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1. On this date, November 28th, ......
Opening of Tehrān Conference
The Tehrān Conference, attended by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, at which Stalin pressed for an invasion of France, opened this day in 1943.

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Just by coincidence, the winner of the conference, and of the war, are in the proper order in this pic.


2. "The Tehran Conference (codenamed Eureka[1]) was a strategy meeting held between Joseph Stalin,Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill from 28 November to 1 December 1943. It was held in the Soviet Embassy in Tehran, Iran and was the first of the World War II conferences held between all of the"Big Three" Allied leaders.... the main outcome of the Tehran Conference was the commitment to the opening of a second front against Nazi Germany by the Western Allies." Tehran Conference - Wikipedia

3. Churchill repeatedly proposed an attack via already established Allied bases in Italy, and expanding operations from the Adriatic and Aegean Seas into south central Europe, Stalin wanted Eastern and Central Europe left open to millions of Red Army troops. "The D-Day invasion was forced on a reluctant Churchill by the Americans..... pressed instead for a strategy focused on the Mediterranean, pushing through the "soft underbelly" of southern Europe, over the Alps and through the Balkans. The Americans prevailed because they provided an increasingly larger share of the forces and funding.... Roosevelt dispatched Marshall and presidential envoy Harry Hopkins to London to sell the idea to the British." Churchill’s Southern Strategy - Air Force Magazine



4. In Tehran, Roosevelt sided with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself! It was at Tehran that Churchill realized that to help the countries of Eastern Europe, he had to get there before the Red Army.
Lord Moran "Churchill: Taken from the Diaries of Lord Moran," p. 155


5. How about Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....


Now....what could have made him change his mind, and agree with Stalin/Roosevelt?
" In December1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe."Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suddenly, the Roosevelt/Stalin choice, Normandy, became exemplary.
A great President and Democrat.

Changing sides?


"A great President and Democrat."

This????

1. Roosevelt offered up the lives of everyone in Eastern Europe to his lord and master, Joseph 'Koba' Stalin



2. He made certain that Stalin's plans continued after his death: the creation of the United Nations



3. He extended the Depression by years.



4. He disposed of the Constitution



5. He imposed Mussolini's Fascist policies and called it 'the New Deal



6. He turned over command of our military actions in WWII to Stalin, and cost multiple thousands of US soldiers' deaths.



7. He made certain that communism survived the war, and thrived afterwards.



8. Without his efforts, there would be no Red China, no Korean War, and no Vietnamese War



9. ...and he is the proximate explanation for the cultural Marxism prevalent in society today.



10. He was a racist and a bigot how wanted only those ‘with the right sort of blood.’ Sounds like a Nazis, huh?



And, he inspired lying Leftists like you.



Memo: you need not prove you're a fool on a daily basis. Readers have memories.
Awww, you almost made it without me having to call Godwin's Law on you. Better luck next time, homskoold. :lol:


Putting you in your place, last seat in the dumb row, is hardly a difficult task.
You must be comfortable there by now.
Is that the kind of idiocies that you had at homskool? You sound like you were bullied in homskool. Poor you. :lol:
 
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FDR was neither the smartest, nor the most noble.
For those reason, he easily bent to the wishes of Stalin and the Bolsheviks.


8. " How did this massive penetration and policy twisting occur? Deception, Evans mentioned at a recent lecture, succeeds best when people want to be deceived. Franklin Roosevelt’s willful blindness to Stalin’s malignant goals, aggravated by the President’s health problems, was clearly a major cause. FDR saw what he wanted to see: that Josef Stalin liked him and would cooperate in preserving a peaceful and just world. That mindset went hand-in-hand with a New Deal bureaucracy chock-a-block with Soviet agents, Communist party members and ardent Stalinist sympathizers, including two FDR confidants, Lauchlin Currie and Harry Hopkins, FDR’s most trusted friend who for several years lived at the White House." Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News



9. Kennan’s evaluation of Roosevelt:

" After commenting bitterly on the “inexcusable body of ignorance about the Russian Communist movement, about the history of its diplomacy, about what had happened in

the purges, and about what had been going on in Poland and the Baltic States,” Kennan turns more directly to FDR alone: I also have in mind FDRs evident conviction that Stalin, while perhaps a somewhat difficult customer, was only, after all, a person like any other person; that the reason we hadn’t been able to get along with him in the past was that we had never really had anyone with the proper personality and the proper qualities of sympathy and imagination to deal with him, that he had been snubbed all along by the arrogant conservatives of the Western capitals; and that if only he could be exposed to the persuasive charms of someone like FDR himself, ideological preconceptions would melt and Russia’s cooperation with the West could be easily arranged. For these assumptions

there were no grounds whatsoever; and they were of a puerility that was unworthy of a statesman of FDRs stature?”

mmisi.org




Bet government school revealed none of this, huh?
 

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1. On this date, November 28th, ......
Opening of Tehrān Conference
The Tehrān Conference, attended by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, at which Stalin pressed for an invasion of France, opened this day in 1943.

View attachment 422529
Just by coincidence, the winner of the conference, and of the war, are in the proper order in this pic.


2. "The Tehran Conference (codenamed Eureka[1]) was a strategy meeting held between Joseph Stalin,Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill from 28 November to 1 December 1943. It was held in the Soviet Embassy in Tehran, Iran and was the first of the World War II conferences held between all of the"Big Three" Allied leaders.... the main outcome of the Tehran Conference was the commitment to the opening of a second front against Nazi Germany by the Western Allies." Tehran Conference - Wikipedia

3. Churchill repeatedly proposed an attack via already established Allied bases in Italy, and expanding operations from the Adriatic and Aegean Seas into south central Europe, Stalin wanted Eastern and Central Europe left open to millions of Red Army troops. "The D-Day invasion was forced on a reluctant Churchill by the Americans..... pressed instead for a strategy focused on the Mediterranean, pushing through the "soft underbelly" of southern Europe, over the Alps and through the Balkans. The Americans prevailed because they provided an increasingly larger share of the forces and funding.... Roosevelt dispatched Marshall and presidential envoy Harry Hopkins to London to sell the idea to the British." Churchill’s Southern Strategy - Air Force Magazine



4. In Tehran, Roosevelt sided with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself! It was at Tehran that Churchill realized that to help the countries of Eastern Europe, he had to get there before the Red Army.
Lord Moran "Churchill: Taken from the Diaries of Lord Moran," p. 155


5. How about Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....


Now....what could have made him change his mind, and agree with Stalin/Roosevelt?
" In December1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe."Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suddenly, the Roosevelt/Stalin choice, Normandy, became exemplary.
If I had to fight a defensive war there is no better place than Italy. It is so mountainous that a small number of defenders could hold off a much larger force. There were no vast open fields for tanks to maneuver. Normandy was the right military decision.

I am certain that every military tactician rushes to avail himself of your insights.
As they should just as they should know it took years to liberate Italy once the Germans occupied it. The Allies would still be fighting in the Alps as Stalin overran France and the Low Countries. That would have made Stalin, and apparently you, very happy.
 
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1. On this date, November 28th, ......
Opening of Tehrān Conference
The Tehrān Conference, attended by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, at which Stalin pressed for an invasion of France, opened this day in 1943.

View attachment 422529
Just by coincidence, the winner of the conference, and of the war, are in the proper order in this pic.


2. "The Tehran Conference (codenamed Eureka[1]) was a strategy meeting held between Joseph Stalin,Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill from 28 November to 1 December 1943. It was held in the Soviet Embassy in Tehran, Iran and was the first of the World War II conferences held between all of the"Big Three" Allied leaders.... the main outcome of the Tehran Conference was the commitment to the opening of a second front against Nazi Germany by the Western Allies." Tehran Conference - Wikipedia

3. Churchill repeatedly proposed an attack via already established Allied bases in Italy, and expanding operations from the Adriatic and Aegean Seas into south central Europe, Stalin wanted Eastern and Central Europe left open to millions of Red Army troops. "The D-Day invasion was forced on a reluctant Churchill by the Americans..... pressed instead for a strategy focused on the Mediterranean, pushing through the "soft underbelly" of southern Europe, over the Alps and through the Balkans. The Americans prevailed because they provided an increasingly larger share of the forces and funding.... Roosevelt dispatched Marshall and presidential envoy Harry Hopkins to London to sell the idea to the British." Churchill’s Southern Strategy - Air Force Magazine



4. In Tehran, Roosevelt sided with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself! It was at Tehran that Churchill realized that to help the countries of Eastern Europe, he had to get there before the Red Army.
Lord Moran "Churchill: Taken from the Diaries of Lord Moran," p. 155


5. How about Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....


Now....what could have made him change his mind, and agree with Stalin/Roosevelt?
" In December1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe."Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suddenly, the Roosevelt/Stalin choice, Normandy, became exemplary.
If I had to fight a defensive war there is no better place than Italy. It is so mountainous that a small number of defenders could hold off a much larger force. There were no vast open fields for tanks to maneuver. Normandy was the right military decision.

I am certain that every military tactician rushes to avail himself of your insights.
As they should just as they should know it took years to liberate Italy once the Germans occupied it. The Allies would still be fighting in the Alps as Stalin overran France and the Low Countries. That would have made Stalin, and apparently you, very happy.

Oooo.......that last post of mine really seems to have stung you.

When one is as dumb and willingly indoctrinated, as you are, there is only one place for you:

Welcome to the karma cafe....there are no menus but you will get what you deserve.
 
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, the general was murdered in the hospital by NKVD agents using an odorless poison
Nowadays there's a coroner or a medical examiner in every district with the official authority to call it COVID and veto any further investigation into the death.

That is excellent!


I fear that not enough will see how clever that post is.
 

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1. On this date, November 28th, ......
Opening of Tehrān Conference
The Tehrān Conference, attended by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, at which Stalin pressed for an invasion of France, opened this day in 1943.

View attachment 422529
Just by coincidence, the winner of the conference, and of the war, are in the proper order in this pic.


2. "The Tehran Conference (codenamed Eureka[1]) was a strategy meeting held between Joseph Stalin,Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill from 28 November to 1 December 1943. It was held in the Soviet Embassy in Tehran, Iran and was the first of the World War II conferences held between all of the"Big Three" Allied leaders.... the main outcome of the Tehran Conference was the commitment to the opening of a second front against Nazi Germany by the Western Allies." Tehran Conference - Wikipedia

3. Churchill repeatedly proposed an attack via already established Allied bases in Italy, and expanding operations from the Adriatic and Aegean Seas into south central Europe, Stalin wanted Eastern and Central Europe left open to millions of Red Army troops. "The D-Day invasion was forced on a reluctant Churchill by the Americans..... pressed instead for a strategy focused on the Mediterranean, pushing through the "soft underbelly" of southern Europe, over the Alps and through the Balkans. The Americans prevailed because they provided an increasingly larger share of the forces and funding.... Roosevelt dispatched Marshall and presidential envoy Harry Hopkins to London to sell the idea to the British." Churchill’s Southern Strategy - Air Force Magazine



4. In Tehran, Roosevelt sided with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself! It was at Tehran that Churchill realized that to help the countries of Eastern Europe, he had to get there before the Red Army.
Lord Moran "Churchill: Taken from the Diaries of Lord Moran," p. 155


5. How about Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....


Now....what could have made him change his mind, and agree with Stalin/Roosevelt?
" In December1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe."Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suddenly, the Roosevelt/Stalin choice, Normandy, became exemplary.
If I had to fight a defensive war there is no better place than Italy. It is so mountainous that a small number of defenders could hold off a much larger force. There were no vast open fields for tanks to maneuver. Normandy was the right military decision.

I am certain that every military tactician rushes to avail himself of your insights.
As they should just as they should know it took years to liberate Italy once the Germans occupied it. The Allies would still be fighting in the Alps as Stalin overran France and the Low Countries. That would have made Stalin, and apparently you, very happy.

Oooo.......that last post of mine really seems to have stung you.

When one is as dumb and willingly indoctrinated, as you are, there is only one place for you:

Welcome to the karma cafe....there are no menus but you will get what you deserve.
Beyond cutting & pasting and an inventive ad homonin, you really don't bring much to the table, do you?
 

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Quite the conspiracy even in the Red State of Alaska.
It's a Red Rhinoceros.
RINO = Republican In Name Only.
City Hall is City Hall, and City Hall is always Democrat, even if there's an "R" by their name on the ballot.
Good thing they have you there to decide who is and who is not a true Republican.
 
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1. On this date, November 28th, ......
Opening of Tehrān Conference
The Tehrān Conference, attended by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin, at which Stalin pressed for an invasion of France, opened this day in 1943.

View attachment 422529
Just by coincidence, the winner of the conference, and of the war, are in the proper order in this pic.


2. "The Tehran Conference (codenamed Eureka[1]) was a strategy meeting held between Joseph Stalin,Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Winston Churchill from 28 November to 1 December 1943. It was held in the Soviet Embassy in Tehran, Iran and was the first of the World War II conferences held between all of the"Big Three" Allied leaders.... the main outcome of the Tehran Conference was the commitment to the opening of a second front against Nazi Germany by the Western Allies." Tehran Conference - Wikipedia

3. Churchill repeatedly proposed an attack via already established Allied bases in Italy, and expanding operations from the Adriatic and Aegean Seas into south central Europe, Stalin wanted Eastern and Central Europe left open to millions of Red Army troops. "The D-Day invasion was forced on a reluctant Churchill by the Americans..... pressed instead for a strategy focused on the Mediterranean, pushing through the "soft underbelly" of southern Europe, over the Alps and through the Balkans. The Americans prevailed because they provided an increasingly larger share of the forces and funding.... Roosevelt dispatched Marshall and presidential envoy Harry Hopkins to London to sell the idea to the British." Churchill’s Southern Strategy - Air Force Magazine



4. In Tehran, Roosevelt sided with Stalin. Churchill was beside himself! It was at Tehran that Churchill realized that to help the countries of Eastern Europe, he had to get there before the Red Army.
Lord Moran "Churchill: Taken from the Diaries of Lord Moran," p. 155


5. How about Eisenhower's assessment at the time?

"Italy was the correct place in which to deploy our main forces and the objective should be the Valle of the PO.In no other area could we so well threaten the whole German structure including France, the Balkans and the Reich itself. Here also our air would becloser to vital objectives in Germany."
FRUS: The conferences at Cairo and Tehran, 1943, p.359-361
That report was published in "Foreign Relations of the United States" in 1961
Eisenhower's statement was to an audience in November 26, 1943....


Now....what could have made him change his mind, and agree with Stalin/Roosevelt?
" In December1943, it was announced that Eisenhower would be Supreme Allied Commander in Europe."Military career of Dwight D. Eisenhower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Suddenly, the Roosevelt/Stalin choice, Normandy, became exemplary.
If I had to fight a defensive war there is no better place than Italy. It is so mountainous that a small number of defenders could hold off a much larger force. There were no vast open fields for tanks to maneuver. Normandy was the right military decision.

I am certain that every military tactician rushes to avail himself of your insights.
As they should just as they should know it took years to liberate Italy once the Germans occupied it. The Allies would still be fighting in the Alps as Stalin overran France and the Low Countries. That would have made Stalin, and apparently you, very happy.

Oooo.......that last post of mine really seems to have stung you.

When one is as dumb and willingly indoctrinated, as you are, there is only one place for you:

Welcome to the karma cafe....there are no menus but you will get what you deserve.
Beyond cutting & pasting and an inventive ad homonin, you really don't bring much to the table, do you?


OMG!


Another 'is not, isssss noootttttt!! response to informed and documented facts of history.


Please get lost.
 
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10. Stalin demanded that Roosevelt continue the war until 'unconditional surrender' of Germany, so that his enemy could not stand in the way of communism post war.
And Roosevelt, ever obedient, acquiesced.

See, many anti-Nazi Germans were ready to fight Hitler, but Stalin couldn't allow any German post-war resistance to Communism...
So Roosevelt agreed.
He could have ended the war with a victory before Normandy.

Know what that means? It means surrender of Nazi Germany could have been accomplished far earlier.





To get an idea of the cost of the extended war...."....over one hundred thirty-five thousand American GIs died –a startling figure today – between D day[june 6, 1944] and V-E day,[May 8, 1945]...."

So did the Red Army really singlehandedly defeat the Third Reich Stuff I Done Wrote - The Michael A. Charles Online Presence
Get that?
135,000 brave American boys whose lives were offered up as a gift to Stalin....to make certain that communism survived.


Based on the ratio of deaths to wounded, that would suggest almost an additional 200,000 wounded, just between Normandy and Germany's surrender.
Totally attributed to Roosevelt's refusal to allow a treaty to end the war.

United States suffered 292,000 combat deaths. Fully a third to a half during the last few years......could have been avoided.
World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



100,000 American boys.....
They were sacrificed, Roosevelt's love-token, to Stalin by this love-sick, puerile United States President.
What other explanation is there?
 

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If I had to fight a defensive war there is no better place than Italy. It is so mountainous that a small number of defenders could hold off a much larger force. There were no vast open fields for tanks to maneuver. Normandy was the right military decision.
I am certain that every military tactician rushes to avail himself of your insights.
As they should just as they should know it took years to liberate Italy once the Germans occupied it. The Allies would still be fighting in the Alps as Stalin overran France and the Low Countries. That would have made Stalin, and apparently you, very happy.
Oooo.......that last post of mine really seems to have stung you.

When one is as dumb and willingly indoctrinated, as you are, there is only one place for you:

Welcome to the karma cafe....there are no menus but you will get what you deserve.
Beyond cutting & pasting and an inventive ad homonin, you really don't bring much to the table, do you?
OMG!


Another 'is not, isssss noootttttt!! response to informed and documented facts of history.


Please get lost.
I love it when you do exactly what you accuse others of doing. :clap2:
 

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