Twice as many people working for the government than in all of manufacturing!

[get_involved]

Something is very wrong when there are 22.5 million people working for the government and only 11.5 million working in all of manufacturing.

Stephen Moore: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers - WSJ.com

 

[editec]

WEll, that's about what you'd expect after 40 years of FREE TRADE, isn't it?

 

[VaYank5150]

Something is very wrong when there are 22.5 million people working for the government and only 11.5 million working in all of manufacturing.

Stephen Moore: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers - WSJ.com

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

 

[Robert]

Something is very wrong when there are 22.5 million people working for the government and only 11.5 million working in all of manufacturing.

Stephen Moore: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers - WSJ.com

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

 

[Douger]

There's nobody today smart enough to work in that field. We either died or left.

 

[VaYank5150]

Something is very wrong when there are 22.5 million people working for the government and only 11.5 million working in all of manufacturing.

Stephen Moore: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers - WSJ.com

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

 

[Robert]

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

I'm betting you don't remember being told what was going to happen a very long time ago with the left's policy's but we were told 'Oh no we want a "Service based economy" well now you've got your "service based economy" don't like it so much eh?

Let's look at today shall we .......what do we see from the left Business are EVIL tax them into non existence Business owner are rich fat cat TAX THEM into non existence the complete demonetization of our Business's by the left and now you're whining they've moved over sea's?........Really?

 

[8537]

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

You gotta be kidding me. Our workforce is far more educated and light years more productive than India's.

 

[martybegan]

Reading the article you have to note that much of the reduction in the workforce numbers for manufacturing and agriculture comes from automation. Worker productivity in these fields is boosted by mechanization.

You also have to note that much more of our export value is in the service industry, be it finance or even entertainment.

I agree with the writer that goverment overhead is far too high, but even those numbers you need to discount military personnel, as they really do not contribute to governance per se.

 

[VaYank5150]

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

I'm betting you don't remember being told what was going to happen a very long time ago with the left's policy's but we were told 'Oh no we want a "Service based economy" well now you've got your "service based economy" don't like it so much eh?

Let's look at today shall we .......what do we see from the left Business are EVIL tax them into non existence Business owner are rich fat cat TAX THEM into non existence the complete demonetization of our Business's by the left and now you're whining they've moved over sea's?........Really?

VERY NICE dramatization and vaguery. Care to elaborate on these "left" policies you speak of?

 

[martybegan]

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

You gotta be kidding me. Our workforce is far more educated and light years more productive than India's.

Even if it is 3 times more productive it is 10 times more expensive. Unless you can convince people to pay more for US made items, work will continue to go overseas.

Think about it, it is cheaper to make something 4000 miles away and ship it here, than it is to make it here. This is valid for many low-tech items, things like clothes, that do not take alot of skill to make.

 

[VaYank5150]

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

You gotta be kidding me. Our workforce is far more educated and light years more productive than India's.

Even if it is 3 times more productive it is 10 times more expensive. Unless you can convince people to pay more for US made items, work will continue to go overseas.

Think about it, it is cheaper to make something 4000 miles away and ship it here, than it is to make it here. This is valid for many low-tech items, things like clothes, that do not take alot of skill to make.

And the CEOs multi-million dollar salaries do not play into the cost of manufatcuring?

 

[Mr Natural]

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

You gotta be kidding me. Our workforce is far more educated and light years more productive than India's.

But India's workforce is willing to work for a fraction of America's.

And therein lies the rub.

 

[jillian]

Something is very wrong when there are 22.5 million people working for the government and only 11.5 million working in all of manufacturing.

Stephen Moore: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers - WSJ.com

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

yeah, we should pay workers here what they pay in china, right?

loon

 

[Sallow]

Something is very wrong when there are 22.5 million people working for the government and only 11.5 million working in all of manufacturing.

Stephen Moore: We've Become a Nation of Takers, Not Makers - WSJ.com

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

No is forcing anyone overseas. Most of the richest people in the world live in the United States. And they are not just rich..they are obscenely rich. Some have so much money it would be impossible to count it all in several life times. But that is not enough. And for quite some time there has been a movement to reverse many of FDR's, New Deal provisions that generated prosperity in this country in the first place. These laws and regulations were not only meant to protect the rights of workers and the environment..but they actually help protect the corporations themselves. How?

1. Provide a large group of consumers with disposible income.
2. Insure that the products that are produced and service rendered meet high quality standards.
3. Insure integrity in the markets.
4. Provide an infrastructure (both physical and abstract) favorable to trade.
5. Insure that employees have a proper skill set to meet the needs of corporations.

The right has been working overtime for the ultimate goal of setting up defacto plutocracy it has completely taken for granted exactly why this country is so great in the first place.

 

[martybegan]

You gotta be kidding me. Our workforce is far more educated and light years more productive than India's.

Even if it is 3 times more productive it is 10 times more expensive. Unless you can convince people to pay more for US made items, work will continue to go overseas.

Think about it, it is cheaper to make something 4000 miles away and ship it here, than it is to make it here. This is valid for many low-tech items, things like clothes, that do not take alot of skill to make.

And the CEOs multi-million dollar salaries do not play into the cost of manufatcuring?

Divide the pay a CEO gets by the number of units a company sells and guess what? It really is a drop in the bucket in the cost of an item.

Lets look at Boeing for example of a high end product. A 737 costs 80 million, a 747 around 250 million. Lets take the average at $165 million. Boeing's CEO made 19.7 million in 2010, but Boeing has 2 major components, Defense with 68k employees, and commerical airlines at 58k or so. lets be generous and split it 50/50, ignoring any other products. So $9.85 million is the compensation for the commerical side. in 2008 Boeing shipped 407 units, so the CEO cost per unit is $24,201 per unit, or 0.01% of the aircraft's cost.

Now, high end items like aircraft are really not the issue, it is more low end items like clothes, or cheap electronics. I can assume the numbers are the same for those, or at least similar. I will try to do some math on those, but it makes the whole CEO thing a bit of a red herring.

 

[martybegan]

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

yeah, we should pay workers here what they pay in china, right?

loon

Or you have to force China to follow our regulations and rules, and thus raise thier own costs of doing business.

 

[VaYank5150]

Even if it is 3 times more productive it is 10 times more expensive. Unless you can convince people to pay more for US made items, work will continue to go overseas.

Think about it, it is cheaper to make something 4000 miles away and ship it here, than it is to make it here. This is valid for many low-tech items, things like clothes, that do not take alot of skill to make.

And the CEOs multi-million dollar salaries do not play into the cost of manufatcuring?

Divide the pay a CEO gets by the number of units a company sells and guess what? It really is a drop in the bucket in the cost of an item.

Lets look at Boeing for example of a high end product. A 737 costs 80 million, a 747 around 250 million. Lets take the average at $165 million. Boeing's CEO made 19.7 million in 2010, but Boeing has 2 major components, Defense with 68k employees, and commerical airlines at 58k or so. lets be generous and split it 50/50, ignoring any other products. So $9.85 million is the compensation for the commerical side. in 2008 Boeing shipped 407 units, so the CEO cost per unit is $24,201 per unit, or 0.01% of the aircraft's cost.

Now, high end items like aircraft are really not the issue, it is more low end items like clothes, or cheap electronics. I can assume the numbers are the same for those, or at least similar. I will try to do some math on those, but it makes the whole CEO thing a bit of a red herring.

Before we get too far along, I personally blame many of our unions for forcing jobs overseas. We are in a global economy and the wages and benefits that unions demand are not competitive in that global marketplace. However, to completely ignore CEO salary and benefits and lay ALL of the problems at the feet of the unions is probably inaccurate.

 

[Cuyo]

Maybe if our corporate "friends" would stop shipping all of the manufacturing jobs overseas, we wouldn't have these problems?

Ya has nothing to do with the left forcing Business overseas to remain competitive you know like Harley Davidson and Obama Motor's......ya the left's attacks on our Business environment has been so helpful.

yeah, we should pay workers here what they pay in china, right?

loon

Prosperity through low wages!!

God damnit you people are stupid...