Turning Up The Heat On America

[Moonglow]

Is the word exploitation of humans by govt. what you were looking for, or that capitalism and corporations evaluate your value to drive their economies?

What you believe to be a government IS a corporation. US Code 3002 Tittle 28....scroll down to #15

28 U.S. Code § 3002 - Definitions

Definitions of legal standing for a purpose of position in jurisprudence....and you try to stretch it to include the determination of your worth as a corporation (your idea) by using said person's birth certificate for a T-bond to be issued when you are born and cashed in when you die....

That wasn't the point that I was making with that post. That is a separate issue. I was proving that your "gubermint" is actually a corporate entity.

In terms of jurisprudence, yes...

I honestly thought that you would be one of the posters here that would understand the significance of this, but obviously it's too far over your head.

The US govt does operate in some ways as a corporation, they do invest monies....

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...a gay couple were denied floral arrangements for their wedding by Ms. Stutzman's business. She had been servicing the couple for several years, and would have provided them the flowers, but based on her religious belief was unable to participate in beautifying the wedding."
"Arlene's Flowers in Richland sued by gay couple".
Why did she ever provide services if she knew they were ghey? Jesus never said a word condemning homersexuality...In fact he said that as followers of Christ you were not suppose to hate the gheys either....Love is the commandment of Jesus, not hate....

You seem to have left out this part of the post...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


Is it the United States Constitution that you oppose?

You may exercise your religion, but no right has the right to infringe on another's right.....It's perplexing but if you run a business, how do you know if one is ghey?
Again, the religion of Christianity as Jesus taught is not the same church that a guy named Paul set up a hundred or more years after Christ died..Christ, never said anything about gheys like Paul did....So you should not be a Christian but a Paulian...

Your interpretation of offering to sell flowers is that the seller must participate in the way the flowers are used?

Sounds more like slavery than freedom.....

 

[Moonglow]

"...a gay couple were denied floral arrangements for their wedding by Ms. Stutzman's business. She had been servicing the couple for several years, and would have provided them the flowers, but based on her religious belief was unable to participate in beautifying the wedding."
"Arlene's Flowers in Richland sued by gay couple".
Why did she ever provide services if she knew they were ghey? Jesus never said a word condemning homersexuality...In fact he said that as followers of Christ you were not suppose to hate the gheys either....Love is the commandment of Jesus, not hate....

You seem to have left out this part of the post...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


Is it the United States Constitution that you oppose?

You may exercise your religion, but no right has the right to infringe on another's right.....It's perplexing but if you run a business, how do you know if one is ghey?
Again, the religion of Christianity as Jesus taught is not the same church that a guy named Paul set up a hundred or more years after Christ died..Christ, never said anything about gheys like Paul did....So you should not be a Christian but a Paulian...

Your interpretation of offering to sell flowers is that the seller must participate in the way the flowers are used?

Sounds more like slavery than freedom.....

Were the flowers offensive or the arraignment? Did the Christian find something in the Bible that said she should stone gheys also, but yet did nothing?

 

[Dale Smith]

What you believe to be a government IS a corporation. US Code 3002 Tittle 28....scroll down to #15

28 U.S. Code § 3002 - Definitions

Definitions of legal standing for a purpose of position in jurisprudence....and you try to stretch it to include the determination of your worth as a corporation (your idea) by using said person's birth certificate for a T-bond to be issued when you are born and cashed in when you die....

That wasn't the point that I was making with that post. That is a separate issue. I was proving that your "gubermint" is actually a corporate entity.

In terms of jurisprudence, yes...

I honestly thought that you would be one of the posters here that would understand the significance of this, but obviously it's too far over your head.

The US govt does operate in some ways as a corporation, they do invest monies....

Well, at least you understand that tiny little part of it which puts you ahead of 95% of the other sheeple.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"...a gay couple were denied floral arrangements for their wedding by Ms. Stutzman's business. She had been servicing the couple for several years, and would have provided them the flowers, but based on her religious belief was unable to participate in beautifying the wedding."
"Arlene's Flowers in Richland sued by gay couple".
Why did she ever provide services if she knew they were ghey? Jesus never said a word condemning homersexuality...In fact he said that as followers of Christ you were not suppose to hate the gheys either....Love is the commandment of Jesus, not hate....

You seem to have left out this part of the post...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


Is it the United States Constitution that you oppose?

You may exercise your religion, but no right has the right to infringe on another's right.....It's perplexing but if you run a business, how do you know if one is ghey?
Again, the religion of Christianity as Jesus taught is not the same church that a guy named Paul set up a hundred or more years after Christ died..Christ, never said anything about gheys like Paul did....So you should not be a Christian but a Paulian...

Your interpretation of offering to sell flowers is that the seller must participate in the way the flowers are used?

Sounds more like slavery than freedom.....

Were the flowers offensive or the arraignment? Did the Christian find something in the Bible that said she should stone gheys also, but yet did nothing?

Going to the celebration and arranging the flowers involves a participation that the seller found abhorrent to her conscience.

And, of course, this conforms to

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

 

[PoliticalChic]

The precis of this thread is that Liberal fascism has eviscerated the constitutional birthrights of Americans.

The property rights and the freedom of religion are of a higher order than whether or not an individual's feelings are wounded.
Usually, that isn't fatal.


Now about that poor old lady's flower shop......the one virtually taken over by the political correct storm troopers......




4. Well.....we've heard of "compassionate conservatism," but no one mentions the 'uncompassionate fascism" of Liberalism.



" All the while, it claims it is acting in the best interest of society, acting on behalf of all those poor same-sex couples who can’t get flowers for their ceremonies—except that they can.

(Lots of places.)

They can even get flowers from Barronelle for anything other than a wedding. In spite of the lawsuits that happened after her refusal to sell the flowers, she says she still thinks of her former customer as a friend and would happily sell him flowers if he walked into her shop tomorrow. Meanwhile, both her former customer and the State of Washington are trying to take everything she has for not bowing at the altar of sexual sin.

...radicals want to look like they care as they force their views on others. It’s what bullies do. That way other people think better of them and they sleep better at night, assuaging any guilt they may feel for giving nightmares to genteel grandmothers. The progressives’ compassionate bullying" is the sort of capitalism enforced under the Nazi regime."
The 'Compassionate' Bullying of the Left




Although we find important constitutional safeguard for property in the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause, which states that “private property [shall not] be taken for public use, without just compensation.....

...in the above example we've seen the end of property rights in America....


Very much like the 'property rights' in Nazi Germany.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now that it has been proven that Liberal government dispenses with property rights...... how about the response of that not-so-compassionate fascism of the Liberals to the freedom of speech?




5. Liberals in power makes certain that the freedoms endorsed by the First Amendment are obviated via regulations, fines, and taxes that make said freedoms too expensive for Americans.

From destroying the businesses and livelihoods of any who don't toe the Liberal line.....$135,000 fine and a gag order for the trivial offense of not baking a cake.....



“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion orfreedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interviewwith Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio



"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled thatthe Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This isa brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul


a. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effectivegag orderon the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publiclyabout not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


b. Gag order on Governor Scott Walker's supporters: " The investigation is taking place under Wisconsin's John Doe law, which bars a subpoena's targets from disclosing its contents to anyone but his attorneys. John Doe probes work much like a grand jury, allowing prosecutors to issue subpoenas and conduct searches, while the gag orders leave the targets facing the resources of the state with no way to publicly defend themselves."
Review Outlook Wisconsin Political Speech Raid - WSJ


Home of the free????

 

[PoliticalChic]

First, there was this... Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Now....this America has succumbed to this:



6.Gag Orders on clergy: . " Churches and other nonprofits are strictly prohibited from engaging in political campaigning. This prohibition stems from the requirements of Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code (“Code”).


Cannot make any communication—either from the pulpit, in a newsletter, or church bulletin—which expressly advocates for the election or defeat of a candidate for public office.

I believe that this abomination took place under LBJ......the Democrat who blocked every civil rights bill until 1964.



7.Obama's Supreme Court Justice Kagan believes in banning free speech:In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Kagan argued it maybe proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."

A Supreme Court Justice who doesn't support the Constitution....America under Liberal Fascism.



8. Gag orders: unconstitutional
http://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2165&context=faculty_scholarship

Orders prohibiting participants in a case from commenting to reporters or the publical so infringe on the First Amendment rights of the individuals gagged.At least one court has ruled gag orders on trial participants are as serious as those on the press and subject to the same strict test for constitutionality.
Introduction -- What to do if a court issues a gag order Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press



9. Obama Gag Order on any discussion of guns online:The proposal would institute a massive new prior restraint on free speech.This is because all such releases would require the ‘authorization’ of the government before they occurred. The cumbersome and time-consuming process of obtaining such authorizations, moreover, would make online communication about certain technical aspects of firearms and ammunition essentially impossible.
Obama To Circumvent Congress With Gag Order On Firearm Coverage


And....led by a Liberal Fascist.

 

[Jack4jill]

1. America.... land of the free, home of the brave.....sort of....well, once was.


You see, just like that apocryphal recipe for boiling a frog.....start with luke warm water and slowly raise the temperature....so it won't know it is being boiled.....
...in America....the same recipe:

We started out honoring freedoms such as speech and private property....and now creeping Fascism, under the auspices of Liberals and Progressives, has slowly turned up the heat to boiling.




2. A lesson from the past about the loss of property rights.....

".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

.... private ownership of the means of production existedin name onlyunder the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it wasthe German governmentand not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. "
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


a. "Fascism may be so gradual in the United States that most voters will not be aware of its existence. The true Fascist leaders will not be present imitators of German Fuhrer and Italian condottieri, prancing in silver shirts. They will be judicious, black-frocked gentlemen; graduates of the best universities; disciples of Nicholas Murray Butler and WalterLippmann." http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-facism/page/7/0

And so it came to pass.


3. .... it is today, in America, where private ownership, and freedom of speech, and even of thought and conscience, is a misnomer.

And....yes....I'll show that to be the case.

Obama just called and told me exactly what my company must manufacture today.

Oh wait, my bad, he never has.

/thread.

 

[Moonglow]

"...a gay couple were denied floral arrangements for their wedding by Ms. Stutzman's business. She had been servicing the couple for several years, and would have provided them the flowers, but based on her religious belief was unable to participate in beautifying the wedding."
"Arlene's Flowers in Richland sued by gay couple".
Why did she ever provide services if she knew they were ghey? Jesus never said a word condemning homersexuality...In fact he said that as followers of Christ you were not suppose to hate the gheys either....Love is the commandment of Jesus, not hate....

You seem to have left out this part of the post...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


Is it the United States Constitution that you oppose?

You may exercise your religion, but no right has the right to infringe on another's right.....It's perplexing but if you run a business, how do you know if one is ghey?
Again, the religion of Christianity as Jesus taught is not the same church that a guy named Paul set up a hundred or more years after Christ died..Christ, never said anything about gheys like Paul did....So you should not be a Christian but a Paulian...

Your interpretation of offering to sell flowers is that the seller must participate in the way the flowers are used?

Sounds more like slavery than freedom.....

Were the flowers offensive or the arraignment? Did the Christian find something in the Bible that said she should stone gheys also, but yet did nothing?

Going to the celebration and arranging the flowers involves a participation that the seller found abhorrent to her conscience.

And, of course, this conforms to

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

Yet those that use pot in their religious ceremonies are arrested...

 

[Jack4jill]

Now that it has been proven that Liberal government dispenses with property rights...... how about the response of that not-so-compassionate fascism of the Liberals to the freedom of speech?




5. Liberals in power makes certain that the freedoms endorsed by the First Amendment are obviated via regulations, fines, and taxes that make said freedoms too expensive for Americans.

From destroying the businesses and livelihoods of any who don't toe the Liberal line.....$135,000 fine and a gag order for the trivial offense of not baking a cake.....



“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion orfreedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interviewwith Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio



"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled thatthe Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This isa brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul


a. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effectivegag orderon the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publiclyabout not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


b. Gag order on Governor Scott Walker's supporters: " The investigation is taking place under Wisconsin's John Doe law, which bars a subpoena's targets from disclosing its contents to anyone but his attorneys. John Doe probes work much like a grand jury, allowing prosecutors to issue subpoenas and conduct searches, while the gag orders leave the targets facing the resources of the state with no way to publicly defend themselves."
Review Outlook Wisconsin Political Speech Raid - WSJ


Home of the free????

You are free to lie, and do so daily here. How much more freedom do you need because anarchy does exist, just not here.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. America.... land of the free, home of the brave.....sort of....well, once was.


You see, just like that apocryphal recipe for boiling a frog.....start with luke warm water and slowly raise the temperature....so it won't know it is being boiled.....
...in America....the same recipe:

We started out honoring freedoms such as speech and private property....and now creeping Fascism, under the auspices of Liberals and Progressives, has slowly turned up the heat to boiling.




2. A lesson from the past about the loss of property rights.....

".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

.... private ownership of the means of production existedin name onlyunder the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it wasthe German governmentand not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. "
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


a. "Fascism may be so gradual in the United States that most voters will not be aware of its existence. The true Fascist leaders will not be present imitators of German Fuhrer and Italian condottieri, prancing in silver shirts. They will be judicious, black-frocked gentlemen; graduates of the best universities; disciples of Nicholas Murray Butler and WalterLippmann." http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-facism/page/7/0

And so it came to pass.


3. .... it is today, in America, where private ownership, and freedom of speech, and even of thought and conscience, is a misnomer.

And....yes....I'll show that to be the case.

Obama just called and told me exactly what my company must manufacture today.

Oh wait, my bad, he never has.

/thread.

But your 'company' involves sitting on the grass in a vacant lot selling lemonade.

Quite different for real companies...

1. " If you’re a business leader or conservative economist who worries that the federal government is strangling the economy in red tape, 2012 was a banner year.... The federal government imposed an estimated $216 billion in regulatory costs on the economy last year, nearly double its previous record,..."Report: New regulations cost $216B and 87 million hours of paperwork. What do they reap?

2. ".... the treacherous alphabet soup of the DOB, DOH, LPC and FDNY — plus community boards that hold great sway over the State Liquor Authority’s decisions whether to grant liquor licenses..... said his company, which employs 1,200 people in New York, up from 400 in 2006, has spent “hundreds of thousands of dollars” on expediters and consultants to help his restaurants and clubs avoid problems with city agencies.

Walker Malloy broker Rafe Evans, who handles many Upper West Side ...calls the situation “clear and ominous proof that the increasingly business-unfriendly environment in the city is reaching a breaking point.”
City restaurants struggle to navigate pesky rules | New York Post

3. Regulation: A Hidden Tax

Those costs fully convey the federal government’s on-budget scope, and they are sobering enough. Yet the government’s reach extends well beyond the taxes that Washington collects and the deficit spending and borrowing now surging. Federal environmental, safety and health, and economic regulations cost hundreds of billions—perhaps trillions—of dollars every year over and above the costs of the official federal outlays that now dominate the policy debate.

Economics 101 explains how and why firms generally pass along to consumers the costs of some taxes. Likewise, some regulatory
http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Wayne Crews - 10,000 Commandments 2011.pdf

4. "The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards. Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business.

Mr. Obama can claim he is the progressive second coming of Teddy Roosevelt as he did in Kansas last week, or he can claim to be a regulatory minimalist, but not both. The facts show he's the former."
Regulation for Dummies


Is it one of those cosmic coincidences that the 25 cents you charge for your lemonade is the very same score you got on the IQ test?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."

.

Jesus, what kind of nut would NOT think that speech rights need to be balanced against societal costs?

 

[Jack4jill]

1. America.... land of the free, home of the brave.....sort of....well, once was.


You see, just like that apocryphal recipe for boiling a frog.....start with luke warm water and slowly raise the temperature....so it won't know it is being boiled.....
...in America....the same recipe:

We started out honoring freedoms such as speech and private property....and now creeping Fascism, under the auspices of Liberals and Progressives, has slowly turned up the heat to boiling.




2. A lesson from the past about the loss of property rights.....

".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.

.... private ownership of the means of production existedin name onlyunder the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it wasthe German governmentand not the nominal private owners that exercised all of thesubstantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. "
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian


a. "Fascism may be so gradual in the United States that most voters will not be aware of its existence. The true Fascist leaders will not be present imitators of German Fuhrer and Italian condottieri, prancing in silver shirts. They will be judicious, black-frocked gentlemen; graduates of the best universities; disciples of Nicholas Murray Butler and WalterLippmann." http://www.nationalreview.com/liberal-facism/page/7/0

And so it came to pass.


3. .... it is today, in America, where private ownership, and freedom of speech, and even of thought and conscience, is a misnomer.

And....yes....I'll show that to be the case.

Obama just called and told me exactly what my company must manufacture today.

Oh wait, my bad, he never has.

/thread.

But your 'company' involves sitting on the grass in a vacant lot selling lemonade.

Quite different for real companies...

1. " If you’re a business leader or conservative economist who worries that the federal government is strangling the economy in red tape, 2012 was a banner year.... The federal government imposed an estimated $216 billion in regulatory costs on the economy last year, nearly double its previous record,..."Report: New regulations cost $216B and 87 million hours of paperwork. What do they reap?

2. ".... the treacherous alphabet soup of the DOB, DOH, LPC and FDNY — plus community boards that hold great sway over the State Liquor Authority’s decisions whether to grant liquor licenses..... said his company, which employs 1,200 people in New York, up from 400 in 2006, has spent “hundreds of thousands of dollars” on expediters and consultants to help his restaurants and clubs avoid problems with city agencies.

Walker Malloy broker Rafe Evans, who handles many Upper West Side ...calls the situation “clear and ominous proof that the increasingly business-unfriendly environment in the city is reaching a breaking point.”
City restaurants struggle to navigate pesky rules | New York Post

3. Regulation: A Hidden Tax

Those costs fully convey the federal government’s on-budget scope, and they are sobering enough. Yet the government’s reach extends well beyond the taxes that Washington collects and the deficit spending and borrowing now surging. Federal environmental, safety and health, and economic regulations cost hundreds of billions—perhaps trillions—of dollars every year over and above the costs of the official federal outlays that now dominate the policy debate.

Economics 101 explains how and why firms generally pass along to consumers the costs of some taxes. Likewise, some regulatory
http://cei.org/sites/default/files/Wayne Crews - 10,000 Commandments 2011.pdf

4. "The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama regulatory surge is one reason the current economic recovery has been so lackluster by historical standards. Rather than nurture an economy trying to rebuild confidence after a financial heart attack, the Administration pushed through its now-famous blitz of liberal policies on health care, financial services, energy, housing, education and student loans, telecom, labor relations, transportation and probably some other industries we've forgotten. Anyone who thinks this has only minimal impact on business has never been in business.

Mr. Obama can claim he is the progressive second coming of Teddy Roosevelt as he did in Kansas last week, or he can claim to be a regulatory minimalist, but not both. The facts show he's the former."
Regulation for Dummies


Is it one of those cosmic coincidences that the 25 cents you charge for your lemonade is the very same score you got on the IQ test?

Poor American businesses (or not).

 

[Jack4jill]

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."

.

Jesus, what kind of nut would NOT think that speech rights need to be balanced against societal costs?

What do you think libel and slander are?

Besides the OP's chosen profession.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You seem to have left out this part of the post...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....


Is it the United States Constitution that you oppose?

You may exercise your religion, but no right has the right to infringe on another's right.....It's perplexing but if you run a business, how do you know if one is ghey?
Again, the religion of Christianity as Jesus taught is not the same church that a guy named Paul set up a hundred or more years after Christ died..Christ, never said anything about gheys like Paul did....So you should not be a Christian but a Paulian...

Your interpretation of offering to sell flowers is that the seller must participate in the way the flowers are used?

Sounds more like slavery than freedom.....

Were the flowers offensive or the arraignment? Did the Christian find something in the Bible that said she should stone gheys also, but yet did nothing?

Going to the celebration and arranging the flowers involves a participation that the seller found abhorrent to her conscience.

And, of course, this conforms to

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

Yet those that use pot in their religious ceremonies are arrested...

Remember the last time you were correct about anything????

Me neither.


"The American Indian Religious Freedom Act, Public Law No. 95-341, 92 Stat. 469 (Aug. 11, 1978) (commonly abbreviated to AIRFA), codified at 42 U.S.C. § 1996, is a United States federal law, enacted by joint resolution of the Congress in 1978. Native American Religions were up to this point prohibited by law.[1]

It was enacted to return basic civil liberties, and to protect and preserve the traditional religious rights and cultural practices of American Indians, Eskimos,Aleuts, and Native Hawaiians.
...or peyote, a ritual drug and restricted substance. The conflict lies in the fact that items such as peyoteare integral parts of ceremonies practiced by members of churches such as the Native American Church. ."
American Indian Religious Freedom Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Interestingly, this is part of the act:
"Whereas the freedom of religion for all people is an inherent right, fundamental to the democratic structure of the United States and is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution;..."


So....I'm correct again, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now that it has been proven that Liberal government dispenses with property rights...... how about the response of that not-so-compassionate fascism of the Liberals to the freedom of speech?




5. Liberals in power makes certain that the freedoms endorsed by the First Amendment are obviated via regulations, fines, and taxes that make said freedoms too expensive for Americans.

From destroying the businesses and livelihoods of any who don't toe the Liberal line.....$135,000 fine and a gag order for the trivial offense of not baking a cake.....



“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion orfreedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interviewwith Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio



"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled thatthe Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This isa brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul


a. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effectivegag orderon the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publiclyabout not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


b. Gag order on Governor Scott Walker's supporters: " The investigation is taking place under Wisconsin's John Doe law, which bars a subpoena's targets from disclosing its contents to anyone but his attorneys. John Doe probes work much like a grand jury, allowing prosecutors to issue subpoenas and conduct searches, while the gag orders leave the targets facing the resources of the state with no way to publicly defend themselves."
Review Outlook Wisconsin Political Speech Raid - WSJ


Home of the free????

You are free to lie, and do so daily here. How much more freedom do you need because anarchy does exist, just not here.

Gee....I searched your post for any example of me lying.....

There is none!

So.....you're the liar, huh?

 

[rightwinger]

Quite a reach from Nazi Germany to 21st Century America

Even a frog in a blender won't prove it

 

[Jack4jill]

Now that it has been proven that Liberal government dispenses with property rights...... how about the response of that not-so-compassionate fascism of the Liberals to the freedom of speech?




5. Liberals in power makes certain that the freedoms endorsed by the First Amendment are obviated via regulations, fines, and taxes that make said freedoms too expensive for Americans.

From destroying the businesses and livelihoods of any who don't toe the Liberal line.....$135,000 fine and a gag order for the trivial offense of not baking a cake.....



“This effectively strips us of all our first amendment rights,” the Kleins, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, which has since closed, wrote on their Facebook page. “According to the state of Oregon we neither have freedom of religion orfreedom of speech.”

The cease and desist came about after Aaron and Melissa Klein participated in an interviewwith Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins. During the interview, Aaron said among other things, “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong.”
Family Gagged Over SSM Cake Ruling Dana Loesch Radio



"“Brad Avakian has been outspoken throughout this case about his intent to ‘rehabilitate’ those whose beliefs do not conform to the state’s ideas,” she told The Daily Signal. “Now he has ruled thatthe Kleins’ simple statement of personal resolve to be true to their faith is unlawful.

This isa brazen attack on every American’s right to freely speak and imposes government orthodoxy on those who do not agree with government sanctioned ideas.”
Oregon Judge places gag order on Christian cake bakers orders them to pay 135 000 Popular Liberty at the Daily Paul


a. "In the ruling, Avakian placed an effectivegag orderon the Kleins, ordering them to“cease and desist” from speaking publiclyabout not wanting to bake cakes for same-sex weddings based on their Christian beliefs."


b. Gag order on Governor Scott Walker's supporters: " The investigation is taking place under Wisconsin's John Doe law, which bars a subpoena's targets from disclosing its contents to anyone but his attorneys. John Doe probes work much like a grand jury, allowing prosecutors to issue subpoenas and conduct searches, while the gag orders leave the targets facing the resources of the state with no way to publicly defend themselves."
Review Outlook Wisconsin Political Speech Raid - WSJ


Home of the free????

You are free to lie, and do so daily here. How much more freedom do you need because anarchy does exist, just not here.

Gee....I searched your post for any example of me lying.....

There is none!

So.....you're the liar, huh?

The lie is that you can't understand a gag order, like what we do to Grand Juries when they are forbidden to discuss what they hear outside of court. I guess they are no longer free, right?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Quite a reach from Nazi Germany to 21st Century America

Even a frog in a blender won't prove it

Yet I've proven everything I said I would.

You Leftists are left to be content with the stupidity you just provided.