Two American mercenary fighters killed.

[irosie91]

everyone in the country-----(the USA) should be required ----as an act of patriotism----
to attend a community pig barbecue and get drunk on either beer or good old fashioned
KENTUCKY BURBON-----failure to become drunk should be a felony

That's anti-semitic.

not anti semitic at all------read it again----I did not say people must EAT the pig,,,
I said that the people must get drunk. Eating is optional-----and bring along
pot lucks and side dishes will be encouraged. It is very hard to do a WHOLE
community party without some bring along pot lucks Potato salad
is a fave side dish Vegetarians would be welcomed-----they do stuff
EVERYONE can eat-------I prefer Indian style----south indian---without too much of
that NOGHUL inspired crap

 

[aris2chat]

8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if

(B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

except in countries where duel citizenship is permitted.

 

[montelatici]

8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if

(B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

except in countries where duel citizenship is permitted.

That's not what the USC says. Do you see it saying "except in countries where dual citizenship is permittted". If they made an oath or declaration of allegiance when they joined the IDF, or they reached the rank of an NCO or Commissioned Officer, they lost their U.S. nationality.

 

[MHunterB]

It also says " with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality" - which Monte apparently doesn't understand.

We've been through that before: the US does not tend to 'remove' citizenship from anyone. Individuals must announce their desire to relinquish citizenship.

 

[mudwhistle]

All I know is never, ever, negotiate with Muslims.

Negotiations to them is just another means to your losing whatever you have that they want. They have no intention of compromising. And any agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on.

 

[Daniyel]

8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if

(B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or

except in countries where duel citizenship is permitted.

That's not what the USC says. Do you see it saying "except in countries where dual citizenship is permittted". If they made an oath or declaration of allegiance when they joined the IDF, or they reached the rank of an NCO or Commissioned Officer, they lost their U.S. nationality.

Loss of citizenship (INA § 349, 8 USC § 1481)

Section 349 of the INA [8 USC § 1481] specifies several conditions under which US citizenship may be lost. These include:
becoming a naturalized citizen of another country, or declaring allegiance to another country, after reaching age 18;
serving as an officer in a foreign country's military service, or serving in the armed forces of a country which is engaged in hostilities against the US;
working for a foreign government (e.g., in political office or as a civil servant);
formally renouncing one's US citizenship before duly authorized US officials; or
committing treason against, or attempting or conspiring to overthrow the government of, the US.

I born in the US and became a citizen of Israel before age 18, US-Israel are not hostile, and I didn't do any of the following below, why should I lose my nationality?
Maybe there are later notes and exceptions, but this is the basic of the law.

 

[montelatici]

I don't think many Americans approve of Americans adopting second nationalities.

 

[Daniyel]

I don't think many Americans approve of Americans adopting second nationalities.

It has cons but generally better for the US taxpayers, the US doesn't encourage it but it pays out on low rates, regardless of demographics.

 

[montelatici]

I don't think many Americans approve of Americans adopting second nationalities.

It has cons but generally better for the US taxpayers, the US doesn't encourage it but it pays out on low rates, regardless of demographics.

Don't be silly. The U.S. saves nothing.

 

[Daniyel]

I don't think many Americans approve of Americans adopting second nationalities.

It has cons but generally better for the US taxpayers, the US doesn't encourage it but it pays out on low rates, regardless of demographics.

Don't be silly. The U.S. saves nothing.

Never said it does, i said it pays out on low rates while the cons affected by demographics..and it benefits the taxpayer to lose like 0.05 cents a year for those benefits, and just to make it clear I'm not talking about illegal aliens.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I don't think many Americans approve of Americans adopting second nationalities.

Most of the time it's not a question of adopting a second nationality. Many American Jews who have immigrated to Israel for life, and thereby become Israeli citizens, simply retain their American nationalities as well.

 

[Daniyel]

Sean Carmeli R.I.P

Sean Was a lonely soldier, about 30,000 people came to his funeral today.
"Look Sean, our hero, all Israel is here with you"

 

[pbel]

What nation does Hamas fight for, what nationality are they?

Humanity in defending their homes against invaders...

 

[MHunterB]

What nation does Hamas fight for, what nationality are they?

Humanity in defending their homes against invaders...

Right, that certainly explains why one of their head whoremongers in chief, Khaled Mashaal, lives in Qatar.......

 

[toastman]

What nation does Hamas fight for, what nationality are they?

Humanity in defending their homes against invaders...

Wow you are one two faced liar Pbel. It was only a month ago you said something along the lines of '**** Hamas, I'm sick of them. They are an obstacle to peace'
Now you say they are fighting for humanity

Hamas are Islamic scum and are responsible for the deaths of many innocent Palestinians.
What kind of scum organization says no to a cease fire that would have Israel, the strongest military power in the ME, stop attacking them, therefore saving the lives of many Palestinian?

 

[pbel]

What nation does Hamas fight for, what nationality are they?

Humanity in defending their homes against invaders...

Wow you are one two faced liar Pbel. It was only a month ago you said something along the lines of '**** Hamas, I'm sick of them. They are an obstacle to peace'
Now you say they are fighting for humanity

Hamas are Islamic scum and are responsible for the deaths of many innocent Palestinians.
What kind of scum organization says no to a cease fire that would have Israel, the strongest military power in the ME, stop attacking them, therefore saving the lives of many Palestinian?

I've always felt that Hamas should be disarmed by a ground assault insuring a fight with militants and maybe peace and no more excuses by Israel, but the cowardly air bombardment is what has killed the most civilians and children...Indiscriminate bombing is as bad if not worse than Hamas rockets...

 

[MHunterB]

How do you presume to 'know' the bombing was 'indiscriminate'?

If it had been so - the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands.

Calling it 'cowardly' is just BS: the first duty of any commander is to set it up so 'the other poor dumb bastard dies for his country', as Patton put it.

 

[pbel]

How do you presume to 'know' the bombing was 'indiscriminate'?

If it had been so - the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands.

Calling it 'cowardly' is just BS: the first duty of any commander is to set it up so 'the other poor dumb bastard dies for his country', as Patton put it.

Patton was talking about combatants not civilians and children that the cowardly IDF kills far more than militants...

 

[teddyearp]

Wow, just wow. Another derailed thread. This thread had nothing to do about dual citizenship nor indiscriminate bombings or anything else.

However, Indofred, I do take offense in what you called these two men, let me quote your OP:

Two American insurgent fighters have been killed whilst attacking Palestinian defenders.
These paid foreign fighters were killed whilst trying to invade Palestinian lands.

Have you ever heard of Aliyah? It is where a Jewish person can immigrate to Israel and become a citizen of that country. As to the question of the "dual citizenship" that is WAY outside the scope of this site and anyone who brings it up is just trying to . . . . well for lack of better words Troll.

Anyways, I witnessed a person making Aliyah when I flew from Chicago to Israel via Warsaw back in 2011. I cannot remember his name, but in Warsaw there were lots of Jews and he was almost made a citizen right then by their acceptance. His intent was to join the IDF. I thought it was a pretty awesome thing to see. One moment I am in the smoking parlor talking to a guy from Chicago, and the next thing I know, he is becoming a citizen of Israel.

American insurgents? No. Paid foreign fighters? No, well maybe a meager Army pay. Paid Mercenaries? No. These two men did the same thing I am sure, Aliyah.. And fought and died for the country they love. And it must have been a hard thing as well, since (forgive me) Israel does not have some of the same rights afforded to citizens of their land as we in the United States of America have in ours.

I will mourn their deaths, and all deaths. Will you?

 

[Hollie]

How do you presume to 'know' the bombing was 'indiscriminate'?

If it had been so - the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands.

Calling it 'cowardly' is just BS: the first duty of any commander is to set it up so 'the other poor dumb bastard dies for his country', as Patton put it.

Patton was talking about combatants not civilians and children that the cowardly IDF kills far more than militants...

The cowardly militants don't wear uniforms to distinguish themselves from civilians and they intentionally put civilians in harms way.

What a shame you can't reach conclusions from such obvious realities.