Turns out Obama was right again. Must suck to be the failed GOP leadership.

[Dana7360]

Republicans sent our troops to Iraq in the hopes of procuring the Iraqi oil industry. How do we know? Because it was the only thing Republicans protected after the invasion. Not the Christians. Not the government buildings. Only oil fields.

So young Americans were shot at, killed and maimed. For that GOP leadership, the oil was worth the cost. But those days are over. Any Americans that go to the middle east will be shot at by everyone. They hate us for the Iraqi invasion. For drones. For setting the middle east on fire. For creating Isis by disbanding the Iraqi military (something even many Republicans call the worst mistake made). Only those living in the middle east can fix it. Not us. It never was our place to bring them the government right wingernuts imagine they should have. There were never any WMD's and the fact that the GOP base still believes that bullshit after Bush himself said they were never found only proves what idiots they are.

Obama understands this. This is why he refused to put "boots on the ground to be shot at and die" even after Republicans have been screaming he is no leader. What the fuck do these tards expect to happen if he does put boots on the ground????? They don't want us. They don't want our government. They know Republicans want their oil. How stupid the GOP is. What is it they can't seem to understand and why?

To be fair, the bush boy did have the military protect ONE Iraqi government building. The building that housed the Ministry of Oil. Our soldiers surrounded the building with their machines guns drawn and ready to kill anyone who even looked like they were going to loot or harm that building.

I think that the gop needs to talk to their own political leaders. Obama went to the congress this past week asking for ground troops against isis. The republican controlled House and Senate said NO very loudly and clearly. So Obama has to abide by their decision. It's called a separation of powers with checks and balances.

So if the right wingers on this board have a problem with the fact that there's no ground troops fighting isis they only have the republicans in congress to blame.

 

[Dot Com]

Jordan conducts 56 air raids against ISIS in 3 days: 'We will wipe them off the face of the Earth'

Jordan conducts 56 air raids against ISIS in 3 days We will wipe them off the face of the Earth - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Jordan: ISIS arms depots, hideouts destroyed in strikes

Jordan ISIS arms depots hideouts destroyed in strikes - Middle East - Israel News Haaretz

Republicans keep saying Obama weak for not sending young Americans to the middle east (to die for no apparent reason).

He was right to hold them back. Let those in the Middle East take care of the middle east.

And quit picking on their Religion. Timothy McVeigh was both a registered Republican and a Christian. The KKK are Christians. The Aryan Nation are Christians.

Just leave the middle east alone. We can deal with what ever happens.

Good point but the Repubs are tied at the hip to defense contractors so they have to manufacture optional wars (see-vietraq)

 

[westwall]

Jordan conducts 56 air raids against ISIS in 3 days: 'We will wipe them off the face of the Earth'

Jordan conducts 56 air raids against ISIS in 3 days We will wipe them off the face of the Earth - Middle East - Jerusalem Post

Jordan: ISIS arms depots, hideouts destroyed in strikes

Jordan ISIS arms depots hideouts destroyed in strikes - Middle East - Israel News Haaretz

Republicans keep saying Obama weak for not sending young Americans to the middle east (to die for no apparent reason).

He was right to hold them back. Let those in the Middle East take care of the middle east.

And quit picking on their Religion. Timothy McVeigh was both a registered Republican and a Christian. The KKK are Christians. The Aryan Nation are Christians.

Just leave the middle east alone. We can deal with what ever happens.

Ummmm. This is JORDAN. Not obama little fluffer.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

OS 10754564

Would you like to tell me what YOU think the US gave to Iraq in aid for 2012? I've told you what I believe the total was. If you're so convinced that I'm wrong then show me the total that is correct.

You made the claim, back it up. The number is zero until you find what was budgeted for Iraq and paid in 2012 and by what government agency.

Here is what I could find: see the red:

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Funding for the ISFF fluctuated between $3.0 billion and $5.7 billion between FY2004 and FY2008. In 2008, Congress became reluctant to pay for Iraqi security forces as Iraqi government revenues rose with the upswing in oil prices.154 After that, funding fell to about $1 billion annually to zero in FY2012, as Iraqis took over funding and operational responsibility and U.S. troops withdrew (Table 10).

In addition to requiring Iraq to share the burden of rebuilding Iraqi security forces in the FY2008 Supplemental (P.L. 110-252), Congress adopted other restrictions in funding “infrastructure” projects, including those to rebuild security forces in the FY2008 Supplemental, and required reports on the readiness and transfer of responsibility to Iraqi units, as well as the overall cost to train both Iraqi and Afghan security forces.

. Assessing Iraq Security Forces

Beginning in 2005, Congress required a report entitled “Measuring Stability and Security in Iraq” that assessed the training and development of the Iraqi security forces, including both the armed services, the police, and other paramilitary forces that together reportedly total 666,500.158 In late November 2014, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi reported that Iraqi security forces paid salaries to 50,000 “ghost” soldiers not in military service.

In its June 2010 report, the last report issued as U.S. troops were transitioning to advising and assisting Iraqi forces, the security environment was characterized as stable but “fragile,” with declining levels of violence despite activities by some Sunni insurgents, Al Qaeda in Iraq, and Shia extremist groups. The report complimented the Iraqi security forces on providing security during the March 7, 2010, elections. Despite some logistics and sustainment issues, DOD predicted that the Iraqi security forces would reach Minimum Essential Capability (MEC), the level needed for internal security, when U.S. forces left.

Overall, the report concluded:

In spite of progress this period, challenges remain. Violent extremist networks, while significantly degraded, are still able to execute attacks. Tensions will remain high until the government is seated. Iraq remains fragile, primarily because many underlying sources of political instability have yet to be resolved.161

In a November 2011 hearing, when it was clear that all U.S. forces would withdraw from Iraq by the end of December 2011 because a Bilateral Security Agreement with the Iraqi government that would exempt U.S. forces from Iraqi law could not be reached, then-Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta remained confident of the abilities of Iraqi security forces stating that

While these groups remain capable of conducting these types [high-profile] of attacks, they do not enjoy widespread support among the Iraqi population, and more importantly, the Iraqis have developed some of the most capable counterterrorism forces in the region.162

Iraqi officials and Iraqi public opinion (particularly Sunnis) were not optimistic about the Iraqi Security Forces’ capabilities and legitimacies, as reported in an extensive after-action RAND report commissioned by DOD.163

After U.S. troops left, the United States continued its security relationship through arms sales administered by the Office of Security Cooperation–Iraq and the State Department, which took over police training.164 In the spring of 2013, the Chief of the Office of Security Cooperation, General Robert Caslen, voiced confidence about the capabilities of the Iraqi Navy, Air Force, and Counter-Terrorism Service, though with some concerns about Iraqi Army units stationed in cities where they competed with provincial governments and the Iraqi police.165

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

I realize you prefer to believe things you here in the RW entertainment media Oldstyle - not research facts, but your belief system is looking quite weak at this point.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Would you like to tell me what YOU think the US gave to Iraq in aid for 2012?

I've got a 'zero' - what do you have?

.
Funding for the ISFF fluctuated between $3.0 billion and $5.7 billion between FY2004 and FY2008. In 2008,Congress became reluctant to pay for Iraqi security forces as Iraqi government revenues rose with the upswing in oil prices.154 After that, funding fell to about $1 billion annually to zero in FY2012, as Iraqis took over funding and operational responsibility and U.S. troops withdrew (Table 10).

See my previous quote for more facts about Iraq.

 

[Oldstyle]

Let's see...the Huffington Post is listing the amount as 1.683 billion given to Iraq...they're pulling that number from the Congressional Research Service Report of July 2012.

So YOU think we gave "zero" to Iraq and I said we gave a little more than 1.6 billion to Iraq. Hmmm...which of those two numbers is backed up by the CRS report? Doh!

 

[Oldstyle]

Now Wikipedia lists the amount given to Iraq in 2012 as 1.94 billion and gives the U.S. Overseas Loans and Grants, U.S. Bureau of Census (BUCEN) International Database as it's source.

Gee which is closer to 1.94 billion...zero or 1.6 billion? Double Doh!!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

OS 10759923

Let's see...the Huffington Post is listing the amount as 1.683 billion given to Iraq...they're pulling that number from the Congressional Research Service Report of July 2012.

So YOU think we gave "zero" to Iraq and I said we gave a little more than 1.6 billion to Iraq. Hmmm...which of those two numbers is backed up by the CRS report? Doh!

OS 10759938

Now Wikipedia lists the amount given to Iraq in 2012 as 1.94 billion and gives the U.S. Overseas Loans and Grants, U.S. Bureau of Census (BUCEN) International Database as it's source.

Gee which is closer to 1.94 billion...zero or 1.6 billion? Double Doh!!

You can post emoticons but no link and no cite to what was given and by what Federal agency?

This is what you need to do.


"Funding for the ISFF fluctuated between $3.0 billion and $5.7 billion between FY2004 and FY2008. In 2008,Congress became reluctant to pay for Iraqi security forces as Iraqi government revenues rose with the upswing in oil prices.154 After that, funding fell to about $1 billion annually to zero in FY2012, as Iraqis took over funding and operational responsibility and U.S. troops withdrew (Table 10)."

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

What was your 1,7 bn for? Feeding starving refugees? As an example?
Did it have anything to do with security. Payments to Iraq at all. Something Maliki and Sadr and Sistani could live without? Did it go to Sunnis or Kurds.

What was it for?


We stopped paying for Iraqi security forces in 2012. Remember what your claim was. Obama could threaten to cut off money to in essence buy or scare Enough Iraqi politicians to make them vote to grant our troops immunity.

Iraq was flush with cash in 2011 and buying up F16's and Abrams tanks probably to be used against the Sunnis according to the way Maliki was governing Iraq.

But that was Iraqi cash flowing to the US in billions of dollars.- Too much pressure on immunity and that Contract for Abrams Tanks gets canceled - cutting US jobs in Lima Ohio and many other locations.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

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Pentagon proposes $2.7 bn in Iraqarms sales | GlobalPost
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The Pentagon has notified the US Congress of $2.7 billion in possible new sales to Iraq of air defense ...

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The Pentagon has notified the US Congress of $2.7 billion in possible new sales to Iraq of air defense and communications systems.

The latest contracts would raise to nearly $5 billion the value of a series of US arms sales to Iraq that have been sent to Congress over the past two weeks.

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US Arnd sakes surely outpace what ever US aid goes to a iraq.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:

"I did that" -- Obummer

 

[rdean]

CF 10755407

Had Bush and Condi Rice known that Obama would be a Jihadist Supporter they would have locked up Iraq on a longterm agreement instead of giving their successor the ability to negotiate their own deal

How is Obama to be considered to be a Jihadist support when he is currently leading a coalition that has killed 8000 Daesh Jihadists in the past few months?

Condi and Dubya knew what Maliki was doing in 2008 that he could not be trusted to deal fairly with the Sunnis. Bush and Condi started SOFA negotiations with the intent to keep five bases in Iraq. But they both got their asses handed to them by Maliki and Sadr so they had to settle in the final minutes of the negotiating to a short term deal dictated by the Iraqi side. They barely got what they got.

Shhhh, don't muddy the water with facts. Republicans hate that.

 

[rdean]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:

"I did that" -- Obummer

It's truly sickening when you guys hold up the picture with the purple finger. Look at the woman. She is wearing a fucking Burka. Under Saddam, Iraqi women dressed in western style clothes. When the Bush administration introduced Sharia law back into Iraq written into the "new" Iraq constitution, women lost all rights. You can bet she is voting for who her husband tells her to vote for. How can you people be so ignorant even when you are staring at the obvious? Fucking "LEARN" something.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq - CNN.com

But although the women of Iraq have obtained some benefits on paper, the reality is that they have lost far more than they have gained since the war began in 2003.

It has been just over 20 years since I left Iraq. Today, female college students ask me if it is true that the streets of Baghdad were once full of women driving, that women could walk around in public at all times of the day without worry, that university campuses were once filled with women who did not wearing headscarves.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

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It's depressing, the determined ignorance of these nasty right wingers. They refuse to learn and don't know jack shit about anything.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

CF 10756623

He's only killed the Jihadists who refuse to recognize him and Val Jarrett as their leaders

How does a Hellfire missile distinguish between a Jihadist that recognizes Obama and one that does not. How do you distinguish that yourself Frank?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:

"I did that" -- Obummer

It's truly sickening when you guys hold up the picture with the purple finger. Look at the woman. She is wearing a fucking Burka. Under Saddam, Iraqi women dressed in western style clothes. When the Bush administration introduced Sharia law back into Iraq written into the "new" Iraq constitution, women lost all rights. You can bet she is voting for who her husband tells her to vote for. How can you people be so ignorant even when you are staring at the obvious? Fucking "LEARN" something.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq - CNN.com

But although the women of Iraq have obtained some benefits on paper, the reality is that they have lost far more than they have gained since the war began in 2003.

It has been just over 20 years since I left Iraq. Today, female college students ask me if it is true that the streets of Baghdad were once full of women driving, that women could walk around in public at all times of the day without worry, that university campuses were once filled with women who did not wearing headscarves.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

-------------------------------------

It's depressing, the determined ignorance of these nasty right wingers. They refuse to learn and don't know jack shit about anything.

She looks happy.

Sorry your Uncle Saddam came to such a bad end

Progressives must only recognize and respond to human misery

 

[Oldstyle]

OS 10759923

Let's see...the Huffington Post is listing the amount as 1.683 billion given to Iraq...they're pulling that number from the Congressional Research Service Report of July 2012.

So YOU think we gave "zero" to Iraq and I said we gave a little more than 1.6 billion to Iraq. Hmmm...which of those two numbers is backed up by the CRS report? Doh!

OS 10759938

Now Wikipedia lists the amount given to Iraq in 2012 as 1.94 billion and gives the U.S. Overseas Loans and Grants, U.S. Bureau of Census (BUCEN) International Database as it's source.

Gee which is closer to 1.94 billion...zero or 1.6 billion? Double Doh!!

You can post emoticons but no link and no cite to what was given and by what Federal agency?

This is what you need to do.


"Funding for the ISFF fluctuated between $3.0 billion and $5.7 billion between FY2004 and FY2008. In 2008,Congress became reluctant to pay for Iraqi security forces as Iraqi government revenues rose with the upswing in oil prices.154 After that, funding fell to about $1 billion annually to zero in FY2012, as Iraqis took over funding and operational responsibility and U.S. troops withdrew (Table 10)."

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

What was your 1,7 bn for? Feeding starving refugees? As an example?
Did it have anything to do with security. Payments to Iraq at all. Something Maliki and Sadr and Sistani could live without? Did it go to Sunnis or Kurds.

What was it for?


We stopped paying for Iraqi security forces in 2012. Remember what your claim was. Obama could threaten to cut off money to in essence buy or scare Enough Iraqi politicians to make them vote to grant our troops immunity.

Iraq was flush with cash in 2011 and buying up F16's and Abrams tanks probably to be used against the Sunnis according to the way Maliki was governing Iraq.

But that was Iraqi cash flowing to the US in billions of dollars.- Too much pressure on immunity and that Contract for Abrams Tanks gets canceled - cutting US jobs in Lima Ohio and many other locations.

Dude, I just quoted two sources...the Congressional Research Service Report of July 2012 and the U.S. Overseas Loans and Grants, U.S. Bureau of Census (BUCEN) International Database. One gave a figure of a little over 1.6 billion dollars in US aid that went to Iraq in 2012 and the other gave a figure of a little more than 1.9 billion dollars in US aid going to Iraq in 2012.

My "claim" was that Barack Obama could have used the massive amounts of US aid that Iraq was receiving to pressure Maliki to sign a new Status of Forces Agreement if that was what Obama REALLY wanted! What the New York Times article pointed out was that Iraqi leaders were extremely reluctant to agree to something that would be viewed negatively by many Iraqis because they felt that Obama was going to pull US troops out anyways. Why take that political risk when it was going to gain you little? The fact is...Barack Obama used the expiring Status of Forces Agreement as an excuse to do what he wanted to do...withdraw American combat forces...and he did so against the advise of his military advisers. What followed is HIS responsibility!

 

[Oldstyle]

.
Pentagon proposes $2.7 bn in Iraqarms sales | GlobalPost
.GLOBAL - The global generic Top-Level-Domainpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130806/pentagon...
The Pentagon has notified the US Congress of $2.7 billion in possible new sales to Iraq of air defense ...

More:

.

(GlobalPost/GlobalPost)
The Pentagon has notified the US Congress of $2.7 billion in possible new sales to Iraq of air defense and communications systems.

The latest contracts would raise to nearly $5 billion the value of a series of US arms sales to Iraq that have been sent to Congress over the past two weeks.

.


US Arnd sakes surely outpace what ever US aid goes to a iraq.

Did you start the morning with a joint or lots of Bloody Marys?

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

Truth is often funny, especially when telling the truth about the obomanation!

More cartoons. I can photoshop, too.

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:

"I did that" -- Obummer

It's truly sickening when you guys hold up the picture with the purple finger. Look at the woman. She is wearing a fucking Burka. Under Saddam, Iraqi women dressed in western style clothes. When the Bush administration introduced Sharia law back into Iraq written into the "new" Iraq constitution, women lost all rights. You can bet she is voting for who her husband tells her to vote for. How can you people be so ignorant even when you are staring at the obvious? Fucking "LEARN" something.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq - CNN.com

But although the women of Iraq have obtained some benefits on paper, the reality is that they have lost far more than they have gained since the war began in 2003.

It has been just over 20 years since I left Iraq. Today, female college students ask me if it is true that the streets of Baghdad were once full of women driving, that women could walk around in public at all times of the day without worry, that university campuses were once filled with women who did not wearing headscarves.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

-------------------------------------

It's depressing, the determined ignorance of these nasty right wingers. They refuse to learn and don't know jack shit about anything.

And if you check out the thread on clown avatars, you will also find they can't answer simple questions.

 

[Oldstyle]

The clown avatars? They remind me of the old lawyer adage: If the facts support your case...pound the facts! If the facts don't...pound the table!

In this case it's if you have an intelligent point to make...you make it! If you don't you paint clown faces on avatars!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In summary:

Obama inherited an Iraq like this. And in his desperation to take a selfie declaring victory and turning the Middle East to his brothers in Jihad, turned it into this:

"I did that" -- Obummer

It's truly sickening when you guys hold up the picture with the purple finger. Look at the woman. She is wearing a fucking Burka. Under Saddam, Iraqi women dressed in western style clothes. When the Bush administration introduced Sharia law back into Iraq written into the "new" Iraq constitution, women lost all rights. You can bet she is voting for who her husband tells her to vote for. How can you people be so ignorant even when you are staring at the obvious? Fucking "LEARN" something.

Why women are less free 10 years after the invasion of Iraq - CNN.com

But although the women of Iraq have obtained some benefits on paper, the reality is that they have lost far more than they have gained since the war began in 2003.

It has been just over 20 years since I left Iraq. Today, female college students ask me if it is true that the streets of Baghdad were once full of women driving, that women could walk around in public at all times of the day without worry, that university campuses were once filled with women who did not wearing headscarves.

Full Text of Iraqi Constitution

Article 2:

First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:

A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.

-------------------------------------

It's depressing, the determined ignorance of these nasty right wingers. They refuse to learn and don't know jack shit about anything.

Dean, look at all the Happy Progressives about to (maybe) receive their government approved bread!