Twain's Full description of Palestine

[Coyote]

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

 

[Jroc]

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

Yeah it was empty and neglected until the Jew reclaimed their land

 

[theliq]

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

Yeah it was empty and neglected until the Jew reclaimed their land

HoHoHo,Empty!!!!!!!!!!That's why in 1886 the French President THANKED THE PALESTINIANS,THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE,for the generous DONATION,REPEAT DONATION of wheat(of wheat) that prevented a FAMINE,YES FAMINE in FRANCE.

You see Dopy JRoc,when making SUCH WEIRD AND IMMORAL STATEMENTS TO THE FOLK ON HERE ... I theliq ... one of the intelligentsia on here,will always cut you down with TRUTH AND FACTS to the MORONIC ICHNEUMON YOU ARE.

 

[Hossfly]

HoHoHo,Empty!!!!!!!!!!That's why in 1886 the French President THANKED THE PALESTINIANS,THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE,for the generous DONATION,REPEAT DONATION of wheat(of wheat) that prevented a FAMINE,YES FAMINE in FRANCE.

You see Dopy JRoc,when making SUCH WEIRD AND IMMORAL STATEMENTS TO THE FOLK ON HERE ... I theliq ... one of the intelligentsia on here,will always cut you down with TRUTH AND FACTS to the MORONIC ICHNEUMON YOU ARE.

Your typing style is a sure sign of schizophrenia.... Did you take your medication today?

He's on the joy juice early.

Hoss such a comment on here,you do realize that here in Paradise, "Joy JUICE" refers to the the "Love Juice of a Sexually Excited Femme"...you see Hoss,I will let you off.....THIS TIME> Naughty Boy.steve..LOL

You're a little behind the times, Steve. I used to drink with diggers in Vietnam and that's what they would call it. Check out Joy Juice.

Glossary of Slang and Peculiar Terms in Use in the A.I.F. - Australian National Dictionary Centre - ANU

No I am ahead of the times,as Aussies consumption of Alcohol has diminished in the past 40 odd years and the usage of this term has changed,much like Gay(for happy) now meaning something completely different.steve

ps What do you mean by...He Was Born Right Here In This House,Granny ? Hoss

That's what Obamas Granny told the world. Til she was declared incompetant.

 

[Phoenall]

Taken from the book "Innocents Abroad":

We traversed some miles of desolate country, a desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. The further we went, the more repulsive and dreary the landscape became. No landscape exists that is more tiresome to the eye than that which bounds to the approaches to Jerusalem...Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs that indicate the presence of Moslem rule, abound. Jerusalem is mournful and dreary and lifeless. I would not desire to live here. It is a hopeless and heart-broken land. Bethlehem is untenanted by any living creature. Stirring scenes occur in the Valley of Jezreel no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent, not for 30 miles in either direction. There is not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings. To find the sort of solitude to make one dreary, one must come to Galilee--these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barreness that never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and faint and fade into vague perspective, that melancholy ruin of Capernaum, this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal palms. We reached Tabor safely. Nazareth is forlorn, Jericho the accursed lies a moldering ruin today. Bethany is in poverty and humiliation. A desolate country where the soil is rich enough, but is given wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse, a desolation, we never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the cactus and olive tree, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country. It is empty, destitute and a barren desert. Palestine sits in sackloth and ashes, desolate and unlovely. It is dreamland.

My own notes, especially for those like Tinmore, who have never even been there:
Galilee is now full of trees. I have camped there. Nazareth, Tiberias and Jerusalem are beautiful, bustling cities. Even the desert blooms.

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

Foreveryoung: And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns


That's exactly how most of the OLD WORLD was settled mostly for protection against banditry like the Zionists!

Showing your stupidity again pballs as I wrote that to show that Palestine was a desolate uninhabited wasteland prior to the advent of Jewish migration to that desolate wasteland. And you go and agree that the arab muslims did not exist outside of their ramshackle huts and small villages. No banditry as you well know when the Jews bought the land at up to 5 times its worth, and then employed modern European farming methods to make the land fertile. Without the Jews migrating there and making the land fertile Palestine would still be a desolate uninhabited wasteland

 

[Phoenall]

Taken from the book "Innocents Abroad":

We traversed some miles of desolate country, a desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. The further we went, the more repulsive and dreary the landscape became. No landscape exists that is more tiresome to the eye than that which bounds to the approaches to Jerusalem...Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs that indicate the presence of Moslem rule, abound. Jerusalem is mournful and dreary and lifeless. I would not desire to live here. It is a hopeless and heart-broken land. Bethlehem is untenanted by any living creature. Stirring scenes occur in the Valley of Jezreel no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent, not for 30 miles in either direction. There is not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings. To find the sort of solitude to make one dreary, one must come to Galilee--these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barreness that never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and faint and fade into vague perspective, that melancholy ruin of Capernaum, this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal palms. We reached Tabor safely. Nazareth is forlorn, Jericho the accursed lies a moldering ruin today. Bethany is in poverty and humiliation. A desolate country where the soil is rich enough, but is given wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse, a desolation, we never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the cactus and olive tree, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country. It is empty, destitute and a barren desert. Palestine sits in sackloth and ashes, desolate and unlovely. It is dreamland.

My own notes, especially for those like Tinmore, who have never even been there:
Galilee is now full of trees. I have camped there. Nazareth, Tiberias and Jerusalem are beautiful, bustling cities. Even the desert blooms.

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

You do realise that your link says that the Zionists did not invade and colonise Palestine don't you, that they did not displace and dispossess them of their land. It also shows that in areas of Jewish immigration the arab increased more as well

 

[Phoenall]

Taken from the book "Innocents Abroad":

We traversed some miles of desolate country, a desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. The further we went, the more repulsive and dreary the landscape became. No landscape exists that is more tiresome to the eye than that which bounds to the approaches to Jerusalem...Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs that indicate the presence of Moslem rule, abound. Jerusalem is mournful and dreary and lifeless. I would not desire to live here. It is a hopeless and heart-broken land. Bethlehem is untenanted by any living creature. Stirring scenes occur in the Valley of Jezreel no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent, not for 30 miles in either direction. There is not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings. To find the sort of solitude to make one dreary, one must come to Galilee--these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barreness that never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and faint and fade into vague perspective, that melancholy ruin of Capernaum, this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal palms. We reached Tabor safely. Nazareth is forlorn, Jericho the accursed lies a moldering ruin today. Bethany is in poverty and humiliation. A desolate country where the soil is rich enough, but is given wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse, a desolation, we never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the cactus and olive tree, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country. It is empty, destitute and a barren desert. Palestine sits in sackloth and ashes, desolate and unlovely. It is dreamland.

My own notes, especially for those like Tinmore, who have never even been there:
Galilee is now full of trees. I have camped there. Nazareth, Tiberias and Jerusalem are beautiful, bustling cities. Even the desert blooms.

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

And to tell monte to stop spamming the board with his NO JEWS IN PALESTINE lies

 

[Phoenall]

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

Quite possible as that was still part of Palestine until 1947

 

[Phoenall]

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

But not many more is it, and it would be like saying that the west was overpopulated when the settlers set out in their wagon trains. People need to stop pretending it was fully populated and utilised by arab muslims

 

[Phoenall]

From your post...

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

Yeah it was empty and neglected until the Jew reclaimed their land

HoHoHo,Empty!!!!!!!!!!That's why in 1886 the French President THANKED THE PALESTINIANS,THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE,for the generous DONATION,REPEAT DONATION of wheat(of wheat) that prevented a FAMINE,YES FAMINE in FRANCE.

You see Dopy JRoc,when making SUCH WEIRD AND IMMORAL STATEMENTS TO THE FOLK ON HERE ... I theliq ... one of the intelligentsia on here,will always cut you down with TRUTH AND FACTS to the MORONIC ICHNEUMON YOU ARE.

Guess who those Palestinians where who managed to grow an overabundance of wheat so they had a surplus. Or are those truth and facts outside of your understanding and so you tend to ignore them

 

[turzovka]

Amazing how religious zealotry has driven so many to die, and to continue dying, over a strip of desert wasteland.

Amazing that you are incapable of making meaningful distinctions. An obvious clue is when the commentator uses the word "religions" instead of justly speaking of which one.

Muslims are not accountable for the sins of Christians or Jews, and we are not accountable for theirs. So spare us the "lumping" to make your case.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Thread has been cleaned up and infractions handed out

 

[theliq]

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

Yeah it was empty and neglected until the Jew reclaimed their land

HoHoHo,Empty!!!!!!!!!!That's why in 1886 the French President THANKED THE PALESTINIANS,THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE,for the generous DONATION,REPEAT DONATION of wheat(of wheat) that prevented a FAMINE,YES FAMINE in FRANCE.

You see Dopy JRoc,when making SUCH WEIRD AND IMMORAL STATEMENTS TO THE FOLK ON HERE ... I theliq ... one of the intelligentsia on here,will always cut you down with TRUTH AND FACTS to the MORONIC ICHNEUMON YOU ARE.

Guess who those Palestinians where who managed to grow an overabundance of wheat so they had a surplus. Or are those truth and facts outside of your understanding and so you tend to ignore them

Your sentence makes NO SENSE.....but if you are inferring that it was Jews that produced the wheat(see how bright I am,at deciphering your poor grammar) Think Again.......poor Phoney WRONG AGAIN

 

[theliq]

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

Insane Nonsence

 

[theliq]

Taken from the book "Innocents Abroad":

We traversed some miles of desolate country, a desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action. The further we went, the more repulsive and dreary the landscape became. No landscape exists that is more tiresome to the eye than that which bounds to the approaches to Jerusalem...Rags, wretchedness, poverty and dirt, those signs that indicate the presence of Moslem rule, abound. Jerusalem is mournful and dreary and lifeless. I would not desire to live here. It is a hopeless and heart-broken land. Bethlehem is untenanted by any living creature. Stirring scenes occur in the Valley of Jezreel no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent, not for 30 miles in either direction. There is not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings. To find the sort of solitude to make one dreary, one must come to Galilee--these unpeopled deserts, these rusty mounds of barreness that never do shake the glare from their harsh outlines, and faint and fade into vague perspective, that melancholy ruin of Capernaum, this stupid village of Tiberias, slumbering under its six funereal palms. We reached Tabor safely. Nazareth is forlorn, Jericho the accursed lies a moldering ruin today. Bethany is in poverty and humiliation. A desolate country where the soil is rich enough, but is given wholly to weeds. A silent, mournful expanse, a desolation, we never saw a human being on the whole route. There was hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the cactus and olive tree, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country. It is empty, destitute and a barren desert. Palestine sits in sackloth and ashes, desolate and unlovely. It is dreamland.

My own notes, especially for those like Tinmore, who have never even been there:
Galilee is now full of trees. I have camped there. Nazareth, Tiberias and Jerusalem are beautiful, bustling cities. Even the desert blooms.

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Canard Indeed.

 

[Phoenall]

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

More then a "couple hundred" thousand. And the census frequently undercounts since many avoid it to avoid paying taxes. People need to stop pretending it was "empty".

Yeah it was empty and neglected until the Jew reclaimed their land

HoHoHo,Empty!!!!!!!!!!That's why in 1886 the French President THANKED THE PALESTINIANS,THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE,for the generous DONATION,REPEAT DONATION of wheat(of wheat) that prevented a FAMINE,YES FAMINE in FRANCE.

You see Dopy JRoc,when making SUCH WEIRD AND IMMORAL STATEMENTS TO THE FOLK ON HERE ... I theliq ... one of the intelligentsia on here,will always cut you down with TRUTH AND FACTS to the MORONIC ICHNEUMON YOU ARE.

Guess who those Palestinians where who managed to grow an overabundance of wheat so they had a surplus. Or are those truth and facts outside of your understanding and so you tend to ignore them

Your sentence makes NO SENSE.....but if you are inferring that it was Jews that produced the wheat(see how bright I am,at deciphering your poor grammar) Think Again.......poor Phoney WRONG AGAIN

Try looking at the evidence and you will see who had the abundance that could be given away. Lets say it is not in a muslims make up to give anything away

 

[Phoenall]

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

Insane Nonsence

WHY because it shows the Zionists were right and it was a land without people ?

 

[Phoenall]

Mark Twain's writing is the only source you guys ever use to make this claim - over and over. Twain was a skilled writer, and also a writer of fiction who took literary license. I don't believe historians use this as a basis for their findings.

NO we use contemporary reports from the period and Ottoman census results that all show that Palestine was devoid of life over most of its land surface. And that most of its people lived in the towns and cities, and farmed the land close to the towns and cities. We don't use the reports published by a committee that paid others to go out and count the numbers of people, and they in turn paid locals to provide the numbers. Mark Twain's writings are just used as icing on the cake to support the facts from such sources as the Catholic church and the Ottoman records

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Canard Indeed.

It would be like saying New York was full before the founding fatherd arrived ?

 

[theliq]

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

Palestine was not empty, not even close.

From your post...

The major conclusion is "The nature of the data do not permit precise conclusions about the Arab population of Palestine in Ottoman and British times" Anyone who pretends otherwise is deliberately misleading you

.

Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

Insane Nonsence

WHY because it shows the Zionists were right and it was a land without people ?

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[Phoenall]

From your post...

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Exactly...yet you chose to leave out the next two sentences immediately following:

"We can reach some general conclusions - Palestine was not empty when Zionists started arriving, there was some Arab immigration as well etc. But we cannot give a precise number in any case, and even if we could, it would not constitute evidence to back any moral claims. "

Not empty. Maybe it's time to lay that canard to rest.

Yeah pretty empty actually. A couple hundred thousand people is pretty empty,for the whole of "Palestine" Do your numbers include the trans Jordan as well?

Insane Nonsence

WHY because it shows the Zionists were right and it was a land without people ?

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Do look at the evidence presented and you will see that your islamonazi propaganda is garbage. A land that once held in excess of 5 million barely had 2% of this population prior to the 1920's says the land was not populated to any extent