Tuscon Turning Point?

[Jos]

Israeli soldiers 'shot at children collecting gravel by Gaza border'

The Israeli military has been urged to investigate the recent shootings of at least 12 impoverished Palestinian teenagers and young men collecting gravel in an effort to eke out an income within 800 metres of Gaza’s heavily guarded northern border.

The youngsters - including at least two under 15 - were shot and injured as they gathered the gravel to sell cement manufacturers struggling to meet a fraction of the demand for building materials still banned from entering Gaza through Israel.

Israeli soldiers 'shot at children collecting gravel by Gaza border' - Middle East, World - The Independent
WE SEE YOUR ACTS

 

[georgephillip]

Israeli soldiers 'shot at children collecting gravel by Gaza border'

The Israeli military has been urged to investigate the recent shootings of at least 12 impoverished Palestinian teenagers and young men collecting gravel in an effort to eke out an income within 800 metres of Gaza’s heavily guarded northern border.

The youngsters - including at least two under 15 - were shot and injured as they gathered the gravel to sell cement manufacturers struggling to meet a fraction of the demand for building materials still banned from entering Gaza through Israel.

Israeli soldiers 'shot at children collecting gravel by Gaza border' - Middle East, World - The Independent
WE SEE YOUR ACTS

"In the past 10 years Israeli forces have killed at least 255 Palestinian minors by fire to the head, and the number may actually be greater, since in many instances the specific bodily location of the lethal trauma is unlisted.

"In addition, this statistic does not include the many more Palestinian youngsters shot in the head by Israeli soldiers who survived, in one form or another...

"Below is a small sampling of those who died. (The term IDF stands for 'Israeli Defense Forces,' although these forces are, in reality, an occupation army and are almost always deployed offensively; the incidents below took place on Palestinian territory):

Sami, 12, died of head wounds from IDF gunfire during a demonstration. Abdul, 9, was killed by IDF gunfire to his head during a funeral. Ala, 14, died of head wounds from IDF gunfire while on the terrace of his home one hour after injuring an Israeli soldier with a stone.

"Omar, 11, died of head wounds from IDF gunfire during a demonstration. Diya, 3 months, was killed, along with her older brother, by Israeli settler gunfire to her head and back.

"Bara, 10, was killed by IDF gunfire to his head while near his home. Ayman, 15, was killed by IDF tank fire to his head while farming. Khalil, 11, was killed by IDF tank fire to his head while playing with a friend.

"Rami, 13, was killed by IDF helicopter fire to his head while playing in front of his house. Yaser, 11, died of head wounds from an IDF rubber-coated bullet
fired at close range during a demonstration…/1/

"Imagine if these names were Bobby… Michael… Susan... Melissa… Jimmy… and that the foreign troops killing them were invading Arizona, Connecticut, Ohio..."

I don't remember hearing stories like this from White South Africa. Although there is one glaring distinction between the two racist states.

In South Africa, blacks were 85% of the workforce.

That's not the case in Israel.

Shot in the Head

 

[docmauser1]

Click on this link for the connection between Gifford's head shot and Tom Hurndall's.

I'm sure it's garbage.

Giffords has no problem supporting the killing of innocent Palestinian children by head shots. Are you surprised that what goes around sometimes comes around?

Corrie didn't like bulldozers too ... what goes around, no?

 

[docmauser1]

"On a recent trip to the region, I visited the Khan Younis refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. As the searing afternoon heat and swirling eddies of dust enveloped the camp, I sought cover, slumping under the shade of a palm-roofed hut on the edge of the dunes. I was momentarily defeated by the grit that covered my face and hair, the jostling crowds, the stench of the open sewers and rotting garbage.

The UNRWA should be fired for mismanagement. But palisimians love their so-called refugee camps, it is their full-time occupation.

"I stood up and walked outside the hut. The invective spewed out in a bitter torrent. 'Son of a *****!' 'Son of a whore!' 'Your mother's ****!'"The boys darted in small packs up the sloping dunes to the electric fence that separated the camp from the Jewish settlement abutting it. They lobbed rocks towards a jeep, mounted with a loudspeaker and protected by bulletproof armor plates and metal grating, that sat parked on the top of a hill known as Gani Tal.

Damn, those are some dumbass kids, indeed. And rampant parental negligence, of course.

"There was the boom of a percussion grenade. The boys, most no more than ten or eleven years old, scattered, running clumsily through the heavy sand. They descended out of sight behind the dune in front of me. There were no sounds of gun-fire. The soldiers shot with silencers. The bullets from M-I6 rifles, unseen by me, tumbled end-over-end through their slight bodies.

So, Hedges claims dumbass kids "descended out of sight behind the dune" and at the same time claims "bullets ... tumbled end-over-end through their slight bodies". Dune-penetrating Superman's vision, indeed.

I would see the destruction, the way their stomachs were ripped out, the gaping holes in their limbs and torsos, later in the hospital.

Why "later in the hospital", when he claims the presense of the ambulance? And we aren't talking about riot-control adaptors he happily mistook for silencers, but was able to identify a stun greanade.

 

[georgephillip]

Let us pray that Gabrielle Giffords recovers fully, returns to Congress, and that she then works to prevent others – including Palestinians – from being shot in the head.

Gabrielle Giffords, Tom Hurndall and Palestinian Children Shot in the Head - Salem-News.Com
I say let her be transferred to the bed next to Arik (the slug) shinerman (aka ariel sharon)

Maybe Gabbi and the Slug could dial up Rachel Corrie and Pat Tillman?

And a few of the 1,452 Palestinian children killed by Israel since September of 2000.

Or maybe that would be trolling?

 

[georgephillip]

Trolling for rep points?

 

[Ropey]

In 2001 Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords made a pilgrimage to Israel that she has called a turning point in her life. During that same year, Israeli forces killed 103 children, 31 by head shots.

In the last ten years the IDF has killed at least 255 Palestinian children using head shots. In 2009 the UK Telegraph asked a Sinai physician about the nature of these shootings:

"'I can't precisely decide whether these children are being shot at as a target, but in some cases the bullet comes from the front of the head and goes towards the back, so I think the gun has been directly pointed at the child.'"

If the only victim of the Tuscon shootings had been a congressperson who could always be counted on to support Israeli war crimes, the concept of karma would be much easier to apply.

Nine year-old Christina Taylor Green among the other victims seems the most tragic loss.

"It is equally tragic to read of nine-year-old Akaber, killed by Israeli gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed, and of the 29 other nine-year-olds killed by Israeli forces in the past decade, eight of them by Israeli gunfire to the head...

"But there is hope that Gabrielle Giffords is going to survive

"Let us pray that she recovers fully, that she is able to return to Congress, and that she then works to prevent others – including Palestinians – from being shot in the head.

Alison Weir: Shot in the Head

His source? An opinion piece on counterpunch.org? Look at the unproven numbers he cites and still this place allows this drivel?

But which this forum seems to allow, even when the rules are clear that you must cite sources when you create attachments. What he did is not free speech.

It is a lie of false attachment. Reported and allowed.

So what is not allowed here?

Georgephillip =

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/150856-tuscon-turning-point-2.html#post3239197

 

[georgephillip]

You're the lie here.

If you dispute my sources, PROVE they are in error.

Or continue generating income from shooting children in the head.

Your whining is pathetic.

But I wouldn't expect anything more from you or your slave religion.

 

[Ropey]

Sources from opinion pieces? Factual? No. But this place allows complete opinion as sources.

But don't you pretend they are factual. You are pathetic.

Indicting me for the Israel / Palestinian issue is simple insanity.

But, once again, this place allows the trolls to create insane extensions supported by opinions.

 

[P F Tinmore]

In 2001 Arizona congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords made a pilgrimage to Israel that she has called a turning point in her life. During that same year, Israeli forces killed 103 children, 31 by head shots.

In the last ten years the IDF has killed at least 255 Palestinian children using head shots. In 2009 the UK Telegraph asked a Sinai physician about the nature of these shootings:

"'I can't precisely decide whether these children are being shot at as a target, but in some cases the bullet comes from the front of the head and goes towards the back, so I think the gun has been directly pointed at the child.'"

If the only victim of the Tuscon shootings had been a congressperson who could always be counted on to support Israeli war crimes, the concept of karma would be much easier to apply.

Nine year-old Christina Taylor Green among the other victims seems the most tragic loss.

"It is equally tragic to read of nine-year-old Akaber, killed by Israeli gunfire to her head while riding in her uncle’s car to get medical stitches removed, and of the 29 other nine-year-olds killed by Israeli forces in the past decade, eight of them by Israeli gunfire to the head...

"But there is hope that Gabrielle Giffords is going to survive

"Let us pray that she recovers fully, that she is able to return to Congress, and that she then works to prevent others – including Palestinians – from being shot in the head.

Alison Weir: Shot in the Head

His source? An opinion piece on counterpunch.org? Look at the unproven numbers he cites and still this place allows this drivel?

But which this forum seems to allow, even when the rules are clear that you must cite sources when you create attachments. What he did is not free speech.

It is a lie of false attachment. Reported and allowed.

So what is not allowed here?

Georgephillip =

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/150856-tuscon-turning-point-2.html#post3239197

Remember These Children 2001 Memorial

 

[Ropey]

Wanted does not mean that Hamas is not going to setup Sharia.

They are clear.

Hamas Parliament votes for Sharia in Gaza

"Such punishments include whipping, severing hands, crucifixion and hanging." Can full dhimmitude for the Christians there be far behind?

"Hamas pushes for Sharia punishments," from the Jerusalem Post, December 24 (thanks to all who sent this in):

The Hamas parliament in the Gaza Strip voted in favor of a law allowing courts to mete out sentences in the spirit of Islam, the London-based Arab daily Al Hayat reported Wednesday.

According to the bill, approved in its second reading and awaiting the signature of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas as the Palestinian constitution demands, courts will be able to condemn offenders to a plethora of violent punitive measures.

Such punishments include whipping, severing hands, crucifixion and hanging. The bill reserves death sentences to persons who negotiate with a foreign government "against the Palestinian interest" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

According to the report, any Palestinian caught drinking or selling wine would suffer 40 lashes at the whipping post if the bill passes. Thieves caught red-handed would lose their right hand.

In accord with Qur'an 5:38

The bill reserves death sentences to persons who negotiate with a foreign government "against the Palestinian interest" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

Hamas institutes Sharia law in Gaza

Muslims Against Sharia In Gaza

The Hamas parliament in the Gaza Strip voted in favor of a law allowing courts to mete out sentences in the spirit of Islam, the London-based Arab daily Al Hayat reported Wednesday.

According to the bill, approved in its second reading and awaiting a third reading before the approval of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, as the Palestinian constitution demands, courts will be able to condemn offenders to a plethora of violent punitive measures in line with Sharia Law.

Such punishments include whipping, severing hands, crucifixion and hanging. The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

Regardless of what some Palestinians say, the writing is on the wall.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wanted does not mean that Hamas is not going to setup Sharia.

They are clear.

Hamas Parliament votes for Sharia in Gaza

"Such punishments include whipping, severing hands, crucifixion and hanging." Can full dhimmitude for the Christians there be far behind?

"Hamas pushes for Sharia punishments," from the Jerusalem Post, December 24 (thanks to all who sent this in):

The Hamas parliament in the Gaza Strip voted in favor of a law allowing courts to mete out sentences in the spirit of Islam, the London-based Arab daily Al Hayat reported Wednesday.

According to the bill, approved in its second reading and awaiting the signature of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas as the Palestinian constitution demands, courts will be able to condemn offenders to a plethora of violent punitive measures.

Such punishments include whipping, severing hands, crucifixion and hanging. The bill reserves death sentences to persons who negotiate with a foreign government "against the Palestinian interest" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

According to the report, any Palestinian caught drinking or selling wine would suffer 40 lashes at the whipping post if the bill passes. Thieves caught red-handed would lose their right hand.

In accord with Qur'an 5:38

The bill reserves death sentences to persons who negotiate with a foreign government "against the Palestinian interest" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

Hamas institutes Sharia law in Gaza

Muslims Against Sharia In Gaza

The Hamas parliament in the Gaza Strip voted in favor of a law allowing courts to mete out sentences in the spirit of Islam, the London-based Arab daily Al Hayat reported Wednesday.

According to the bill, approved in its second reading and awaiting a third reading before the approval of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, as the Palestinian constitution demands, courts will be able to condemn offenders to a plethora of violent punitive measures in line with Sharia Law.

Such punishments include whipping, severing hands, crucifixion and hanging. The bill reserves death sentences to people who negotiate with a foreign government "against Palestinian interests" and engage in any activity that can "hurt Palestinian morale."

Regardless of what some Palestinians say, the writing is on the wall.

Hamas does not have a parliament in Gaza.

 

[Ropey]

Until they say they do. They have no army until they say they do. They have no suicide bombers until they say they do.

That's Hamas....

And you it would seem.

 

[georgephillip]

Do you dispute Alison Weir's numbers?

"She (Giffords) called a 2001 visit to Israel a turning point in her life (Israeli forces killed 103 children that year, 31 of them shot in the head) and wrote in 2006 (a year in which Israeli forces killed 665 Palestinians, 139 of them children, and Palestinians killed 23 Israelis, two of them children) that 'the United States must do everything possible to secure Israel’s long-term security.' /17/ Palestinian victims – killed first and in far greater numbers – seem to have been invisible to her./18/"

What "sources" would you consider credible among the following?

"Notes and Citations

1. Remember These Children http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2000.html; Since Sept 29, 2000 Israeli forces have killed at least 1,452 Palestinian children; Palestinians have killed 124 Israeli children. Every single one of these deaths is a tragedy. 91 Palestinian children were killed before any Israeli children were killed. Palestinian and Israeli children Killed

2. “Bullets in the brain, shrapnel in the spine: the terrible injuries suffered by children of Gaza,” The Telegraph, Jan. 2009, Telegraph.co.uk - Telegraph online, Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph - Telegraph

Related: “Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks,” video of CBS news report, Jan. 5, 2009

3. “The Darkness to Expel! Israeli soldiers' book ‘Breaking the Silence’ describes ‘routine’ oppression,” The Missing Headlines, Uri Avnery, Dec. 27, 2010 Israel-Palestine: The Missing Headlines

4. Section with articles on Tom Hurndall, If Americans Knew website Articles About Tom Hurndall

5. “Dispatches: The Killing Zone,” Sandra Jordan and Rodrigo Vasquez, UK Channel 4, May 19, 2003 Dispatches: The Killing Zone

6. “Israel's killing of British citizen Iain Hook, UNRWA's Project Manager in Jenin
Caoimhe Butterly as told to Annie Higgins writing from Jenin Refugee Camp,” Live from Palestine, 22 November 2002 ei: Israel's killing of British citizen Iain Hook, UNRWA's Project Manager in Jenin

7. “Film-maker's death 'was murder',” BBC News, April 4, 2006 BBC NEWS | UK | England | Devon | Film-maker's death 'was murder'

8. “Facts about Tristan” Solidarity with Tristan Anderson

9. “EXCLUSIVE...Emily Henochowicz Speaks Out: Art Student Who Lost Her Eye After Being Shot by Israeli Tear Gas Canister in West Bank Protest Discusses Her Life, Her Art, and Why She Plans to Return,” Democracy Now, Aug 5, 2010 A daily TV/radio news program, hosted by Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez, airing on over 900 stations, pioneering the largest community media collaboration in the United States.

10. If Americans Knew website, from B’Tselem and Remember These Children If Americans Knew - what every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine

11. “The Story of a Palestinian Shot in the Head with a Rubber-Coated Steel Bullet by Israeli Occupation Soldiers,” Mazin Qumsiyeh, Al-Jazeerah, CCUN, September 20, 2010 Al-Jazeerah: Cross-Cultural Understanding

12. “Shepherd killed; 3 injured in Northern Gaza,” IMEMC, Dec. 23, 2010 Shepherd killed; 3 injured in Northern Gaza - International Middle East Media Center

13. “U.S. Military Aid and the Israel/Palestine Conflict,” If Americans Knew, from Congressional Research Service reports US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians ;

“$3.4b in US military aid delayed: US military aid to Israel in 2011 is due to be largest amount Israel has ever received,” Globes Israel’s Business Arena, December 26, 2010 ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????

14. “The Israel Lobby,” London Review of Books, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, March 23, 2006 LRB · John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt · The Israel Lobby

16. “Israel Violates Law on U.S. Weapons in Mideast,” IPS, Jan 17, 2006 IPS Inter Press Service

17. AIPAC Facebook post, Jan. 9, 2011, 3:35 pm AIPAC ? The American Israel Public Affairs Committee | Facebook

“A Tribe of Candidates Leads Drive To Retake House for Democrats,” The Forward, Sept. 22, 2006: “…Several candidates who spoke with the Forward did say that they would be strong advocates for Israel in Congress. This is ‘an opportunity to send someone to Congress who’s going to work for Israel,’ Giffords told the Forward…” A Tribe of Candidates Leads Drive To Retake House for Democrats ? Forward.com

18. B’Tselem - Israeli Information Center for Human Rights http://www.btselem.org/

If Americans Knew If Americans Knew - what every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine

19. “Thumbnail sketches of those shot in Arizona,” Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Jan. 11, 2011 http://www.ajc.com/"

I suspect your only interest is to shield Israel from the consequences of killing children for money and sport.

Prove me wrong.

Shot in the Head

 

[Ropey]

 

[georgephillip]

Bullets in the brain...

From The Telegraph during Cast Lead:

"But there is no disputing the scale of the suffering in Gaza, or its heavy impact on the young. The United Nations has counted 346 Palestinian children killed since the Israeli assault began, while Hamas, the radical Islamic movement that Israel has been trying to dislodge, says there are 410 children among the 1,201 Palestinian dead.

"An even larger number of children have been wounded - 1,630, according to Hamas - and a disturbing number of them have suffered serious injuries to the head.

"Hundreds of victims of Israel's three-week campaign in Gaza have been transferred across the Egyptian border at Rafah for urgent treatment. They are seen first at El-Arish, nearly 40 miles from the border. For patients who are often on ventilators it is a hazardous journey across a war zone.

"One of the medical team leaders at the hospital, Dr Ayman Abd al-Hadi, said that this was the worst conflict he had experienced. 'We've had one child with two bullets in the head and nowhere else," he said. "We think that this shows something.'"

Bullets in the brain...

 

[Jos]

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Photo shopped
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[georgephillip]

White Flag Deaths

"On December 27, 2008, Israel launched 'Operation Cast Lead,' with the stated aim of stopping the ongoing rocket fire from Palestinian armed groups into Israel. The operation began with a large-scale air campaign, followed by a ground offensive eight days later.

"Below are seven incidents during the operation where Israeli soldiers fired with small arms on civilians, killing 11 people—including five women and four children—and wounding at least another eight.

"These casualties comprise a small fraction of the Palestinian civilians wounded and killed during the operation, but they stand out because, in each case, the victims were standing, walking, or in slowly moving vehicles with other unarmed civilians, and were trying to convey their non-combatant status by waving a white flag.

"All available evidence indicates that Israeli forces were in control of the areas in question, no fighting was taking place there at the time, and no Palestinian forces were hiding among the civilians or using them as human shields."

 

[docmauser1]

"Below are seven incidents during the operation where Israeli soldiers fired with small arms on civilians, killing 11 people—including five women and four children—and wounding at least another eight.

And how is it supposed to be bad, if the press is happy, arabs are happy, hamas is all happy, judophobes are happy?

 

[georgephillip]

Possibly because your name is missing from the casualties?

(Of course, NOT)

dRIVEL ON, dOC!