Twitter Deletes Donald Trump!

[EvilEyeFleegle]

1) So you say...I say different...so what? I'm not a Leftist..even though the alt/right folks never lose an opportunity to paint me as one. Just because someone thinks Trump is an incompetent ass..does not put them on the left. I'm issue driven..and I despise the extremists in both parties..as I've said...time and time again.

2) I'm not a lib..and I chuckled over it..and still am. Trump has the bully pulpit..and can be heard any time he wishes--and as we know..he wishes a lot.

3) You are not half the nation....you are about 36%--if and when Twitter profits drop...then you might have a point. But it is up to the shareholders to make that point. I don't think it will come to that.

As I pointed out in an earlier post..which you dismissed, of course, a lot of Trump supporters wish he would shut the F up..and govern. His Twitter use in particular drew criticism. These are Trump voters..who say they will vote for Trump again. So, somehow I doubt that any great movement against Twitter will develop.

1. The support of speech suppression by the left is not a mater of opinion. Pretending an equivalence that does not exist does not make you intellectually superior.

2. And the left has the Main Stream Media, and Hollywood and Education from top to bottom. Your easy acceptance of censorship does not make you cool or edgy.

3. NOthing in our post addressed my point that the people running it have an ethical and professional responsibility to their shareholders. "Not dropping" is not their job. Neither is poking the president who got approximately HALF the votes.

Thank you for the civil debate..a rare thing here.

1. I disagree. You are stating what you believe to be a matter of fact..and I believe to be nothing but spin. The 'left' is not all one thing..nor is the right. Were I to say that all Rightists are racists..I would be incorrect. The same logic applies. I see no false equivalency--I see tails wagging dogs..and a lot of false narratives.

2. Again, you make some blanket statements that you present as fact..and I don't believe to be facts. That the MSM is left leaning editorially--I can buy... and I sure think that some organizations go overboard....but there are plenty of Right leaning organizations out there as well..Fox..Breitbart..infowars..ZeroHedge..and the entirety of Talk Radio. So, from top to bottom is a bit of an over-exaggeration, IMO. You seem to buy into this 'conspiracy theory' --that the Left controls everything..and the noble Right is just trying to get back to good ole American values. I do not buy it. What censorship? 1 disgruntled employee, remember? BTW..I suspect it would take divine intervention to make me either cool..or edgy.

3.You seem to see a Twitter approval of this act that I'm pretty does not exist. But...Twitter is private company..never mind that they are publicly traded...if the shareholders have issues..and I doubt that they do...it is up to them to deal with it.

IMO..this is NOT a free speech issue--Twitter could close Trump's account tomorrow..and they would be within their rights. Just as this forum could terminate our accounts..without reason given. The same logic applies.

As an aside..in the article I posted..which you chose to ignore...it's pretty clear that if Twitter ended Trump's account..about two thirds of his supporters would breath a quiet sigh of relief.

You're welcome.



1. Antifa is an organization of thugs that use violence to suppress speech it opposes. Time and time again, they threaten violence and the local liberals react by giving them what they want and/or ordering the police to stand down to let them commit violent attacks. We have discussed this on this site repeatedly and almost universally the libs here defend, deflect, minimize, claim false equivalences, ect.

2. It's not a conspiracy. IT's an ideology that has demonized it's enemies to the point that unethical and unprofessinal behavior is now considered moral behavior. And the leftist dominated media and pop culture and education vastly dwarf the other side.

3. When the last time some thing like this happened to a major lefty? I can't recall it ever happening.

1. I categorically and completely denounce ANTIFA. Nothing on the Right excuses or minimizes their behavior. I believe that ideas and concepts, even ones I find abhorrent, rise and fall on their merits..not on the crowds favor/disfavor. I especially despise ANTIFA because they are a cover..for the far more dangerous Anarchists..Black Block and the like..whose goals are the destruction of Statist institutions by any means possible. It may surprise you that there are those on the left who agree with me. I would put to you that those who talk sense..are not really being heard..regardless of their political/cultural leanings. I note that balanced, nuanced points of view..are ignored or mocked here..quite often..while the wild and unsupported polemic..garners tons of 'likes'.

2. My view..is that the public media is on it's way out...and all the screaming and wiggling..is its death throes. I don't watch any mainstream news at all. I view article, links etc. that my news aggregate comes up with. Making sense of the world is increasingly a matter of being able to sort wheat from chaff--many use this to cherry pick what supports their preconceptions..some use it to find some semblance of the 'truth'. It's hard work sometimes..and I fear most would rather be spoon fed their prejudices..one sickly-sweet spoonful at a time. This goes for the left and the right.
Yes..the cultural paradigm is changing with the demographics...it is inevitable..and a lot of what you may call 'left' leaning cultural standards..may well become the norm. Not much anyone can really do about it--the old guard is dying off..and the new blood..is taking over.

3. Hell..I have a hard time coming up with a major lefty..lol! Clinton..Obama..have been trolled by the right more than once..but, lets face it..Trump is THE polarizing figure of our time. The fact that we are having this discussion..sparked by 11 minutes of dead Twitter time...proves this.

1. I am not surprised that there are those on the left that do not support antifa. I'm well aware. I am also well aware that they are in the distinct minority. THe vast majority of the left give various degrees of support, with varying degrees of deniability.

2. The "Old Guard" is not "dying off". That type of talk just reveals the desire of the Left to marginalize any and all who disagree with them. The media, hollywood, education, everywhere liberals gain any significant authority or power, they abuse it to advance their agenda.


3. Trolling? I asked about their accounts or method of communication being shut down. YOu can't come up with one, because these supposedly meaningless and/or random events, just seem to happen to one side.

3b The people that build taboos so rigid and confining that being pro-America on Trade and Immigration policy is seen as radical and hateful, are the polarizing ones, not Trump.

1. OK..I can buy that..I do think that the support that many give on the left is more support for the idea..of anti-fascism/racism..and not so much for the ANTIFA..as a group. But support is support..and I won't quibble.

2. No..or at least not as I mean it. One cannot deny demographics. One cannot deny that our culture will change with it..how much...and what..is open for a lot of debate..I've a thread in the debate section here..if you wish to know my position on this..and perhaps chime in with your thoughts: Debate Now - Is the Cultural Paradigm Shifting Along with the Demographic Changes?

As to the last part of 2--the same could easily be said about the Right. Everyone is clamoring for a platform. A lot of spin..and a lot of false narratives..on all sides.
Your point that left has an advantage is noted..and I agree with it..as long as we acknowledge that we are now talking about the culture wars..and not so much about politics.

3a. Actually..other than this current Twitter kerfuffle..I can't really come up with either side being shut down..perhaps you could guide me in the right direction.

3b. Here we this confusion of terms..when you term your sides position as 'Pro-American' you ignore the fact that those who have an opposing view..also think their position is 'Pro-American. I'm quite anti illegal alien...I would deport every last one..if I had the magic wand, but I don't. Trump does..and he won't use it..because the optics..and the politics..are bad. Thus, to me..he is a hypocrite. Or..to some one else..he is a realist.

But one thing Trump is..he is a lightning rod..he is a catalyst..and he is a symbol.

To both sides.

 

[xyz]

While somewhat funny, I do not think it's worth permanently deleting the John's account. Two years ago, maybe, but now it's useful because he gets himself in trouble.

 

[Correll]

1. The support of speech suppression by the left is not a mater of opinion. Pretending an equivalence that does not exist does not make you intellectually superior.

2. And the left has the Main Stream Media, and Hollywood and Education from top to bottom. Your easy acceptance of censorship does not make you cool or edgy.

3. NOthing in our post addressed my point that the people running it have an ethical and professional responsibility to their shareholders. "Not dropping" is not their job. Neither is poking the president who got approximately HALF the votes.

Thank you for the civil debate..a rare thing here.

1. I disagree. You are stating what you believe to be a matter of fact..and I believe to be nothing but spin. The 'left' is not all one thing..nor is the right. Were I to say that all Rightists are racists..I would be incorrect. The same logic applies. I see no false equivalency--I see tails wagging dogs..and a lot of false narratives.

2. Again, you make some blanket statements that you present as fact..and I don't believe to be facts. That the MSM is left leaning editorially--I can buy... and I sure think that some organizations go overboard....but there are plenty of Right leaning organizations out there as well..Fox..Breitbart..infowars..ZeroHedge..and the entirety of Talk Radio. So, from top to bottom is a bit of an over-exaggeration, IMO. You seem to buy into this 'conspiracy theory' --that the Left controls everything..and the noble Right is just trying to get back to good ole American values. I do not buy it. What censorship? 1 disgruntled employee, remember? BTW..I suspect it would take divine intervention to make me either cool..or edgy.

3.You seem to see a Twitter approval of this act that I'm pretty does not exist. But...Twitter is private company..never mind that they are publicly traded...if the shareholders have issues..and I doubt that they do...it is up to them to deal with it.

IMO..this is NOT a free speech issue--Twitter could close Trump's account tomorrow..and they would be within their rights. Just as this forum could terminate our accounts..without reason given. The same logic applies.

As an aside..in the article I posted..which you chose to ignore...it's pretty clear that if Twitter ended Trump's account..about two thirds of his supporters would breath a quiet sigh of relief.

You're welcome.



1. Antifa is an organization of thugs that use violence to suppress speech it opposes. Time and time again, they threaten violence and the local liberals react by giving them what they want and/or ordering the police to stand down to let them commit violent attacks. We have discussed this on this site repeatedly and almost universally the libs here defend, deflect, minimize, claim false equivalences, ect.

2. It's not a conspiracy. IT's an ideology that has demonized it's enemies to the point that unethical and unprofessinal behavior is now considered moral behavior. And the leftist dominated media and pop culture and education vastly dwarf the other side.

3. When the last time some thing like this happened to a major lefty? I can't recall it ever happening.

1. I categorically and completely denounce ANTIFA. Nothing on the Right excuses or minimizes their behavior. I believe that ideas and concepts, even ones I find abhorrent, rise and fall on their merits..not on the crowds favor/disfavor. I especially despise ANTIFA because they are a cover..for the far more dangerous Anarchists..Black Block and the like..whose goals are the destruction of Statist institutions by any means possible. It may surprise you that there are those on the left who agree with me. I would put to you that those who talk sense..are not really being heard..regardless of their political/cultural leanings. I note that balanced, nuanced points of view..are ignored or mocked here..quite often..while the wild and unsupported polemic..garners tons of 'likes'.

2. My view..is that the public media is on it's way out...and all the screaming and wiggling..is its death throes. I don't watch any mainstream news at all. I view article, links etc. that my news aggregate comes up with. Making sense of the world is increasingly a matter of being able to sort wheat from chaff--many use this to cherry pick what supports their preconceptions..some use it to find some semblance of the 'truth'. It's hard work sometimes..and I fear most would rather be spoon fed their prejudices..one sickly-sweet spoonful at a time. This goes for the left and the right.
Yes..the cultural paradigm is changing with the demographics...it is inevitable..and a lot of what you may call 'left' leaning cultural standards..may well become the norm. Not much anyone can really do about it--the old guard is dying off..and the new blood..is taking over.

3. Hell..I have a hard time coming up with a major lefty..lol! Clinton..Obama..have been trolled by the right more than once..but, lets face it..Trump is THE polarizing figure of our time. The fact that we are having this discussion..sparked by 11 minutes of dead Twitter time...proves this.

1. I am not surprised that there are those on the left that do not support antifa. I'm well aware. I am also well aware that they are in the distinct minority. THe vast majority of the left give various degrees of support, with varying degrees of deniability.

2. The "Old Guard" is not "dying off". That type of talk just reveals the desire of the Left to marginalize any and all who disagree with them. The media, hollywood, education, everywhere liberals gain any significant authority or power, they abuse it to advance their agenda.


3. Trolling? I asked about their accounts or method of communication being shut down. YOu can't come up with one, because these supposedly meaningless and/or random events, just seem to happen to one side.

3b The people that build taboos so rigid and confining that being pro-America on Trade and Immigration policy is seen as radical and hateful, are the polarizing ones, not Trump.

1. OK..I can buy that..I do think that the support that many give on the left is more support for the idea..of anti-fascism/racism..and not so much for the ANTIFA..as a group. But support is support..and I won't quibble.

2. No..or at least not as I mean it. One cannot deny demographics. One cannot deny that our culture will change with it..how much...and what..is open for a lot of debate..I've a thread in the debate section here..if you wish to know my position on this..and perhaps chime in with your thoughts: Debate Now - Is the Cultural Paradigm Shifting Along with the Demographic Changes?

As to the last part of 2--the same could easily be said about the Right. Everyone is clamoring for a platform. A lot of spin..and a lot of false narratives..on all sides.
Your point that left has an advantage is noted..and I agree with it..as long as we acknowledge that we are now talking about the culture wars..and not so much about politics.

3a. Actually..other than this current Twitter kerfuffle..I can't really come up with either side being shut down..perhaps you could guide me in the right direction.

3b. Here we this confusion of terms..when you term your sides position as 'Pro-American' you ignore the fact that those who have an opposing view..also think their position is 'Pro-American. I'm quite anti illegal alien...I would deport every last one..if I had the magic wand, but I don't. Trump does..and he won't use it..because the optics..and the politics..are bad. Thus, to me..he is a hypocrite. Or..to some one else..he is a realist.

But one thing Trump is..he is a lightning rod..he is a catalyst..and he is a symbol.

To both sides.

2. a. THe culture change will be drastic.

b Minority majority does not mean that whites have "died out". They will still be the largest ethnic group for the foreseeable future. Ignoring them, or marginalizing them would be like, today, ignoring blacks, hispanics, asians, gays, and then some.

c But the constant Freudian slip of "Dying out" shows the mindset of those who are looking forward to that. And how it will blow up in all our faces.

3a. Plenty of right wing pundits and media figures have had their accounts banned or been blackballed for various excuses. See Milo.

3b I agree about illegals. The "conventional wisdom" is that that is a horrible racist position. That's not TRump's fault, your fault or my fault. That is the fault of the lefties that are defining our culture though their dominance of media and pop culture. They are the ones that invented rules that define wanting to serve the interests of Americans by deporting illegals, for one example, is radical.

They are the polarizers. Trump is the voice of reason.