Tweet of the year - Hiroshima vs Detroit

[sealybobo]

Two out of every three people didn't decide to leave Detroit during Mayor Duggan's tenure because they thought he was doing an awesome job.

It's not about me, and certainly nothing I could possibly be afraid of.
It doesn't even matter what state I live in, because I don't know of a single state that doesn't have a few large, blue, shitholes run by Democrats.

And yes, they keep getting elected, and sometimes they even get elected President.

None of those people who left blame him. Go figure. Every one of them thinks he will make a great Governor. They are so happy with how he has turned the city around. I guess you'll find out after he wins the Governor. We will be able to see what percent of blacks voted for him. If the blacks in the city like him why wouldn't the ones who moved out? YOU blame him but they don't.

I'll ask again. Where do you live? I live in Metro Detroit.

Ahhh, I see. You are just lumping Detroit into any/every Democratically run city. Blanket thoughts. You assume. Yea, I'm done now that I know you don't know shit and aren't from here.

For the record stupid, he's running as a independent. You should like that. What, do you like the Republican running for Governor in MI better? Exactly. You have no clue.

You're funny. What state are you in? Why is that a problem to say?

 

[Bitterhook]

None of those people who left blame him. Go figure. Every one of them thinks he will make a great Governor. They are so happy with how he has turned the city around. I guess you'll find out after he wins the Governor. We will be able to see what percent of blacks voted for him. If the blacks in the city like him why wouldn't the ones who moved out? YOU blame him but they don't.

I'll ask again. Where do you live? I live in Metro Detroit.

Ahhh, I see. You are just lumping Detroit into any/every Democratically run city. Blanket thoughts. You assume. Yea, I'm done now that I know you don't know shit and aren't from here.

For the record stupid, he's running as a independent. You should like that. What, do you like the Republican running for Governor in MI better? Exactly. You have no clue.

You're funny. What state are you in? Why is that a problem to say?

It's not about me, and it is not my fault or the fault of the state where I live that Mayor Dugan lost two thirds of his population in 10 years.

You can add cities run by Independents, that run off or lose two thirds of their population in a decade, to the list of Democrat run shitholes anyone in their right mind and with the means are fleeing.

It's not my job to figure out what Michigan needs to do, but it was Mayor Duggan's job to help Detroit grow and prosper, but he helped it shrink instead.

 

[sealybobo]

It's not about me, and it is not my fault or the fault of the state where I live that Mayor Dugan lost two thirds of his population in 10 years.

You can add cities run by Independents, that run off or lose two thirds of their population in a decade, to the list of Democrat run shitholes anyone in their right mind and with the means are fleeing.

It's not my job to figure out what Michigan needs to do, but it was Mayor Duggan's job to help Detroit grow and prosper, but he helped it shrink instead.

Oh shit! I was sure he was going to win. But thank you for alerting me. I looked into what Democrats have to say about him and now I'm not a fan. But I still give him credit for what he did with Detroit.

James & Benson Neck and Neck, Duggan 13 Points Behind In Poll​

November 18, 2025​

Mike Duggan has already tied himself to MAGA donors and taken harmful positions that are deeply out-of-touch with Michigan families on key issues that may define the race like health care. This is especially alienating to Democratic and Independent voters.

• Raising “big questions about his political realignment,” reports have made clear that “a sizable share” of Mike Duggan’s campaign fundraising “comes from donors of President Donald Trump, GOP party leaders, and conservative power brokers,” including former Michigan GOP Chair and Trump ally Ron Weiser and charter school profiteer JC Huizenga as two quick examples.

• As Donald Trump and Republicans like John James push an extreme and harmful agenda in DC, Mike Duggan has defended GOP health care cuts, saying “these Medicaid cuts are not as bad as they look,” and even expressed frustration that Democrats are pushing back by saying “Republicans want to cut your health care.”
• And while Elon Musk – who is toxic among Democratic voters – was dismantling the federal government, Duggan said that the first thing he would do if elected is “go see Elon Musk” and shared a post about starting a new political party with Musk.

 

[sealybobo]

It's no mystery Detroit has a $105 million budget surplus since Mayor Duggan has been in office, seeing as Detroit went from a population of 1,849,568 in 2015 to the current population of 645,705. Almost two thirds of the people have abandoned the city, and it doesn't require near what it did to manage the shithole that is left.

I would have never learned that Duggan was a MAGA if you hadn't alerted me. Now I want him to stay in the race because he will take from the Republican who's running.

Or I'm sure I would have learned it closer to the election. But you saved me a lot of embarrassment of me supporting this MAGA guy just because he was a good mayor of a shit hole.

 

[Bitterhook]

I would have never learned that Duggan was a MAGA if you hadn't alerted me. Now I want him to stay in the race because he will take from the Republican who's running.

Or I'm sure I would have learned it closer to the election. But you saved me a lot of embarrassment of me supporting this MAGA guy just because he was a good mayor of a shit hole.

You seem to have an ever-growing list of shit you never realized.
You're still a bit rusty at putting things together correctly, and you don't really come across as being very sincere, but if you keep at it you may grow up some day.

 

[sealybobo]

You seem to have an ever-growing list of shit you never realized.
You're still a bit rusty at putting things together correctly, and you don't really come across as being very sincere, but if you keep at it you may grow up some day.

I showed you I have the ability to change my mind. Admit I'm wrong. Do you have these abilities?

 

[Bitterhook]

I showed you I have the ability to change my mind. Admit I'm wrong. Do you have these abilities?

Of course, and not to mention that the ability to assume my ideas could be incorrect is the key element of critical thinking.

Why does it not surprise me you would have to ask?
Oh yeah, there goes that sincerity part you seem have problems with but keep working at it, junior.

 

[Sparker]

Blaming Democrats is easy, but they're only a minor detail in the ruin and depopulation of Detroit and many Rust Belt cities over the past seven decades, not just the past ten years. Here are the more significant factors:
The invention of the automobile allowed more suburban sprawl than was feasible with commuter rail.
The Department of Defense pushed suburban sprawl to reduce damage if cities are attacked in a nuclear war. Federal money was the first layer of financial incentives to make building new houses and new infrastructure more lucrative than maintaining old houses and old infrastructure.
Many factory jobs were outsourced to anywhere with cheaper labor.

Before suburban sprawl, many cities were economically and racially segregated. During sprawl, the metropolises are segregated. Democrats became the poorer, urban, and blacker party, for a little while. In the 80s they started becoming one of the two middle class office workers parties. Both parties voted to continue outsourcing jobs and wrecking the American economy to enrich the corporations and bureaucracy. Urban poor and rural poor were captive voting blocs who could be safely ignored.

 

[Bitterhook]

Blaming Democrats is easy, but they're only a minor detail in the ruin and depopulation of Detroit and many Rust Belt cities over the past seven decades, not just the past ten years. Here are the more significant factors:

But I was talking about the population lost in the last 10 years and under Mayor Duggan's tenure.

Of course there are all kinds of factors that could be addressed, and apparently they weren't.
You obviously don't have to convince me that more Democrats live in poor conditions and urban sprawl, because that's kind of what some folks mean when they say Democrat run shitholes.

The suburban areas springing up anywhere around me are not federally funded, and in fact quite the opposite.
It's people of all races and backgrounds that have the resources and mobility to get the heck out of the shitholes.
In fact, Democrats are now bitching about the suburban areas needing to include more shitty housing and lower wage jobs so more Democrats can get elected in those areas.

More importantly, none of that is a ******* secret, and trying to play smart by pretending it isn't so won't help anything, ever.

 

[sealybobo]

Of course, and not to mention that the ability to assume my ideas could be incorrect is the key element of critical thinking.

Why does it not surprise me you would have to ask?
Oh yeah, there goes that sincerity part you seem have problems with but keep working at it, junior.

I don't know when or why I assumed you were wrong. I live here in Michigan and I've never heard the right wing spin you are putting out. Could it be he's not running as a Republican and the PARTY wants him out? So you're toing the party line?

I don't like him because he's more MAGA than I thought. Actually, it's why I originally didn't like him. I got the sense he doesn't play politics so I was willing to support a guy like that rather than the Democrat. Thanks for reminding me he's too conservative for me.

You still haven't convinced me he did a bad job with Detroit.

 

[Sparker]

But I was talking about the population lost in the last 10 years and under Mayor Duggan's tenure.

Detroit's population peaked at 1.85 million in 1950 and then dropped to 639,000 over decades. During Duggan's term, the decline levelled out and then reversed. The city population is now up to 645,000. It will never get back to its peak, since we don't have the fossil fuel resources for that much manufacturing. It may drop much more as people move out to farms for work.

The city is geographically large, with substantial sprawl within city limits. At least some, maybe most of that will eventually become farmland.

 

[Bitterhook]

I don't know when or why I assumed you were wrong. I live here in Michigan and I've never heard the right wing spin you are putting out. Could it be he's not running as a Republican and the PARTY wants him out? So you're toing the party line?

I don't like him because he's more MAGA than I thought. Actually, it's why I originally didn't like him. I got the sense he doesn't play politics so I was willing to support a guy like that rather than the Democrat. Thanks for reminding me he's too conservative for me.

You still haven't convinced me he did a bad job with Detroit.

I am not worried about what it could be, nor any right-wing spin.

You don't even have a ******* clue what my political ideology is, and you are like a stupid monkey trying to cram it into Democrat, Republican, MAGA or whatever nonsense may be important to you. When I say Democrat run shitholes are failing and their people are fleeing, that's because they are and the people are leaving for greener pastures.

I just said that it isn't hard to find a budget surplus, when two of every three people leave the city, and you don't need as many classrooms/teachers, firemen, police, public servants or public services. It doesn't really matter if you like Mayor Duggan, unless of course you live in Detroit.

Nothing will convince you, because you live in a fairytale world that makes excuses for continued failure.

 

[Bitterhook]

Detroit's population peaked at 1.85 million in 1950 and then dropped to 639,000 over decades. During Duggan's term, the decline levelled out and then reversed. The city population is now up to 645,000. It will never get back to its peak, since we don't have the fossil fuel resources for that much manufacturing. It may drop much more as people move out to farms for work.

The city is geographically large, with substantial sprawl within city limits. At least some, maybe most of that will eventually become farmland.

You don't have to give me the numbers and the timeline because I already posted them in this thread and during this discussion.
According to the Detroit Free Press, here are the top 8 destinations for the folks that were leaving Detroit.

1. Cleveland
2. Chicago
3. Columbus, Ohio
4. Indianapolis
5. Cincinnati:
6. Minneapolis
7. Pittsburgh
8. Tampa, Florida

Of the newcomers coming to Detroit, here are the top 5 locations they are coming from.

1. Chicago
2. Atlanta
3. Toledo
4. Cleveland
5. Columbus

And here is what they have to say about Detroit's growth, "Michigan's population grew by 0.6% between 2023 and 2024, largely driven by international migration."

It's also not that hard to understand there is an abundance of products with fossil fuels as a component of the product, its production, or use. They are beginning to call this era in the US a Manufacturing Renaissance as manufacturing is growing. They just weren't able to keep that manufacturing in Detroit.

 

[Sparker]

You don't have to give me the numbers and the timeline because I already posted them in this thread and during this discussion.
According to the Detroit Free Press, here are the top 8 destinations for the folks that were leaving Detroit.

You blatantly fudged the numbers. You blame one guy for decades of decline that happened before his watch. Previous mayors can be blamed, but they were very limited in what they could do with the federal government and corporations with deep pockets working against them.

 

[Bitterhook]

You blatantly fudged the numbers. You blame one guy for decades of decline that happened before his watch. Previous mayors can be blamed, but they were very limited in what they could do with the federal government and corporations with deep pockets working against them.

It's not fudging the numbers when you can look them up.

If you would like to know what you are talking about instead of just making shit up and pretending you have clue, then here's and article that will tell you exactly how and why states like Alabama and Kentucky stole automobile manufacturing from the Motor City.

And guess what, it doesn't have shit to so with the federal government, but states and local authorities working with corporations to produce a more productive work environment. Better yet, Mayor Duggan could take some ******* notes and stop making excuses. Perhaps he could take that budget surplus and finally attempt to actually do something worthwhile for his city.

 

[sealybobo]

I am not worried about what it could be, nor any right-wing spin.

You don't even have a ******* clue what my political ideology is, and you are like a stupid monkey trying to cram it into Democrat, Republican, MAGA or whatever nonsense may be important to you. When I say Democrat run shitholes are failing and their people are fleeing, that's because they are and the people are leaving for greener pastures.

I just said that it isn't hard to find a budget surplus, when two of every three people leave the city, and you don't need as many classrooms/teachers, firemen, police, public servants or public services. It doesn't really matter if you like Mayor Duggan, unless of course you live in Detroit.

Nothing will convince you, because you live in a fairytale world that makes excuses for continued failure.

It's not hard to find a surplus. PAAAHleez. Who the **** are you to know any of this?

So I'm wrong you aren't either MAGA or a Republcans/Conservative?

Cities with Recent Surpluses (Per Taxpayer, as of early 2025 reports)

• Tampa, FL: $3,400
• Oklahoma City, OK: $2,900
• Arlington, TX: $1,500
• Cleveland, OH: $2,900
• Fort Wayne, IN: $200
• Irvine, CA: $4,200
• Lincoln, NE: $4,300
• Louisville, KY: $2,600
• Raleigh, NC: $2,700
• Orlando, FL: $300
• Plano, TX: $2,300
• Tulsa, OK: $200
• Virginia Beach, VA: $25
• Washington, D.C.: $9,000

DETROIT IS NOW ON THE LIST. Can't win with you.

 

[Bitterhook]

It's not hard to find a surplus. PAAAHleez. Who the **** are you to know any of this?

So I'm wrong you aren't either MAGA or a Republcans/Conservative?

Cities with Recent Surpluses (Per Taxpayer, as of early 2025 reports)

• Tampa, FL: $3,400
• Oklahoma City, OK: $2,900
• Arlington, TX: $1,500
• Cleveland, OH: $2,900
• Fort Wayne, IN: $200
• Irvine, CA: $4,200
• Lincoln, NE: $4,300
• Louisville, KY: $2,600
• Raleigh, NC: $2,700
• Orlando, FL: $300
• Plano, TX: $2,300
• Tulsa, OK: $200
• Virginia Beach, VA: $25
• Washington, D.C.: $9,000

DETROIT IS NOW ON THE LIST. Can't win with you.

What are you trying to win, and I said it wasn't hard to find a surplus when two thirds of the demand disappears.
Then you post a bunch pf cities that have a surplus, like that would somehow mean it might be difficult to find a surplus.

Do you always just wander around pretending you are making some kind of point?

 

[sealybobo]

What are you trying to win, and I said it wasn't hard to find a surplus when two thirds of the demand disappears.
Then you post a bunch pf cities that have a surplus, like that would somehow mean it might be difficult to find a surplus.

Do you always just wander around pretending you are making some kind of point?

I love this new AI shit. I can ask it if what you say is true and find that you aren't.

The exodus of residents from Detroit was a primary factor in the city's severe financial decline and eventual bankruptcy, not the cause of a surplus. The population loss led to a decimated tax base and plummeting revenues, which created massive deficits.
I just thought of something. You are talking about after the Bush Great Recession. Do you remember White Flight when us whites left Detroit? My family was the last to leave my block. 6 mile. 2 miles beyond 8 mile so you know I lived in the D proper. Anyways, how come Detroit didn't get a surplus after white flight happened in the 70's? I'll tell you why. Because what you are saying is ridiculous. You just keep insisting that it was easy for Duggan to do what 10 years ago you said couldn't be done. Interesting.
Detroit's population decline is a long-standing trend that began in the 1950s, but residents continued to leave during and after the Great Recession, particularly between 2005 and 2015

Duggan took over in 2014. Today, 2025, Detroit has a 100 million dollar surplus. Thank you Mike Duggan.

 

[Bitterhook]

I love this new AI shit. I can ask it if what you say is true and find that you aren't.

The exodus of residents from Detroit was a primary factor in the city's severe financial decline and eventual bankruptcy, not the cause of a surplus. The population loss led to a decimated tax base and plummeting revenues, which created massive deficits.
I just thought of something. You are talking about after the Bush Great Recession. Do you remember White Flight when us whites left Detroit? My family was the last to leave my block. 6 mile. 2 miles beyond 8 mile so you know I lived in the D proper. Anyways, how come Detroit didn't get a surplus after white flight happened in the 70's? I'll tell you why. Because what you are saying is ridiculous. You just keep insisting that it was easy for Duggan to do what 10 years ago you said couldn't be done. Interesting.
Detroit's population decline is a long-standing trend that began in the 1950s, but residents continued to leave during and after the Great Recession, particularly between 2005 and 2015

Duggan took over in 2014. Today, 2025, Detroit has a 100 million dollar surplus. Thank you Mike Duggan.

No I wasn't talking about the Bush Recession because I was talking about the decline between 2015 and 2025.
Mayor Duggan has only been in office for 11 years so nothing about him would have anything to do with the Bush Recession.

Go back to the first post I made and stop making shit up.
Proof that Ai doesn't make people smarter, and it cannot even help you learn how to read.
You bolded the portion that stops where I started counting, because that's when Mayor Duggan took office,