Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[beagle9]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

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. The wall is a bad idea, and it will be a waste of money... Sorry.....

If we would just enforce the border, and jail along with fine the American businesses caught working or hiring illegals, the situation would clear up immediately. Yes, build better deterrents or use better technology in areas of the border in need of the correct applications to use, but a blank check or rubber stamp for a wall IMO is just ridiculous knowing what we know now. ENFORCEMENT IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED !!!

 

[beagle9]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

. The wall won't stop it all. We have better ways of fighting the bullcrap, and it needs to be unleashed totally.

 

[P@triot]

I stand with the majority of Americans who don't want their tax dollars wasted on Trump's Folly. 61% is a lot of traitors....

You stand as a complete and total partisan hack. You cheered like hell when Barack Insane Obama was illegally spending trillions just to throw money around. Trying to pretend like you actually care about a paltry $21 billion is pitiful.

You don’t have the backbone or the integrity to admit you desperately want illegal aliens coming here because you hope to get them amnesty and thus vastly increase your voter base. You realize you can’t win clean elections comprised of legal American citizens.

 

[P@triot]

Encircle the entire country then...that makes more sense.

It might come to that. But rational, reasonable people take limited resources and apply them where they are most needed. If we were being invaded by Canadians, then I would be advocating for a wall to the north. But right now, the problem is Mexico.

 

[P@triot]

All the wall is going to do is make fruitpickers htichhike to the oceans and rent boats to come here.

That makes their journey much harder and thus less likely for them to succeed. That’s the entire idea.

 

[P@triot]

Over 60% of Americans in a PEW poll oppose the wall. You RW minorities are not the majority.

Yeah...those same “polls” said Hitlery Clinton would win in a “landslide”. There is a reason Donald Trump sits in the White House this evening and Republicans control all levels of government coast-to-coast. This is exactly what the American people want.

 

[P@triot]

Illegals can't vote stupid...who told you they do?

Dead people can’t vote either...but Dumbocrats make sure they do anyway.

 

[Humorme]

What was me? Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

See what I mean? What did Trump propose be put up before congress? What was his bill? Don’t think there was. All he said was deport the illegals and build a wall kill obama care. He went left on all three. But back to Trumpnesty, trump said no amnesty, you all said he wouldn’t, y’all shouted people down that pointed out that Trump has always been an advocate for amnesty, yet here you, specifically, YOU are carrying water for Trumps amnesty plan. At leas be honest. Or just say **** some more.

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

And there you go. At least be big enough to admit that you got taken. That your anti Obama, your anti swamp savior turned out to be just another reptile preaching amnesty. After all the preaching here you are having to defend amnesty. Sad! Bigly!

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

 

[bripat9643]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

. The wall is a bad idea, and it will be a waste of money... Sorry.....

If we would just enforce the border, and jail along with fine the American businesses caught working or hiring illegals, the situation would clear up immediately. Yes, build better deterrents or use better technology in areas of the border in need of the correct applications to use, but a blank check or rubber stamp for a wall IMO is just ridiculous knowing what we know now. ENFORCEMENT IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED !!!

Horseshit. It's the security measure that gives the most bang for the buck. That's why 60 countries have built similar walls. Everything dumbasses like you say about the wall is just plain not true, and that's easy to prove. I have proved it hundreds of times already in this forum.

There are no better "deterents" than the wall. If going after employers worked, then why do we have this flood of illegals in the country? It's already illegal for employers to hire illegals. As always, you propose solutions that have been proven not to work because they depend on scumbag politicians to do their jobs. The wall doesn't depend on politicians to work. That's the beauty of it and the reason lying open-borders weasels like you are so hostile to it.

How is paying for the wall anymore of a "blank check" than paying for Obama's healthcare boondoggle? Since when is paying for things giving them a "blank check?" That's just one of those labels leftwingers like to throw around innappropiately, like "extreme." They use it because it polls well with the leftwing imbeciles, not because it means anything.

You can repeat your horseshit 1000 times, and I'll knock it down 1000 times.

 

[bripat9643]

All the wall is going to do is make fruitpickers htichhike to the oceans and rent boats to come here.

That makes their journey much harder and thus less likely for them to succeed. That’s the entire idea.

This imbecile doesn't seem to realize that we have a coast gaurd for a reason.

 

[P@triot]

Not worried about the wall since Mexico is paying for it. If they don't then no wall.

Another idiot who thinks he tells the Trump administration what to do.

You're the idiot. Trump works for us....we don't work for him. The presidency is not a monarchy you petulant shrew.

Wow...someone has done a 180° pivot. You were adamant that Barack Insane Obama had unlimited power when he was in office. Not once did you ever declare that he worked for the American people.

 

[P@triot]

Well, Trump just seems to be another Ronald Reagan, grant Amnesty to millions.

The Republicans love Reagan though, not very bright people, a party of British yokels who liter the Southern states, and the Mid-West.

Wtf? I can't believe you said something I actually agree with.

Not suprsing...idiot totalitarian fascists normally do see eye-to-eye for a while (until the power intoxicates everyone and they turn on each other like rapid dogs).

 

[bripat9643]

See what I mean? What did Trump propose be put up before congress? What was his bill? Don’t think there was. All he said was deport the illegals and build a wall kill obama care. He went left on all three. But back to Trumpnesty, trump said no amnesty, you all said he wouldn’t, y’all shouted people down that pointed out that Trump has always been an advocate for amnesty, yet here you, specifically, YOU are carrying water for Trumps amnesty plan. At leas be honest. Or just say **** some more.

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

And there you go. At least be big enough to admit that you got taken. That your anti Obama, your anti swamp savior turned out to be just another reptile preaching amnesty. After all the preaching here you are having to defend amnesty. Sad! Bigly!

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

 

[P@triot]

I'm not pro illegal immigration but the price of vegetables and fruits could go through the roof without that cheap labor.

So what? Cheap produce isn’t an excuse to violate the law. Cheap produce also isn’t an excuse to exploit people. For ****’s sake - what is wrong with you?!?

 

[bripat9643]

I'm not pro illegal immigration but the price of vegetables and fruits could go through the roof without that cheap labor.

So what? Cheap produce isn’t an excuse to violate the law. Cheap produce also isn’t an excuse to exploit people. For ****’s sake - what is wrong with you?!?

You got to laugh when these leftwing idiots admit they were willing to exploit poor people so they can have a cheap salad.

 

[P@triot]

Not caring about spending coupled with revenue cutting tax breaks is why our national deficit and debt keeps growing.

President Trump and the Republican Congress have already drastically reduced spending (long before the tax cuts were passed). And President Trump has a much smaller deficit in his first year than Barack Insane Obama had in his first year.

 

[P@triot]

I'm not pro illegal immigration but the price of vegetables and fruits could go through the roof without that cheap labor.

So what? Cheap produce isn’t an excuse to violate the law. Cheap produce also isn’t an excuse to exploit people. For ****’s sake - what is wrong with you?!?

You got to laugh when these leftwing idiots admit they were willing to exploit poor people so they can have a cheap salad.

Well...considering most of them are parasites who mooch off of society...it’s not surprising that they are all about getting stuff cheap at the expense of others.

 

[P@triot]

Not caring about spending coupled with revenue cutting tax breaks is why our national deficit and debt keeps growing.

Not caring about people being horribly exploited so you can get cheap lettuce is why you are a total tool and a horrible person.

 

[beagle9]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

. The wall is a bad idea, and it will be a waste of money... Sorry.....

If we would just enforce the border, and jail along with fine the American businesses caught working or hiring illegals, the situation would clear up immediately. Yes, build better deterrents or use better technology in areas of the border in need of the correct applications to use, but a blank check or rubber stamp for a wall IMO is just ridiculous knowing what we know now. ENFORCEMENT IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED !!!

Horseshit. It's the security measure that gives the most bang for the buck. That's why 60 countries have built similar walls. Everything dumbasses like you say about the wall is just plain not true, and that's easy to prove. I have proved it hundreds of times already in this forum.

There are no better "deterents" than the wall. If going after employers worked, then why do we have this flood of illegals in the country? It's already illegal for employers to hire illegals. As always, you propose solutions that have been proven not to work because they depend on scumbag politicians to do their jobs. The wall doesn't depend on politicians to work. That's the beauty of it and the reason lying open-borders weasels like you are so hostile to it.

How is paying for the wall anymore of a "blank check" than paying for Obama's healthcare boondoggle? Since when is paying for things giving them a "blank check?" That's just one of those labels leftwingers like to throw around innappropiately, like "extreme." They use it because it polls well with the leftwing imbeciles, not because it means anything.

You can repeat your horseshit 1000 times, and I'll knock it down 1000 times.

Bullcrap, and you are crazy if you think that employers have been abiding by the federal laws or if you think that they haven't figured out how to get around the laws in order to employee the illegals vis a vis through contractors or actually setting them up as independent contractors who then come to work on their jobs/job sites without being directly tied to them.

I ask you, how does million's of illegals sustain themselves here without working ? Easy -- They don't !!!!

Just like Trump said, the wall basically will be established in some areas of need, along with upgrading or repairing existing barriers in need, applying technology where needed, and placing man power where needed.

He is to ensure a full enforcement of the border, but just as he ran around carrying on about how much bowing (the aircraft manufacturer), who wanted to charge the government for new aircraft a huge amount of money, and then him re-negotiating those bids, then shouldn't it be that the American taxpayers can also question the price of this so called wall, it's implementation of, it's effectiveness, and it's design ???

Shouldn't the American taxpayers expect total transparency on the cost, effectiveness, plan, allocation of resources, enforcement, type of enforcement, and on the dealings with those employers inside this country who are a huge draw in the whole problem, and who have been breaking the law ??

Shouldn't the American taxpayers get a better plan, along with enforcement, and a long term cost analysis, and the effectiveness of it all laid out to them in a very thorough way by the administration, instead of what we got with the ACA in which you spoke about in your post ?

To speak in this way is somehow liberal or etc in your book ??

Where did you get that I'm for open borders as you claimed ?? Are you lying out of desperation now ?? Why do you fear American's wanting transparency out of the Trump administration ??

 

[beagle9]

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

And there you go. At least be big enough to admit that you got taken. That your anti Obama, your anti swamp savior turned out to be just another reptile preaching amnesty. After all the preaching here you are having to defend amnesty. Sad! Bigly!

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.