly different from how Republicans responded.”
Two Capitol Riots. Two Very Different Results.

Ten years ago I never would have predicted the right wing in Brazil, or any country, would display more respect for the constitutional order than the right wing in the US. Then MAGAism happened.

The takeaway is this. There was a small window of opportunity to rid ourselves of the Orange Menace shortly after his failed attempt to deny the will of the voters and steal the presidency. A window that closed when Repub leadership in Congress, and in conservative media, recognized the failed coup had not dented The Following's maniacal devotion to their Dear Leader.

To this day no one has really been able to explain the bond they feel to such a piece of shit.

Yup - Biden is everything people feared Trump would be.

A genocidal monster facilitating racially motivated murder and ethnic cleansing while rapidly accelerating toward a nuclear-age world war.

Nothing Trump did was as evil as what Biden has been doing.

Biden is the real Trump.

But yeah, the J6 protest was the inevitable last - and relatively mild - gasp of the Democrat-caused Covid Lockdown demonstrations/riots, complete with an innocent, unarmed woman being murdered.

 

[forkup]

But why in the hell is that “tribal instinct “ stronger here than in BRAZIL??

We are supposed to be a bastion of democracy

Amazing

It has nothing to do with being a Democracy or not. It has to do with psychology.

The American right operates in a closed media environment. And they are conditioned to reject any information that doesn't confirm their biases. They have an especially malignant narcissist as it's symbol, who is very adept in speaking to those biases. You can say what you want about Trump, but he comes across as horrible but sincere.

 

[Oddball]

OP is jelly of how easy it was for Lula and his commie goon squads to bully the populace into compliance and outlaw the opposition.