Turns out Obama was right again. Must suck to be the failed GOP leadership.

[CrusaderFrank]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:

"I did that" -- Obummer

It's truly sickening when you guys hold up the picture with the purple finger. Look at the woman. She is wearing a fucking Burka. Under Saddam, Iraqi women dressed in western style clothes. When the Bush administration introduced Sharia law back into Iraq written into the "new" Iraq constitution, women lost all rights. You can bet she is voting for who her husband tells her to vote for. How can you people be so ignorant even when you are staring at the obvious? Fucking "LEARN" something.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq - CNN.com

But although the women of Iraq have obtained some benefits on paper, the reality is that they have lost far more than they have gained since the war began in 2003.

It has been just over 20 years since I left Iraq. Today, female college students ask me if it is true that the streets of Baghdad were once full of women driving, that women could walk around in public at all times of the day without worry, that university campuses were once filled with women who did not wearing headscarves.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

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It's depressing, the determined ignorance of these nasty right wingers. They refuse to learn and don't know jack shit about anything.

And if you check out the thread on clown avatars, you will also find they can't answer simple questions.

You morons made a thread on your clown avis?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

CF 10762784

Sorry your Uncle Saddam came to such a bad end

Sorry our 4584 American soldiers came to such a bad end when there was no reason for them to be there.

 

[Dot Com]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:





"I did that" -- Obummer

hack post CrusaderFrank A couple of pics from you aint going to change that. How many more TRILLIONS in taxes are YOU willing to pay to stand-up for people who won't stand-up for themselves hmmm? Not to mention all the kids who return from there w/ TBI . Vietraq was a quagmire in lives & treasure from Day 1

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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Dude, I just quoted two sources...the Congressional Research Service Report of July 2012 and the U.S. Overseas Loans and Grants, U.S. Bureau of Census (BUCEN) International Database

You provided no links nor excerpts. What is the type of aid and from what US Federal agency? Why must you hide the details?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

OS

The fact is...Barack Obama used the expiring Status of Forces Agreement as an excuse to do what he wanted to do...withdraw American combat forces...and he did so against the advise of his military advisers

You already admitted that none of his military advisers advised Obama to leave troops in Iraq without immunity. And it wasn't about combat forces by that time anyway. Bush agreed to pull combat troops out of Iraqi cities by June 2009 and the Iraqis wanted that agreement to be honored.

It would have been more unwise to keep troops there anyway because of what Maliki was doing to the Sunnis in Iraq., Do you hate Iraq's Sunnis?

Anyway - the DOD contradicts your entire belief system. I posted this earlier:

MEC - learn what that means.

. In its June 2010 report, the last report issued as U.S. troops were transitioning to advising and assisting Iraqi forces, the security environment was characterized as stable but “fragile,” with declining levels of violence despite activities by some Sunni insurgents, Al Qaeda in Iraq, and Shia extremist groups. The report complimented the Iraqi security forces on providing security during the March 7, 2010, elections. Despite some logistics and sustainment issues, DOD predicted that the Iraqi security forces would reach Minimum Essential Capability (MEC), the level needed for internal security, when U.S. forces left.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

I wish you could start citing facts and providing links as I do.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Did you start the morning with a joint or lots of Bloody Marys?

Your argument about keeping US combat troops in a combat role in Iraq after 2011 gets dumber by the hour.

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Iraqi foreign minister condemns deployment of additional US troops
Published February 12th, 2015 - 08:00 GMT via SyndiGate.info

Iraqis still don't want them or think they need them. They want what Obama has given them. Air cover and advisers.

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“The message that Iraq has submitted to the (United Nations) Security Council never included a request for ground forces to enter Iraqi territory to conduct such operations,” Ibrahim al-Jafaari told a press conference after meetings with Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop on Thursday.

The minister further said that Iraqi armed forces were making gains against the extremist militants on their own and were not in need of more troops.

“We have established a set of guidelines” for the US-led coalition, including air support for Iraqi forces as well as providing training and intelligence, Jaafari said, emphasizing that “no country has regular armies or ground troops present in Iraq except for providing training and counseling.”

Iraqi foreign minister condemns deployment of additional US troops Al Bawaba

Looks like Route Irish is safely under ISF control.

 

[Oldstyle]

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Dude, I just quoted two sources...the Congressional Research Service Report of July 2012 and the U.S. Overseas Loans and Grants, U.S. Bureau of Census (BUCEN) International Database

You provided no links nor excerpts. What is the type of aid and from what US Federal agency? Why must you hide the details?

Dude, seriously? You're STILL trying to say that the US didn't send send billions to the Iraqi government? You're STILL going with your claim that we sent them zero dollars in 2012? Your level of ignorance is epic!

 

[Oldstyle]

And then you try and use some strange Arabic site nobody has ever heard of as "proof" that the Iraqis don't want US help in defeating ISIS? You're pathetic...seriously pathetic!

Al Bawaba? Really? LOL

 

[Oldstyle]

What I stated was that all of Obama's military advisers told him he should keep a force of US combat forces in Iraq to stabilize things. They also told him that would call for a new Status of Forces agreement.

It's obvious to all but the most avid Barry supporters that Obama never pressed the Iraqis on a new Status of Forces agreement because he had no intention of keeping US combat forces in Iraq!

Want proof? He sent Joe Biden to negotiate that for him! It's obvious that Biden is a drooling idiot who couldn't "negotiate" something of that magnitude if his life depended on it. Sending Biden was sending a clear signal that Obama had no interest in any Status of Forces agreement.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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And then you try and use some strange Arabic site nobody has ever heard of as "proof" that the Iraqis don't want US help in defeating ISIS? You're pathetic...seriously pathetic! Al Bawaba? Really? LOL

First stop lyin'. Jafaarii did not say they didn't want US help.

Newsmax!! Eat your Crow!

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Foreign Minister: Iraq Has Not Asked for US Ground Forces
Wednesday, 11 Feb 2015 11:18 PM

Baghdad has not requested foreign ground forces to battle the Islamic State (ISIS), Iraqi Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jafaari said Thursday after President Barack Obama called for U.S. military operations that stop short of a full-scale invasion.

The president said Wednesday he would not flinch from sending US special forces to kill Islamic State group leaders, as he urged Congress for authority to take the fight to the extremists beyond their current footholds in Syria and Iraq if necessary.

In Sydney, the Iraqi minister said ground forces were not part of his government's plan.

"We have never asked for a ground forces contribution," he said through an interpreter after meetings with Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

"We have established a set of guidelines," for the international coalition, al-Jafaari told a press conference.

This was to provide air support for Iraqi forces, training and intelligence, he stressed.n

Foreign Minister Iraq Has Not Asked for US Ground Forces

Why would you force ground combat troops into Iraq when they still don't want them?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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You're STILL going with your claim that we sent them zero dollars in 2012?

My claim is that we sent zero dollars to support Iraq's army in 2002. That is true. I also claim that you provided no link and no quote to support your claim. And that is true.

 

[Oldstyle]

OS 10765732

And then you try and use some strange Arabic site nobody has ever heard of as "proof" that the Iraqis don't want US help in defeating ISIS? You're pathetic...seriously pathetic! Al Bawaba? Really? LOL

First stop lyin'. Jafaarii did not say they didn't want US help.

Newsmax!! Eat your Crow!

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Foreign Minister: Iraq Has Not Asked for US Ground Forces
Wednesday, 11 Feb 2015 11:18 PM

Baghdad has not requested foreign ground forces to battle the Islamic State (ISIS), Iraqi Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jafaari said Thursday after President Barack Obama called for U.S. military operations that stop short of a full-scale invasion.

The president said Wednesday he would not flinch from sending US special forces to kill Islamic State group leaders, as he urged Congress for authority to take the fight to the extremists beyond their current footholds in Syria and Iraq if necessary.

In Sydney, the Iraqi minister said ground forces were not part of his government's plan.

"We have never asked for a ground forces contribution," he said through an interpreter after meetings with Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop.

"We have established a set of guidelines," for the international coalition, al-Jafaari told a press conference.

This was to provide air support for Iraqi forces, training and intelligence, he stressed.n

Foreign Minister Iraq Has Not Asked for US Ground Forces

Why would you force ground combat troops into Iraq when they still don't want them?

Are there SOME Iraqis that don't want US combat troops in Iraq to defeat ISIS? Yes, there are! There are SOME Iraqis that want ISIS to take over the entire Middle East! That doesn't mean that Maliki wasn't begging for US help once ISIS started taking over huge parts of Iraq because that EXACTLY what he did!

 

[Oldstyle]

OS 10765714

You're STILL going with your claim that we sent them zero dollars in 2012?

My claim is that we sent zero dollars to support Iraq's army in 2002. That is true. I also claim that you provided no link and no quote to support your claim. And that is true.

Since when were we talking about how the American aid sent to Iraq was spent? My point was that we were sending huge amounts of aid to Iraq (to the tune of 1.6 billion plus!) and that because of that we had enormous influence. Barry chose not to use that influence to get a new Status of Forces agreement because Barry didn't want US combat troops in Iraq. Why? For political reasons! Even though his military advisers had cautioned him that a complete withdrawal of combat troops would leave a dangerous vacuum, Obama wanted to be able to claim that he had "ended" the war in Iraq. He owns the result.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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That doesn't mean that Maliki wasn't begging for US help once ISIS started taking over huge parts of Iraq because that EXACTLY what he did!

He was begging for air strikes but the beggar would not change the way he had been treating Sunnis. Obama told him correctly fix things with the Sunnis or leave. Maliki left.

Now you may want Maliki to walk all over Obama the way he walked all over Bush because you hate Sunnis but I'm glad to see Maliki gone.

Also quit talking about Daesh taking over "huge" parts of Iraq because they mostly absorbed themselves is Sunni areas commonly referred to as 1/3 of Iraq. But most of that land area within that 1/3' of land area was uncontested and unpopulated desert,

 

[Oldstyle]

OS 10766138

That doesn't mean that Maliki wasn't begging for US help once ISIS started taking over huge parts of Iraq because that EXACTLY what he did!

He was begging for air strikes but the beggar would not change the way he had been treating Sunnis. Obama told him correctly fix things with the Sunnis or leave. Maliki left.

Now you may want Maliki to walk all over Obama the way he walked all over Bush because you hate Sunnis but I'm glad to see Maliki gone.

Also quit talking about Daesh taking over "huge" parts of Iraq because they mostly absorbed themselves is Sunni areas commonly referred to as 1/3 of Iraq. But most of that land area within that 1/3' of land area was uncontested and unpopulated desert,

Bush in large part got what he wanted from Maliki...Obama didn't get ANYTHING that he wanted. That's obvious from the New York Times article about the negotiations that took place between the Obama Administration and Maliki. The difference between Bush and Obama is that the Bush Administration did the hard work to hammer out agreements...the Obama Administration tried, failed and then simply gave up and walked away from the problem. It's what Barry DOES when things get hard. He reverts back to his origins...votes "Present" and lets the issue be a problem for someone ELSE to fix!

Bottom line is this...whoever becomes our next President...be it a Democrat or a Republican...that person is going to have a litany of issues that Barack Obama has kicked down the road and not dealt with.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Jordan conducts 56 air raids against ISIS in 3 days: 'We will wipe them off the face of the Earth'

Jordan conducts 56 air raids against ISIS in 3 days We will wipe them off the face of the Earth - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Jordan: ISIS arms depots, hideouts destroyed in strikes

Jordan ISIS arms depots hideouts destroyed in strikes - Middle East - Israel News Haaretz

Republicans keep saying Obama weak for not sending young Americans to the middle east (to die for no apparent reason).

He was right to hold them back. Let those in the Middle East take care of the middle east.

And quit picking on their Religion. Timothy McVeigh was both a registered Republican and a Christian. The KKK are Christians. The Aryan Nation are Christians.

Just leave the middle east alone. We can deal with what ever happens.

T McVeigh was as much a Christian as Guno is LOL

 

[Oldstyle]

OS 10766138

That doesn't mean that Maliki wasn't begging for US help once ISIS started taking over huge parts of Iraq because that EXACTLY what he did!

He was begging for air strikes but the beggar would not change the way he had been treating Sunnis. Obama told him correctly fix things with the Sunnis or leave. Maliki left.

Now you may want Maliki to walk all over Obama the way he walked all over Bush because you hate Sunnis but I'm glad to see Maliki gone.

Also quit talking about Daesh taking over "huge" parts of Iraq because they mostly absorbed themselves is Sunni areas commonly referred to as 1/3 of Iraq. But most of that land area within that 1/3' of land area was uncontested and unpopulated desert,

Mosul is the second largest city in Iraq, you ignorant tool! ISIS also took over oil fields out in your "uncontested" desert that were providing them with millions of dollars a day in revenue. You don't have the faintest idea what it is you're babbling about...do you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

OS 10766138.

That doesn't mean that Maliki wasn't begging for US help once ISIS started taking over huge parts of Iraq because that EXACTLY what he did!

Maliki was asking for air strikes and advisers and weapons. That is true.but Obama put conditions on Maliki to reform his non-inclusive means of governing prior to getting US military assistance. Apparently you believe when Maliki says jump Obama was to say 'how high'. You may believe the corrupt and is the Commander in Chief of US Armed Forces and that Obama should be subordinate to a foreign leader, but not me.

Maliki is gone now and Iraq has all the foreign assistance it wants - Airstrikes -advisers- weapons deliveries that they pay for.

I realize you miss Maliki and his obstinate begging, but Iraq is better off now that he is gone and set for living to out a full natural life. Thats something 4484 US troops won't have after getting killed in part for Maliki to throw their sacrifice away.

 

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And we're having to do this NOW because Barry sat on his hands while ISIS moved across hundreds of miles of open desert with large groups of men and munitions to attack cities and strategic targets in Iraq. That has zero to do with being "subservient" to Maliki! It has everything however to do with the Obama doctrine of "Leading From Behind". What we face now...is what you get when you're leading from behind. You can't base your foreign policy on what you would LIKE the world to be...you have to base it on what the world really IS like.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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and we're having to do this NOW because Barry sat on his hands while ISIS moved across hundreds of miles of open desert with large groups of men and munitions to attack cities and strategic targets in Iraq.

Except that is not how it happened.

Here is how and why Mosul fell to DAIISH terrorist scum in pickup trucks but it was not across open desert and as if the Maliki govt knew it was coming, as you put out more false propaganda to try to make DAIISH into some fierce well organized army.

The Kurds offered to help defend Mosul but Maliki turned them down. You are a bigger fabricator than Curveball:

On June 6, hundreds of ISIS jihadists on pick-up trucks raced towards Mosul with the somewhat modest goal of seizing control of parts of the city for several hours, thus making a statement that the Baghdad government couldn't ignore.

Instead, the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) collapsed, ISIS pushed their advantage, and large swaths of northern Iraq fell under the group's control, according to a special report from Reuters by Ned Parker, Isabel Coles, and Raheem Salman.

As it turns out, one of the main reasons for the fall of Mosul was the Iraqi Security Forces' fatally poor logistics.

. Reuters: The first line of Mosul’s defence was the sixth brigade of the Third Iraqi army division. On paper, the brigade had 2,500 men. The reality was closer to 500. The brigade was also short of weapons and ammunition, according to one non-commissioned officer. Infantry, armor and tanks had been shifted to Anbar, where more than 6,000 soldiers had been killed and another 12,000 had deserted. It left Mosul with virtually no tanks and a shortage of artillery.

This shortage sharply undercut the manpower required to defend Mosul.

The city was meant to have approximately 25,000 soldiers and police defending it in total. In actuality, there was at most 10,000 security personnel in the city at the time of the attack.

And of these 10,000 personnel, many were under-equipped or deployed in a way that left the city badly exposed. One of the main entries into Mosul that ISIS attacked had only 40 men guarding it, according to the report.

Even when there enough personnel in place to put up resistance to the ISIS militants, the soldiers in Mosul found themselves outgunned.

"In my entire battalion we have one machine gun. In each pickup they had one," Dhiyab Ahmed al-Assi al-Obeidi, the colonel of the fourth battalion in Mosul, told Reuters.

Along with this logistical chaos, Reuters discovered that political failings played a decisive role in the fall of Mosul. On June 7, during the second day of the ISIS assault, Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani offered to send Peshmerga fighters to aid the ISF in Mosul. Maliki, suspicious of Kurdish intentions, twice declined the Kurds' assistance.

On June 10, Mosul fell to a force of slightly over 2,000 ISIS fighters as the final remnants of the ISF withdrew from the city, at times burning their uniforms in an attempt to blend in with the civilian population.

You can read the full Reuters report here»

Read more: How ISIS Managed To Take Mosul - Business Insider